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[Mystic_Rhythms]

Hi all-

I had a very interesting conversation with my RV instructor whilest driving home in the gridlock...  We were talking about immediatly rewarding the sub once feedback is given for a target well done, in order to "train" the sub a la pavlovs doggie to give you good data.

#1 question- what do you think about that?  Sounds like a brilliant idea to me, I never thought of it before and am kicking myself now for not...

#2 question- What positive ways can you think of for rewarding your sub like that?  Please keep the sex/drugs/rock and roll to a minimum... All joking aside I am very genuinly interested in ideas here.  

That whole concept was my mind blowing obvious concept (at least to me) for the day. Any takers to crush it?  

MR

[waterway]

...all joking aside... I have heard of little bits of candy being used as a reward by serious RVers.

But what about sweets rewards the subconscious?  Does the brain like the sugar?  Is it related to primary and secondary re-inforcers a la behaviorism?  If the subconscious merely likes sensory pleasure, or it desires something to increase its genetic potential, why wouldn't sex be more effective as a reward?  

Help me understand this.  Its a good question MR has asked.

[energycritter]

Can you intend thoughts of good esteem to the SC. I guess I am just figuring that the SC would be happy to see you think towards it with thoughs and feelings of reward by taking on a type of intent that gives the SC credit and appreciation internally. Kind of an afirmation thing, done using internal dialog and talking to your SC inside.

As far as the sex, that would seem to need to be very romantic foreplay that gave a deep internal, even SC reward and not a body experience exclusivly.  

good question.....

BC the EC

[waterway]

EC,

I use affirmations a lot... I mean a few times during the day with our without RV involved, in an effort to.... well, to be nice to my subconscious and to feel better over-all.  So I believe the subconscious does get "rewards" from affirmation, security and competent conscious cognition... hey, say that three times fast....

......as for sex.... I get the feeling that many people see the subconscious as synonymous with "soul" or some higher being.... or as being associated primarily with self-concept or emotions.  In that case, I would see how sexual interaction would reward the subconscious if it contained "meaning", love, caring, and some spiritual sharing.  All those things are wonderful, sure.

But others believe the subconscious is more like Freuds idea of the "Id", a childlike primitive glob of urges that really is primarily interested in pleasure.  

Since we are talking about rewards, we kinda should address this difference...

So what do you all think?  If you agree more with one than the other, how do you explain the evidence for the one you don't subscribe to?  Can they be mixed?  

So, what makes something a reward to the subconscious?

[mindchild]

Boy, here is another wonderful, thought provoking thread  .  I love this!

Maybe we can't understand entirely what motivates the subconscious, maybe each of us will have to try rewarding ours and find out what works (and report back to the group, of course   )

Love is a powerful motivator anyway.  Sex can certainly be interpreted as love in the subconscious, depending on the person and the partner of course.  I think perhaps embracing the subconscious with gratitude can feel pretty good, maybe that's a good reward.   The subconscious is us anyway, so if it feels deeply wonderful to the conscious thought, perhaps it is also the case subconsciously.

Laurie

[Mystic_Rhythms]

Yeah, sure, sex is certainly a good reward.  But that in itself is a bad conditioning habit.

For instance... you would be reverse conditioning yourself to expect sex after RV.  Uhh... yeah.  Not good, IMO.  I would want to keep them more sperate.

Focusing intent on being grateful though, that is a good idea.  I wonder if thats all it takes...

Does anyone out there do this?  The idea sprung from the "martini feedback" idea in Joe Ms stargate chronicles.

MR

[energycritter]

Similar to horse whispering, I would agree that the best way would be in the intent and thereby a type of SC whispering. Simple internal dialog that ministers affirmation and acceptence to the SC could help the SC join up (HW term) with the C.

Do those that have strong and magnificent image streaming experiences ever realize an internal dialog that draws on the SC to render images and whatnot? I have not played with it enough to know for myself.

I do know that my wife can image stream while having a conversation with me. She had health issues as a child and most of her life. The health issues caused her to extremely limit her physical activity. Maybe, over time, she intended affirmations to her SC while she sat alone and other kids ran around in the noise of their normal life. Maybe, these times alone and quit lended themselves to her creating a dialog that her C mind whispered to her SC mind in someway. BY whisper, I do not mean the soft voice, I mean a silent posture, that contains a silent dialog of draw unto self, so to speak.

I will ask her to see if she can recognize such a dialog or any type of intent that facilitates her SC and C joining.

BC the EC

[energycritter]

Possibly, just maybe....the intent to provide more time for the SC to play is reward enough for the SC.

This could be done by deliberately meditating more, image streaming more, RV practice more....ans so on...

Giving of time could be a reward to the SC.

BC the EC

[waterway]

Yes, time and attention would be a reward... but does it behaviorly modify the subconscious into being more productive in the RV session?  Its like rewarding your muscles with more exercise.  Of course that is gonna increase productivity.

Folks suggest that giving themselves candy immediately after RV increases the hit rate.  This is above and beyond the normal reward that occurs from practice, which is gonna occur if you practice.... see the difference?

And yes, we don't want sex or any other reward to be a crutch.  Maybe the issue isn't "Should we reward our subconscious if it can be rewarded?" but instead we should wonder about "What and  how is the subconscious rewarded?" since this will shed some light on the dynamics of the whole process.

What do you think?

-ww

[energycritter]

My wife just mentioned that she feels like she actually gives the SC mind the time to be silent or speak....being conscious of its need for time and place in thought seems to be what she has done as a deliberate embrace of the SC. Now, does that reward it...?

She did want me to mention that chocolate helps everything, the beter the chocolate, the more psi she becomes...

Is reward or affirmation needed to motivate the SC to perform better, maybe the results of any reward system is nothing more than the motivation of the C mind to shut up and stop making so much noise that interfers with the SC mind. Maybe the SC mind desires nothing from us as a reward other than time to exist and be recognized by the conscious mind as being the one that knows it all.

So, maybe, the reward is for the C mind to motivate it to play nice and stop hogging the surface of thought, and then the SC can just be, without any pretence of pleasure or contentment.

BC the EC