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« on: March 11, 2007, 11:32:53 PM »

Hello all.  After studying the LearnRV system daily for months, as well as two others which were far more successful, I feel I most post this opinion as to why I feel this system does not work well.  I based this opinion after studying the subject of remote viewing exhaustively for over a year now and learning several different systems. It comes down to three major flaws in the Learn RV system:

1.  Insufficient Site Contact.

2.  Prevention of Mind/Body synchronization

3.  Premature Movement Exercises

To cover flaw number 1 we need to look at Stage 1.  During a typical Stage 1 the viewer will produce and decode somewhere between 2-5 ideograms.  Two being the minimum and five generally being the maximum necessary to achieve initial site contact. However, the LearnRV system restricts the viewer to one ideogram. This is half of the minimum necessary to initiate a successful site contact. This completely hobbles the viewer’s attempts to make contact with all the site elements. Without the minimum of number ideograms there is not a comprehensive enough site contact to keep the viewer from wandering off target and producing sessions full of AOL's and other non-relevant data.

Secondly the viewer is prevented from decoding ideograms.  The purpose of decoding ideograms is to synchronize the mind (our mental language structures) with the conduit that channels the RV data (our body).  Remember that RV is primarily a physical skill which includes: probing, writing, sketching, producing, etc.  Without this "system alignment" the viewers mind will not be able to correctly receive and process the data the body is attempting to deliver it.  

The third and final fatal flaw the viewer encounters is that  of Stage 3 in the LearnRV system. The purpose of S3 is to increase site contact to the point that the aperture is wide enough to begin decoding signal line data during Stage 4. Remember, S4 is the actual remote viewing process.  S 1,2,3 are the "bridges" which allow the viewer to get there initially.  Once S4 is reached movements are used to gain additional information about a site from varying perspectives.   Furthermore, by not using S3 correctly, and executing movements prior to S4, the viewer is prevented from ever doing the RV process correctly and they end up in a loop of premature and pointless movement exercises.  

The entire process described above is very frustrating and not in the least bit productive.  The viewer eventually gives up and blames them self not realizing it was never their fault to begin with.  Why was the system designed this way?  I cannot say for certain.  But it appears to be rigged to fail.  I would suggest that anyone thinking about investing their time, money, and sanity in the efforts known as remote viewing look for another system.  There are some good ones out there, but that is the subject of a different post.  Thanks for reading!

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2007, 03:10:57 AM »

Good review. Wink

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However, the LearnRV system restricts the viewer to one ideogram. This is half of the minimum necessary to initiate a successful site contact.

Well, whats all about the ideograms is the probing. To understand what probing really means someone should read this article from Ingos website:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStoryCh8.html

In short its about inner focus, to move our attention energy to something else, mostly higher focused than we had done in our past life. RV is the process to learn to lead our focus to one point with high degree. In LearnRV, this focus is used like in this western culture: From one point to another without resting anywhere (-> resting on the focus). I can see why Stage 1 is the most important part of RV, the other stages are more something like a shift to lead the information stream to other mind processing grids, one that measure dimensions, one that know about concepts etc.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2007, 03:49:14 AM »

Rvguy, Interesting thoughts.
I just  watched the learnRv tapes.
They are OK-but Ed does seem to breeze thru them first three stages very fast and not realy explaining what each stage dioes very well.

I thought he controlled and communicated with the class very well but it all felt very mixed-up and brief.

The TRV process does have some good points - like the stage3 interpretation of the sketch which is broken down into parts of the site to make it clearer how it all fits together - what goes where. Standard.

I would say if you wanted to learn the methods route then go with as close to the ingo methodology as you can and not a muated form like TRV. Its a shame Pru isnt teaching TDS as this was a very intereting modern appraoch to methods RV.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 09:57:53 PM »

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Ed does seem to breeze thru them first three stages very fast and not realy explaining what each stage dioes very well.


Agreed.  Ed seems to have a hard time articulating his explanations for most of the topics he covers. I thought this was strange for the, "Worlds greatest remote viewing instructor"  Wink


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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 08:49:44 AM »

They are really believing that the LearnRV course is enhanced opposed to CRV:
http://rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?t=2233

Most people don't even understand why RV works at all. And its not how to draw a sketch (freehand or analytical).
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2007, 03:29:56 PM »

If you notice the threads are instantly locked when someone posts anything that imposes on the Dames method.
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2007, 07:47:56 PM »

Does Ed go of on one about aliens for half of the course?
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2007, 04:21:07 AM »

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If you notice the threads are instantly locked when someone posts anything that imposes on the Dames method.


What I have noticed is that even if the method itself has been upgraded, the attitude towards some of those who ask uncomfortable questions is very old fashioned. Slapping people down with sarcasm on a public forum may be satisfying and feel clever and all that, but it's terribly bad for business.
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"In my own case, I employed this experiment mainly in order to seek for the barrier, if any, which divides our knowledge of the past from our knowledge of the future. And the odd thing was that there did not seem to be any such barrier at all."    J W Dunne    from 'An Experiment With Time'
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2007, 01:07:26 PM »

When I first got the set I watched them with great interest. However, now they are on the shelf. Since, you can only get so much out of them.

There's little mention of space aliens directly.

One of the targets was a crop circle in the polar ice.

However, 95% is not about aliens.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 01:32:41 AM »

I was surfing the net and found this:

http://wotu.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=12


Wed, 6 December 2006
Brent Miller: The Horizon Project and Remote Viewing

47 Mb 1Hr 43 min

Maybe this will fill in the gaps. LearnRV was mentioned.

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