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[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

     This topic is a spin off the RV Teachers topic.

I am having difficulty finding out what the various techniques are for gathering more data.  How or what do you do to go beyond your present level of acquiring data?

If you want to know if something is manmade or natural or biological...is there a way of getting this particular info?

If you wanted to know if the target was a mountain, or a structure, or a human being...what is the technique for doing this?

My list goes on....but you have the idea.  I for one would greatly appreciate any information that you have about techniques.  I am stuck  AND  I WANNA MOVE FORWARD      

or maybe there are some links that could be posted with this info??  

[energycritter]

I am curious if it is possible to know if poeple are envolved, as opposed to a mountain or building, by considering emotions. If emotions are appearant, would that help to make it evident that humans or life forms are part of the target? OR, maybe the mountains and buildings carry an emotional feel too....? Just curious....

BC the EC

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

my experience so far with human emotions has been this:
On the target that was a sculpture: I picked up on the emotional qualties of the artists life during the time of his creation. In the case, picking up the human was okay, but he wasn't the target.

On the target we did for Grillflame - I  picked up that the target could create anxiety in people. This target wasn't human.

I have picked up people as being part of a crowd around the target.

I have picked up that this is a target people would go to or are drawn to.

I have picked up that the target was in populated areas.

These examples show that I can tune into there being people, but in all these cases, none of the targets were people.

In my reading, I have come across statements that refer to techniques to use  to identify specific aspects of the targets. Another statement would be 'since this was a building, I wouldn't have used xyz method as my approach but I didn't know this while doing the session so how could I have known which methods to use.  Lots of statements about these techniques, but never any specifics.

So it's the little secret box of tricks that I want to learn.

[Scott]

Have you read any of the free methods?  They basically boil down to one of two methodologies - CRV and its derivatives or ERV or a combination.  With ERV you know it's a building if you see or sense a building or walls, etc.

A couple of you who are new to RV are clearly in the mode of gathering information, which is a fine thing.  But there really isn't that much information to gather - if there's a secret box of techniques, it's well kept.  Even as I hear of people's internal mentations with ERV, it unfortunately appears that the information arrives through a limited set of mechanisms.  I gave a pretty thorough accounting of my own in the thread "What one thing has improved your RV the most?"  Success really does seem to derive from practice and innate ability.  If you want to learn how to RV, you need to spend time doing a bunch of blind sessions.  You might want to consider how you prioritize your time if learning to RV is something you want to do.

How many sessions a week are you actually doing now?  

Scott

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

How many sessions a week are you actually doing now?  

a fair question.  Currently, I am doing 2-3 a week. When not doing an actual RV target, I do other things such as intuitive readingsand meditate which uses the same senses.  So, everyday I am doing something.

    I have read the manuals you mentioned. I have some understand problems with the later phases but continue to try and teach myself.

[energycritter]

Can innate ability be educated (to draw out what is already within) from within those that are not initially considered innately tallented?

Some poeple may not be considered innately tallented at first, until they play with techniques that are contained in a box of secrets as well as through a lot of practice.

Do any of the innately tallented have ways that they consider to have been their secret to getting good enough to now be considered innately tallented.

I think everyone can do RV, it just takes proper internal alignment of latent mechanisms that exist in all of us. This internal alignment seems to be the desired secret that may or may not applly to all, who learn it, but, we all need to determine for ourselves (tenthousandroads) what does need to be tweaked internally to make the results seem almost as if it is a innate ability.

just babbling.....

BC the EC

[wizopeva]

pdPJ, there is no limit to what kinds of info you can get, but often, you might notice that certain people are stronger in some areas and others in others.  For instance, some are better at sketching, others at getting people, others at technology, etc.  But still, anyone can get any type of info.  You never know what wil come in.   The only limit I can think of might be that your conscious mind must be able to comprehend the info enough to process it in the first place.  

It's been my experience that the longer one rvs, the less of a prob some of these issues become.  For instance, you might first be drawing box shapes and get a feeling of it being artificial.  A year later into practice, the same target might yield a feeling that it is a building.  I don't know of any magical technique for that other than the fact that practice  makes your insights better.   Things start to come into a more cohesive whole during the sessions and you just know what things are a lot better than you used to.  

