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Author Topic: What one thing has improved your RV the most?  (Read 4653 times)
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« on: July 14, 2003, 07:53:32 PM »

Hey all-

The subject speaks for itself- what one thing, be it training, environment, other psi practice- has helped your remote viewing the most?

I recently went through a 2 week period where I practiced not towards accuracy, but speed.  Took my session from 1:15 to about 35 to 45 minutes.  A considerable time savings.  Yet, my accuracy went through the roof!  (comparatively to the older slow sessions)

This can range from anything- meditation, diet, more/less sleep, whatever.  Curious to hear what works for you out there.

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2003, 09:32:34 PM »

Funny you should ask that question. I was only thinking about it this morning.  Smiley

At least once a day I walk along my daughters balancing board. It's a long board about 2" wide that she loves to walk along trying to get to the other end without falling off. (it's only a few inches off the ground)

I had a lot of trouble balancing on it at the beginning until I remember what I'd learnt while learning to water ski.
"Don't worry about what your feet are doing. Just concentrate on where you want to go and leave the rest to your subconscious".

So I applied that knowlege to the balancing board. I could walk up and back without falling off as long as I left the process up to my subconscious and just looked at where I wanted to go.

And every time I walk that board I remember to apply the same idea to RV. I concentrate on the session tag and leave the rest up to my subconscious never worrying about how it's going to come up with the right info.

This little principle saves me from wandering off into 'trying' to get info. I remember to trust my sub will do it without my help.

Weird I know, Grin but it works.

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2003, 10:05:31 PM »

I seem to do much better when I can interest myself more in the process and have fun with it, and worry less about the results.  Worrying about the results seems to have the incongruous result of making the result worse, not better. I get tense and nervous about sticking my neck out.  THen later I end up kicking myself for not letting go with stuff when I was on the right track.  So I try to nuture that sense of innocent curiosity.  

One way that I sometimes help with that when I feel very tense is to tell myself that I won't 'really' do a session, I'll just 'pretend' to do a session.  Of course the process is just about the same but the attitude becomes totally different.  That will usually help me the most to let go for the ideograms when I need it most.  By later in the session, it often wears off, but at least I'm usually on a roll by then.  (sometimes even rolling the right way, hehe!)  
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2003, 07:32:05 AM »

Well, I do better when like as Eva said above, I am not concerned about the outcome.  I'm much better at casual psi than RV as apparently my ego has performance-issue neurosis, LOL!  So the more lighthearted I am about it, generally the better.

Also, about a year ago I started a series of a variety of exercises that I made up.  My sessions were going on for 2 hours, I wasn't getting the data I wanted or enough of it, and I was taking up way too much room in my lab book, these things aren't cheap. Wink  So I started doing exercises, where I have 10-15 minutes and 1 page for data.  Period.  I have a doorway clause that says IF at the moment it's time to stop, I am actively getting data, then I have the option to continue.  But generally, when I hit the bottom of the page or 10-15 minutes, the session is over.  I have a really big, great target pool, so 'wasting' a target isn't an issue.

This not only vastly increased the speed with which I started getting data, but it also made my sessions greatly more succinct paper-wise, and yet the end result did seem to be an improvement in both areas.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2003, 01:43:18 PM »

Well for me two tactics come to mind immediately, and both have been touched upon already.  But as they were both very helpfull to me I'll go ahead and perhaps echo what has been stated already.

The first is not caring about what I got.  I had to do this to keep myself from going insane or ramming my head into a wall in frustration.  When I first began learning RV (TRV in my case) I was using the original set of training tapes produced by Psitech that had Major Dames and Jonina Dourif on them.  In any event the way the targets were set up for the very basic early learning of this you had a 25% chance of hitting a target by simple guessing as you knew going in you were either going to get land, water, a lifeform, or a manmade object.  Well I was demonstrating a real case of psi missing, meaning I was preforming at far below chance, in fact pretty close to zero and I am not kidding.  God, I leaned this stuff slowly.  So to get to my point I said to myself that I was going to use these sessions I was doing to learn the structure completely.  Such that I didn't need the little "cheat sheet" next to me for guidence, such that I wouldn't have to think about what the next step or stage was etc etc.  That way I was able to divorce myself from my concern over missing the target, as my goal was simply to learn the structure and that was the sole purpose of what I was doing.  Now I would love to tell you that instantly I got better...  Well no, but I DID get better eventually and I kept getting better the more I practiced.  Asside from the occasional slump, its been a pretty linear process for me.

