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[Tropicana]

Fire and Energy!!  Exite the passions...Ha!  Mystic- River! "FLOW LIKE WATER" says, Bruce Lee
Great thoughts...

"Later I came to theorize (not originally, just a first for me) that everything that could be, was.  My reality certainly did reflect me, however, what it reflected is what I have chosen to experience."-

"That allowed me to model it in my brain where I was definitely 100% responsible for my reality, and yet, I was not marginalizing the independent reality of others.  Others, anything other, is simultaneously totally independent and totally self-created... if you follow the logic above.  They are what they choose to be.  But the fact that they ARE is what WE have chosen to be."-

My Father -in-law, who is a very dear and precious man of 78 years old would agree with these statements. I do as well.  When I tell him how great and wonderful things are or how I need help with things emotionally he assures me that I have chosen this "experience."
For me the concept of the "ground of being" is a very  interesting issue to life and our connections or lack of connection.  To "be" or use the concept of  "they are " or "we are" is a great way to discribe things. I like Joe McMoneagle's openness and feedom of thought.
The Ideas of "I am that,  I am"  come to mind. Or, "I wil be what I will be" Martin Buber's I and Thou, also come to mind. The Japanese and eastern ideas of "nothingness" and D.T. Suzuki's "Isness" also flow in that direction along with Meister Eckhart's Mysticism and a number of great writers.  Dr. Alan Wolf and Dr.Dean Radin.
How full life seems with all these "connections" or "sparks" if you will.
Multiple "Free wills" would blow Calvin's mind...yet Calvin has his place....Pun intended if you associate the religious writer with the cartoon !!!

I love the Universalist victorian writer George MacDonald, Love and Farie Tales!  Love has to me always been something of an "action"  that subjective "sting" or "flame" of  passionate "influence" in feeling that drives one to heroism or dispair or snuggling the feet close together under the covers.  Yes, it "is" , but, a pardon, is it "nothing?"  Remote Influence-Far removed yet touching the nature of what it means to "be"? Love reflected or Projected?  Is it a "prediction" or a "cause" ?  How fine a subject LIZ!
Thank you![

[Tropicana]

The Joy of Fishes

Chuang Tzu and Hui Tzu
were crossing Hao river
By the dam.

Chuang said:
"See how free  
The Fishes leap and dart:
That is their happiness."

Hui replied:
"Since you are not a fish
How do you know
What makes fishes happy?"

Chuang siad:
"Since you are not I
How can you possibly know
That I do not know
What makes fishes happy?"

Hui replied:
"If I, not being you,
Cannot know what you know
It follows that you
Not being a fish
Cannot know what they know."

Chuang said:
"Wait a minute!
Let us get back
To the original question.
What you asked me was
"How do you know
"What makes fishes happy?"
From the terms of your question
You evidently know I know
What makes fishes happy.

" I know the joy of the fishes
In the river
Through my own joy, as I go walking
Along the same river."

In some strange way I think this applies to our conversation....I think I will take a walk and enjoy the influence....REMOTELY OF COURSE!

[River]

Hi everyone,

this is a great old discussion we've got happening.

Let me throw in another idea just to complicate matters.  

What if other people are us........literally.

Think of us as the tips of fingers. We look across the gap between us and think, "Wow, I'm nothing like that thick old thumb yet when I move I affect it some how. Does it have it's own free will or am I the sole influence on it's life?"

And all the while none of the fingers realize that they are part of the one hand that is in fact influenceing how they all act, yet that hand is part of an arm which controls the hand and the arm is part of...................and on it goes.

Just thinking...........

River/Liz

[Wizard]

Hi Liz

OH YES! i fully support your last post.

:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Allen
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http://www.deepawareness.com

[Wizard]

"..Does anyone think that unconditional love would play a part? .."

Hi energycritter


First - your world mirrors your intentions back at you so what you send out from within will be projected  back to you.

project unconditional love and soon you will be surrounded with it.

Second - love and happiness emits the highest vibration rates that are needed to RI reality more powerfully.

love isnt just for mothers and doughrers its also for fathers and sons. :-) its for everyone.

love isnt just a dream made in movies thats what many low entities wants you to belive TV and society offen programs our mind to go in the wrong way...

love is real if you know how to find her!

Free your Mind

Best Wishes
Allen
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http://www.deepawareness.com

[Tropicana]

 ::)I think I have been influenced to move to another board.
I think speaking of unconditional love in terms of influence is getting a bit to religious for me.  Next thing you know we start talking Jesus and the warm fuzzy world of connection to the comic God of...Then comes the religious thumping of the chest etc.  A quote here, a quote there and for me the discription of how reality or the projection of reality is lost to religious jargon.
I did at one time frequent a site that had all kinds of this "Remote influencing" going on.
But , please excuse me , that kind of stuff gives me an extreme stomach ache.  If you want to love something unconditionally do it by your actions and mental processes directed to those around you but don't seek to use RI to your own agenda or religious affiliation.  If that is the indication here then I have to give myself the boot!

[Fire]

I'm not a fuzzy-love sort myself frankly.  I agree this thread sort of verged off into never-never land LOL.   But there are I think nearly 100 people registered now, though the complex is new so it will continue to grow slowly over the next few months.  The people here come in all sorts.  As many your type as anybody else's I imagine.  Threads, like life, take different turns and sometimes you decide you just don't want to follow one anymore.  There are several boards and several threads and if one isn't your style, there are surely others.

PS  On the top bar with the little icons, if you click on 'notification', you can take OFF notification for any thread you're no longer interested in following.

Fire

[Tropicana]

Thanks, but I will stay on thread.  
I just want to get back to the questions posed by Liz of Prediction or Causation in Remote influencing.
Of course if someone wishes to start a new topic they can.  I also thought there was a couple of interesting statements made about multiple free wills that were made.  
I would like to hear more on this by those who have thought about the subject of free will and influencing.
RV does tend to warp the issue of free will as well as religious points of view does it not?
There is a book on Super String Theory that I have that postulates many different demensions co-existing at the same time.   The idea of many lives or lifetimes being lived at the same time is kinda mind boggling.  Not to mention the influence it could have on all of us.
In light also of my own above response.  How much influence is self contained or oriented  and how much is outside influence coming from someone or something else including, dreams or connective realities from other demensions?  How much is just an archetypical representation?
My father in law tends to the idea that we live out archetypes that we have somehow chosen to experience and so are influenced by those things that we wish to live out. Any thoughts?  In this way it is both predictive and caused by us.

[PJ]

Tropicana,

Seth once said something about, having another 'aspect of us' who 'died' in their physical life would sometimes 'return energy to us'.  I remember that got me thinking.  I'd had experiences where I finally realized that I was being heavily 'sparked' by a sort of ... evolutionary boundary (consciousness wise) that another aspect of me had clearly crossed, and I seemed to be getting something akin to "side effects" in my own life, from it (good ones for the most part).

A friend of mine had a fascinating dream recently that related to how any given thing in this reality was something else in another reality, and maybe we could 'break the code' on that.  I find that a really intriguing idea.  It kind of ties into the idea of multiple realities and perhaps multiple selves.

How do we influence ourselves--how does our higher self influence us (assuming that is a singular thing)?  How does our future self influence us?  I'm not sure we can really divide these things... how would we?

PJ

[River]

Hi PJ,

I'll make a new topic about that dream I had. It would be interesting to see if others have had similar dreams.

Cheers Liz

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