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[Dick]

In the masking/entrainment thread "polka dot puh jammies" ( a three star poster) asked "Why" when I stated that "target talk" is a no - no among serious remote viewers.

Saddam Hussein is the news. Saddam Hussein would make a great target. Saddam Hussein's whereabouts are very important and probably ought to be the next operational target tasking. Let's talk about Saddam Hussein and how remote viewing can find him.

Now, here's an operational target ID. Try to work it without thinking of Saddam Hussein.  Get the picture?

And it goes beyond the "don't think about pink elephants" aspect.

People who remote view consistently, develop another skill called "tagging."  On many instances in the HRVG classroom Glenn will bring  an envelope with a target ID to class, and someone in the class will blurt something out directly related to the target. They "tagged" that night's target.

Target talk is like farting in front of the Queen. If you are an experienced remote viewer you don't do it.

Polka dot Puh Jammies... what RV training have you had? How many sessions have you done?  Is any of your work published somewhere? (Just want to know who is taking part in this discussion.)

Aloha

Dick

[PJ]

... because so few have the right to have an opinion? So you want a resume'?

Can't someone just have discussion on a topic--and ask an honest question--without providing that?

How come you ask this of pdPJ but not of Savin (I do recall you saying you had no idea of its real identity)?

Should everyone be required to provide not just a name/alias, email, and discussion, but some kind of RV-Qualifications-Registration to converse?

That's an unspoken (but oft-demanded unless someone's agreeing) requirement on your board, Dick--but not on TKR.  We welcome anyone interested in RV, regardless of whether they
(a) have official training,
(b) have chosen to put their work online,
(c) have been involved for 1 day/month/year/lifetime, or
(d) choose to share any of that info with us.

Yes, I realize your question alone did not infer 'class distinction' in RV, but your history of communication online does, so it's tough not to read that into it.  Maybe I'm just oversensitive.  But I don't want anybody to feel like they need to live up to someone else's standards of qualifications to have a discussion, and the only way to enforce that environ is to make issues like 'RV Credentials' basically moot: we are all in this together, at whatever level of experience, or training, that we work, and the primary challenge in RV is about the self (not comparison to others) anyway.

Can't we let the part about proving oneself (I notice you commented on this on another topic/board as well) go?

PJ

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

"polka dot puh jammies" ( a three star poster      )

Polka dot Puh Jammies... what RV training have you had? How many sessions have you done?  Is any of your work published somewhere? (Just want to know who is taking part in this discussion.)

Interesting to say the least....

    As you have made it your business to know, I am a 3 star poster with over 200 postings. What training have I had, how many sessins, am I published...who am I ??

    I suggest that you read all of those 200 postings and you will be able to answer your questions and learn even more.

    It may surprise you, but I'm actually allowed to be here    I am allowed to ask whatever questions I need to ask within the topics determined by the wizops.
I am allowed to be curious enough to ask questions about whatever it is I need more information on for either more or fuller knowledge or clarity for better understanding.  I believe these qualities are known as parts of intelligence.

    I not only have posted questions to and of the forum but I have also contributed to the forum.  This is also allowed.  I will continue to do so.  

    As my postings increase from the 200 marker and I move from 3 to 4 stars, you will certainly get to know me better.  You will find that I am agreeable, easy to get along with, have a great sense of humor, enjoy people, ask a lot of questions about things that interest me and enjoy helping others. (This is the short list)

 Another clue to who I am....my signature line says" I am more than remotely interested'...
    I see you have 14 postings to date...and even though not so many yet so much has been revealed.  I look forward to meeting the less aggressive and less challenging Dick and making friends with the other more gentle aspects of you.  I don't know how many stars this will take for you, but I'm sure it's within you.

   

Target talk is like farting in front of the Queen. If you are an experienced remote viewer you don't do it.

    Since it's not likely that the Queen is a member of this forum, I'm guessing it's okay with you for TKR to continue existing? If this was an arts & craft forum, talking targets would be inappropriate right?  But since this forum is ALL about remote viewing I think talking about targets fits in just fine    If not here, then where??

    Even in this posting, you are getting a better idea of who you talking with....as well as learning that I don't buckle or even much care when presented with attitudes such as the one created by the orginal posting on this thread.