But there are some things you can do to help yourself.  Like in the session, you can pick out a sketch you feel good about and probe on it with a pen and see what impressions it gives you.  Write those down.  Then try probing in space around any things you have sketched and see what impressions you get and write those down.  Another thing you can do is to pick out an impression in your session that was interesting to you and ask for more description on it.  OR maybe if you were curious about something in the session, explore that further.  

If you run out of things to think about, expore the senses for target impressions, like sight, smell, touch, sound.  Imagine yourself reaching out to touch the target.  How does it feel?  What is it's weight?  What is it's shape?  What is it's size?  WHat is around it?  Once you are further along in the session, you might try asking yourself some of the more complex questions like 'purpose?'  In other words, what is the purpose of the target?  If it's grass, it's purpose might be to be sat on or to grow.  Other questions I sometimes ask myself at the end of the session are, "Thing analyst most wants to know about target."  (good for ops targets)  Another is 'Most significant aspect of target not yet discussed'  If there were any people or structures at the target, I might want to explore those things further.  Like a building or any hollow object, I might want to direct myself to go inside the object and see what impressions I get.  Also, there are movement commands like tell yourself to move above the target and look down or move to the other side and see if from that angle.  Even if the target looks the same for the new angle, hey that's info too.  All these kinds of things help you to explore more of the target and make it less likely that you'll leave something out.  
-E

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

Thanks so much Eva !  I really found your information helpful  

Jommies is doing the happy dance !!    

[Don_Williams]

Eva,
Wow!  That was an excellent reply!  It's a hard question.  All the answers are found internally in how the RVer approaches the target.  Lots of little tricks that you mentioned seem to only be learned over time and with lots of practice.  When I read the original question, I started to reply and then I read your post and realized you had said it all and said it much better than I could have.

Like you said, the longer one RVs, the less of a problem these issues become.  So much of RV changes over time and with practice that it's always seemed to me that one day you just realize you are operating at a much higher level.  

There was a time - a couple years ago - when I was steadily RVing 2-3 targets a day for months on end.  I was even RVing on weekends, lol.  I was also really paying attention when I got feedback, looking at what I had missed, what I got right, and how I had made mistakes - changing original perceptions into things that "made more sense" - (of course, trying to make the information make sense caused me to make the mistakes)  

I plugged along, RVing as often as I could.  One day I suddenly realized I was getting a lot more information and a lot different information.  Suddenly (it seemed sudden anyway) I was getting a lot of complex conceptual and emotional information, stuff that had to do with the factors and causes behind - or that led up to - the target I was working.  The whole experience of RVing had changed!

A couple months ago I was doing this again, RVing all the time.  I actually did way too much and started getting burned out.  But the same thing happened again.  I sort of catapulted to a new level.  My hit/miss rate changed quite a bit for the better, but what really changed was the kind of data I was getting!  Then, after I took a 3 week lay off from RV, I seemed to have dropped back a little.  I was still better than before but not quite as good as I had been.

I think RV is a lot like anything.  If you just immerse yourself in it as much as your life allows, you steadily improve a lot faster than if you treat it as just a hobby.  The more you think about it, read about it, write about it, and of course do it - the better you get.  I've noticed too that what I seem to be good at changes over time.  For short periods I'm very good at perceiving people in the target site.  Other times I'm good at perceiving locations on a state or regional scale but I can't perceive people at all.

I think the real trick is not just the quantity of practice but really the *quality* - like working on all the tips you mentioned while you're in a session, especially directing yourself to sense for different things and giving yourself movement exercises within the target area.  The tips you gave sounded like you've started practicing your own individual synthesis of CRV and ERV.  Have you?  Thanks for that great post, Eva.  You made me want to immediately work a target, lol!
Best regards,
Don

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

I have read this 3 times now Eva....thank you so much for taking the time to post all of that.

This, along with a few other things you've said have made me see that I am doing just fine and this makes me happy with where I am. I know there is more and in time, I will learn that also.