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[Fire]

There ain't a viewer out there who hasn't had a really interesting session that turned out to have not a darn thing to do with the target.  The brain-pain of trying to figure out WHY is sometimes funny.  Usually we can track it to AOL Drive and find it in the session.  But sometimes, it just seems like it was a really good session--on a different target.  What's the most offbeat, non-matching data you've ever gotten in a session?

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

yea     sure......like I'm likely to go down this path again ....


.....isn't being in the hall of shame enough    


While initally, it was funny just how bad it was, today, I am actually quite miffed with myself for being so careless....
it was the worst prepared target I've ever presented.  I have no idea what I was thinking when I sent it off into cyber space..... :-/  I have better prepared grocery lists than that target report was.  Sheeeesh  

[Tunde]

Hi Polka

Be greatfull you didnt mistake the Teletubies
for the empire state building  

Its all part of the learning process
embrace your bad as well as good sessions
and learn from them

Peace
Tunde

[Damien]

    Well, maybe the Teletubbies were in the empire statebuilding at the time of the viewing  

                                                     ;)D

[Tunde]

  yeah  and any time soon WMD will be found in Iraq

It was a crap session Damien

Peace,
tunde

[wizopeva]

THose really simple targets seem to be extra fodder for disaster.  I've done the moon several times.  In one session, it was kinda funny cuz the first thing I drew was a perfect circle that matched nicely will the full moon feedback.  But after that came about 17 pages of total garbage.   That was one of my longer sessions too and boy did the info seem to come so easily, LOL!

Another one that I did especially bad on was a wild cat sitting on a log.  There was nothing in the session that seemed to have anything whatsoever to do with that cat.  THe closest thing was an image of a bonsai plant in a pot (if you can call that close, which is really is not).  So that was another stinker.

I'm sure there have been others, but I tend to remember the early stinkers better!    
-E

[Fire]

Well, let's see.  I usually have as much of an issue with just not getting data at all as profoundly screwing it up, but I do that too.

Like the three sessions in a row that all seemed to have the same data (this was weird) that I kept figuring was something like the challenger disaster.  In a pool of nearly 1000, I knew the challenger was in there somewhere, but it seemed weird I'd keep AOL-D on it--the three targets had NOTHING to do with the challenger.  On the next target, I refused ANY data that any relation to the challenger at all (not gonna make THAT mistake again--) and got no data, except a profound sense of grief and sadness that stayed with me for days. THAT one WAS the challenger explosion, LOL! Sigh...

There was the session, and I really thought this was going to be a good one, from beginning to end I had such a clear sense of it. Elevated slightly, stone, a dwelling place for people, but not anymore, long corridors, stone steps, quite a few little details about the steps/corridors/stone, a sense of "being set down in" (like the surrounding structure/etc. was high above), a sudden visual of something that reminded me of some archeological artifact, a gold half-face, top half, where the bottom isn't there, like a mask, that sort of thing.  I didn't know what it was, but it felt fascinating.

Feedback: The windmill farm... the famous one in the book, that Joe got eons ago.  Looks like McMoneagle is not in danger of losing his fame to ME any time soon, ha! ha!

Or the brief exercise session that seemed more like someone talking to me than a session.  Weird stuff:
{inaudibles. can't quite hear the voices.}
a toilet?! - sudden visual
{weird ED> Imagined shooting myself in the head.?!?!}
"You're not going anywhere." A voice
{ED> weird memory of black triangle archetypes, is this session material or something else?}
sort of inaudible but translation is:
"... not really complete. still in progress. still up in the air. It's ok and the plan is working but we're not there yet."
Down, down... falling or moving suddenly down
{total MD/ED for a minute, but can't remember now, body abreaction}
"Come on. Don't fight back. The plan is working fine. Don't be stubborn.  It's ok and it's underway."
{inaudibles}
Exercise end --
Feedback: Three Peaceful swimming ducks on a shining pond.

There was the session where through the whole thing, I felt in motion.  I felt first like something came really fast toward me and lifted me off the ground, throwing me back, I aol'd a weapon result or something. But from then on, I felt a sense of speed, and like I was turning around.  Had major body-abreactions during this target (once in a great while I get those, usually on big disaster targets).  Feedback: a few tract homes in a neighborhood. (?!)

I'm going through my lab books trying to find some unusually bad ones for the thread, lol....

Ok here's another.  And boy why is it the ones MOST wrong are always the most free-flowing data? lol!  -- I was certain, by the end of this target, that I was describing some kind of old vehicle (possibly antique train) parked, a fair-like atmosphere with people everywhere, certain areas fenced off, like a park of sorts, a small boy playing in and out of the thing I thought might be a train car on display.  Feedback: an old photo of some store fronts in europe somewhere.

Go figure!

Fortunately these that are totally wrong, I mean THAT wrong, are rare.

When I have a session problem, it is usually more along the lines of either not really getting data at all, or being too ego-bent in the process and getting frustrated the data isn't flowing better.

PJ

[waterway]

So what's the difference between the sessions where you get usable data, and the "way out" misses?  What variables show up differently?

[wizopeva]

People have looking for telltale signs of stinkerness for a while.  I've yet to hear anyone that has come up with any magic wand to separate wheat from chaff before actually getting feedback.  Many times, it' s the sessions that feel the best that suck the worst.  Most of the time, the viewer's own impressions of the sessions cannot be trusted.  IMO, this is one of the biggest probs in rv that remains to be solved.  RV could be so much more useful if there was a way to tell in advance which data is more accurate.  Currently, the main way is to extrapolate via  past track records of the viewers.
-E

 

[Fire]

Yeah, sometimes a trainer will even advertise that with their method you 'know the difference' between wrong and right data.  All methods--and non-methods--with practice will eventually make it fairly clear to a person in early stages of the session what is more likely to be AOL vs. data, but when it gets into data at any level truly worth having, so far several million and huge efforts in science, using many many methods, have not been able to find anything to tell it apart for sure.  Viewers are notoriously the worst at judging the accuracy of their own viewing.  I think this is because what viewers are really judging is their *experience* -- which is not the same thing at all.

I have only found one small correlate to my own occasional "totally way off base" sessions.  And that is, that when I make a major change in my protocol, usually I'll have at least one session that is so far off base I am just looking at the feedback in disbelief, and feeling like a total dolt.  But I think this is an issue of belief systems, because I find if I stick with the change, that goes away.  It's like my psychology has a hard enough time with the topic; it grudgingly begins to adapt to a certain process; if I change the process, it instantly digs its heels in stubbornly and says 'No!'  But if I just let it slide off me and continue, that resolves.

PJ