    I will be around Dick. I'm sure we will bump into each other on many other threads. As you are new to this forum you will likely be reading all the topics eventually....and darned if you aren't going to find a posting of mine in almost all of them ... yup, you guessed it...asking questions!!  

    ....and while I may be guilty of farting in front of the Queen   I am courteous enough to respond to all postings directly related to me or a question being asked of me.... such as I have done here and I hope you will extend me the same courtesy.

    This is not my most favorite way of meeting new people but us both being adults (right?) , I'm sure we can work things out without having to go to the flaming boards

 

[Fire]

On other forums using this software, the number of posts are represented by all kinds of different things.  Fruits and vegetables... chicken legs or steaks... I am wondering what more-funky, creative icon TKR could use besides stars for that post-count icon!

I'm still trying to figure out what being a "three star" poster means, I mean besides the post count, why that would be remotely (no pun intended) relevant in a conversation.  

But I swear, lately, I feel like I am operating from some slightly different reality.  I also think that whatever reality it is, it is about three frequencies removed from Dick's, so it may be that on some level I am completely mis-interpreting everything all for some boneheaded reason of my own.

Actually, several things have happened in the RV/parapsychology field at large lately that frankly are making life seem slightly surreal right now.

I think I'll go water all my eggplant and basil and miniature colored bell peppers.  My garden grounds me. Something had better, lol.

PJ

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

     How about using bandaids or first aid kits ?
.....especially for those who survive the 1st 50 postings  

here is how it could go:

bandaids
firstaid kits
crutches
straight jacket
purple heart    

[Don_Williams]

PdPJ,,
It's fine to talk about targets and different options for targets.  The reasoning Dick is using might be appropriate if we were all working in Intelligence but we're not.  So, not expecting the government to call me on the telephone asking me to locate Hussein any time soon, I feel pretty free to discuss the ins and outs of ways to target him.

You may have noticed that the thread this one was moved from was about exactly what? - targeting!  Even more relevant, it was specifically about substitutung one target for another ("masking") with the intention of keeping this knowledge from the viewer, something Dick says is actively going on at hrvg.   Why it's okay to discuss that and not individual target possibilities like Hussein, I can't fathom.

When my wife, who tasks me most of the time, tells me not to watch the news or read any papers, I infer that she is going to throw a current events-related target into the practice pool.  But she has also done this when she was going to task me operationally for someone local, the subject of the target being in the local newspaper at the time.  She has also told me not to watch the news when she had no intention of tasking me with anything related to current events - she just likes messing with my mind, keeping me on my toes, lol.   A good deal of the time, I'm not even told when the target has to do with applications or not.

So, I've learned not to infer anything.  I know, going into every single session, that it could be a precognitive target in one or more of several different ways, it could be an applications target, a historical one, a picture target, an outbound target, a physical location with pictures and literature as feedback, or it could be something very esoteric thrown in for fun.  I keep my mind open and don't worry about it.  The blinding method we use prevents my tasker from even knowing which target I am working at any particular time.  They are pulled randomly from a pool of already -sealed envelopes containing 30-50 or so targets.

The only person I would NOT discuss target possibilities with is my tasker - if he or she doesn't understand that now that target is not a good one - at least for awhile.

Keep asking questions.  There are *no* dumb questions, remember that.  I wish to God I would have had more people to ask questions of when I began RVing.  Just take every answer with a large grain of salt, no matter who it comes from.  In RV, most of what is passed off as knowledge is really just opinion.  The only answers you can fully trust, ones that will almost always apply to you as an RVer, are those arising from scientific studies of RV and what you learn from your own experience.  But don't ever stop questioning.  :-)

BTW, I'd bet there ARE RVers within the defense establishment who are targeting Hussein.  But one of the most difficult things to RV successfully is a moving target.  Plus, if there's a great deal of similarity between his safe houses, that adds another degree of difficulty.  Probably the best thing to do in this situation is precog RV, trying to perceive where Hussein will be at some point in the future.  That's one possible approach, anyway.  
Best Regards,
Don    

[wizopeva]

I can't see any possible reason why talking targets is a prob here on TKR.  We haven't even starting actually DOING targets yet, so it's hard to frontload something that isn't there, LOL!  And even if we did, people watch the news and guess anyway, so talking of Bin Laden isn't going to frontload them anymore than would life in general.  Besides, I believe HRVG said they don't like to do current events so I can't see how discussing stuff you don't do could be such a big prob.  As for the class blurting target info problem, it seems to me a most simple solution is for the class to do the target immediately and before any chitchat is allowed to occur.  THis would prevent or at least greatly lesson any accidental tagging.  

