Ganzfeld and "levels" of consciousness

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[waterway]

I was speaking with a Ganzfeld researcher the other day, and she commented that she has  noticed in her own work that she can discern "levels" of consciousness during experiments.  In her own experience, she noticed that after the cool-down phase, she gets what she called "stream of consciousness" type stuff, which would include topical stuff related to her recent experience or concerns of that day.  Then after a while, that calms down, and a more subtle flow of information comes that is usually contains PSI info.  

Have other's noticed this pattern in their own efforts?

[Gene]

Hello Waterway,

The pattern you describe is what I would expect in a "typical" CRV type session.  Meaning the longer one is in session the stronger would be the "signal line" contact, with the data becoming more reliable and refined as the session progressed.  At least that is the theory and the way the system is set up to function as I understand it.

Gene Smith

[PJ]

Yes, I'd agree with that.  However, one can entrain themselves to hit a given state of mind rapidly, even almost instantly, such as hypnosis does.  Although the 'time in session = deeper target contact' is true--and sometimes not just for the time reason, but for the experience with that target reason of course--still I think some viewers are able to drop to a level of high proficiency right off, without quite so much time in an interim 'getting there' zone.  I think sometimes that if we get accustomed to it taking X time, or happening after X process, that doesn't mean that it has to; it just means that's what we have accepted for ourselves.

PJ

[T-bone]

Can anyone share a link to where one can purchase a "GOOD" set of Ganzfeld gogles?  I made a set from the traditional ping-pong balls, but they are very uncomfortable.  

Thanks

[shr33m]

Can anyone share a link to where one can purchase a "GOOD" set of Ganzfeld gogles?
Thanks

I got mine from www.toolsforwellness.com some years ago. I'm sure they still carry it.

[waterway]

the bonester penned:
" I made a set from the traditional ping-pong balls, but they are very uncomfortable."   [/b]

hehehe.... been there, done that.   One of the burdens of being frugal (ie cheap) is that so many defenseless ping-pong balls had to be sacrificed in the name of science.  I shoulda just found a place on the web and bought some... which I may do.

I was at the Ganzfeld lab and mentioned how nice the ping-pong ball halves looked.... (which only the king of the nerds would ever do...now that I think about it...) and the Dr. commented on the laborous process of making them, and how highly prized they are.... I was so covetous... it was sad really..... in so many ways....  

[Gene]

Looking at these things:  http://www.toolsforwellness.com/lm131.html I would think that taking a fairly standard pair of safety goggles from home depot, for a few dollars and painting them white etc would give you pretty much the same thing.  If looking for something smaller akin to the pingpong ball type you might try a cheapo pair of the small swim googles that just cover the eyes with the lens painted an appropiate color.

Gene  

[waterway]

I don't know, I am really excited about using ping-pong ball halves.

FYI, do NOT use golf ball halves.  Very uncomfortable.  

I have been playing around with that "Hypnagogic" state, learning to recognize it and shift into it pretty quickly.  We shall see how it pans out with RV efforts.  

[T-bone]

Looking at these things:  http://www.toolsforwellness.com/lm131.html I would think that taking a fairly standard pair of safety goggles from home depot, for a few dollars and painting them white etc would give you pretty much the same thing.  If looking for something smaller akin to the pingpong ball type you might try a cheapo pair of the small swim googles that just cover the eyes with the lens painted an appropiate color. 

I have actual tried that Gene.  The problem I noticed with this and the one at toolsforwellness site is they both have seams that are very noticeable when being used.  They good thing about ping-pong balls is they give a seamless field to you vision.  The problem with them is they don't fit very well without extensive modifications and tend to be very uncomfortable, with sharp edges ect...  What I realy need to find is some OVERSIZED ping-pong balls like 3" in dia.  

Then again, hmm, wait a sec, I could use my old vacume former and make something that way.   Ahh, I love inspiration!

[PJ]

You know what would help the pong balls is that liquid rubber they sell on TV that you can say, dip a tool's handle in, to create a rubber handle on?  You could dip just the cut edge of the ball into the rubber and it would create a little rubber border on it for comfort and fit.  PJ