The second item that I would say helped me is speed.  It seems counter intuitive that the faster, and seemingly more recklessly one would go would help to get more accurate data.  But it does, at least it has for me and for dozens of fellow TRVers whom I share common targets with and chat about what we are all doing on a regular basis.


The board looks nice, huh..

Congratualtions PJ you've done a good job here, hopefull it will turn into the place you dreamed it would be.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2003, 02:06:38 PM »

The Sound Harmonizing Studio program that I use for my PC

It displays a spiral rotating and changing colors and forms in the monitor with binaural sounds..

It nice to clean your mind from toughts and makes easyier to get to deep alpha state..

So once I have a good meditating state I begin to RV.

One thing to keep your mind free of Bogus Data is to now why your mind thinks of some things, and when It displays AOL pictures in your mind that are only related to anyother stuff youve been doing that day

But I still have much to learn to diferenciate from those "amazing" RV sessions from those "AOL full" sessions Tongue

oh, and the true meaning of symbolic images,etc.. very important too

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2003, 05:01:34 PM »

For me it is anything that I can do to rid myself of performance anxiety. As an oldest child, that seems to be my biggest stumbling block, the desire to please and get the "right" answer. So if I can work around that and develop my "don't care about the outcome" feeling to a good level, I'm better at the session, invariably.

One way I do this is to pretend I'm working a "practice" target instead of an "operational" one. Sometimes it works to pretend I'm 3 years old and just playing with my "mind". This seems to give me the right "attitude" with which to approach the session overall.

I use whatever seems to work in the moment, and I usually keep having to switch tactics from session to session. I work with different CDs or different music, some with white noise, etc.

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2003, 02:50:57 AM »

Hey, this is good stuff.  Lookin' over the earlier posts in this thread, I notice a sort of pattern.  

It seems that activities that get around the conscious, planning, caring, goal-oriented mind seem to help, such as "not caring", hurrying, randomly changing our habits, etc.  

It seems wacky though, since so much of the literature stresses practice, practice, practice, like we are eagerly digging a rut of habit.  But those habits are often just procedures to break patterns.  I guess I am thinking more of CRV, where there is a procedure, a script to follow, but the script includes activities to disorient and dissassociate from the conscious, planning mind's patterns.  

Does anyone else see this?  
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2003, 06:01:18 AM »

You've hit upon a critically important point waterway.

At least IMO.  I believe that beyond the learning from right/wrong data, the *primary* point of practice is to open up and maintain the openness of belief systems.

I feel that our beliefs are gradually worked into flexibility, and kept flexible, by the practice, just like a ballet dancer's muscles are kept limber by the hours of stretching they do every day, rain or shine, whether they're on stage that day or not, whether they're sick or not.

It is the "facile grace" as I call it, that dancers obsessively build.  The talent is something else.  The skill and the techniques and methods are something else.  But the facile grace, which is the foundation for the talent and skill, must be developed and maintained.

Joe (McMoneagle) said in his firedocs interview that psi "talent" was "psychology" -- was the difference between believing it's so, and knowing it's so.  I believe it is the constant practice that creates and establishes new 'patterns' of belief systems.

We've been operating in a culture that does not allow accpetance or overt use of psi, every second, every minute, every hour, every day, week, month, year of our entire life.  That's a whole lot of time invested in establishing a psychological pattern!  

The practice-practice-practice endless emphasis from viewers like Joe is IMO only partly from the feedback being educational; it is mostly for the psychology.

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2003, 08:10:18 AM »

I see what you are saying Fire,

Its been touched on before in other threads here and on other boards.  A person's conscious mind is like a wall that separates RV info from awareness. You can either make cracks in the wall, like people do by distracting their conscious mind by hurrying, trying new things, or "not caring", or they can build a door into the wall like Mr. McMoneagle proposes we do by "knowing RV works"  Our belief system either has to allow for RV, or has to be clobbered/circumvented to get at the RV info.

Since most of us grew up believing RV is impossible, we have to work at pummeling our world views to dust before we can rebuild our belief systems to incorporate RV as part of reality.  Practice, practice, practice will gradually renovate that wall, so that RV becomes assumed, becomes a part of our reality.

These little tricks we dicsuss in this thread help chip away at the old wall that says RV isn't real, so its good to see working ways of making that important change in our reality.
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