BTW pdPJ, I think I speak for many of us when I say we've greatly enjoyed the quality of your posts here and I do agree that they go plenty far enough to  demonstrate who you are as a person.
 
-E

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

Thank you Eva .... I appreciate your comments.

I immedately noticed the quality of this board~  and in fact, my very first posting was about this.  I knew it was of the calibur where I could continue to learn and stretch...just what I was looking for.

I am happy to belong to such an endeavor and look forward to all that is yet to be.  

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

Hi Don

    In this situation, it is thinking such as yours that benefits all.

    I agree, that since it's not likely that we will be called upon by any intelligence agency to 'work for them' that looking at and discussing the kinds of methods etc used on these two current events is a great learning tool for us all.

    This is why I was surprised by and needed to better understand Dicks statement....and so I asked.

    I was going to comment on just what you pointed out about in order for this thinking to be carried through, it would require that RVers livie in a bubble .

    You said much of what I was going to say, so there is no need for me to cover it again... I needed to 'take care of business' before I got into more of the discussing.

    I will only say that it looks like you and I will never be presented to the Queen  

   

[Fire]

Hi Don,

So, not expecting the government to call me on the telephone asking me to locate [him] any time soon, I feel pretty free to discuss the ins and outs of ways to target him.

The day the government calls me on the phone about finding a terrorist is the day I get seriously worried for my health and welfare.   LOL.

I know, going into every single session, that it could be a precognitive target in one or more of several different ways, it could be an applications target, a historical one, a picture target, an outbound target, a physical location with pictures and literature as feedback, or it could be something very esoteric thrown in for fun.  I keep my mind open and don't worry about it. The blinding method we use prevents my tasker from even knowing which target I am working at any particular time.  They are pulled randomly from a pool of already -sealed envelopes containing 30-50 or so targets.

Seems to me that is the only way to have a tasker inhouse yet still work double blind, and that whole paragraph is worth quoting.

I wish to God I would have had more people to ask questions of when I began RVing.

Yeah me too.  Lyn really worked OT with me for six months before I even got to training, lol.  Bet he wished he'd had a whole internet to pawn me off on.   He did manage to partly pawn me off on several other intell viewers, who had a bit of mercy on me.

Just take every answer with a large grain of salt, no matter who it comes from.  In RV, most of what is passed off as knowledge is really just opinion.  The only answers you can fully trust, ones that will almost always apply to you as an RVer, are those arising from scientific studies of RV and what you learn from your own experience.

Good response.  

In reality I find that the questions you ask when you begin, though worthy, you eventually find if you'd known something more fundamental, wouldn't even have come up (or could have been figured out).  

And the answers one gets, no matter how great they sound, really don't mean much except on the surface of your brain until you experience something and understand it for yourself.  At which point you don't need anyone else's answer! --but at least you finally understand why they said what they did.

Probably the best thing to do in this situation is precog RV, trying to perceive where [he] will be at some point in the future.

Yeah, though the real need is to have intell on the ground.

pdPJ,

One thing I wanted to mention about a target like this, is that it amounts to a curiosity for most viewers.

Remote Viewing doesn't work well in a vacuum, there needs to be support, not only in the process but in the use of the information and some back&forth that enables retasking and details etc.  

Otherwise, it is just someone sitting there 'tuning in', and they never really know, they just suspect based on their own experience.  And that's what this kind of target amounts to, unless you're employed by the NSA I guess.

As a last note, some viewers are pretty sensitive when newbies or the public ask about targets like this.  There are several reasons.  

One is, there are 1.2 billion interesting things about RV, but most people just wanna know where OBL or SH is. That gets a little exasperating after awhile.

The second is, a lot of people want to hold up this kind of target like, "If RV was real, you'd have found OBL."  Well that's just silly, because no viewer has the on-ground intell support to make that happen.  Even if a viewer DID have the info there'd be few if anybody to give it to who would use it, and even if they caught him, they'd never publicly admit psi was the source!  So it's a totally unfair challenge.  

A lot of viewers hear so much of this kind of thing, that eventually they just kind of knee jerk when someone asks about it.

PJ