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[Daz]

So, again, given that fear of PSI, and other biologically mediated limitations on PSI skills are born in us, how do we get around these restrictions?  Should we?  Can we?

Fear of PSI - my ass!
Its just humans being the fragile stupid creatures we are - wanting to be the centre of the universe and all things - therefore creating a sense of fear.
There are no limitations, there are no restrictions - other than what we self impose by our beliefs.

Daz

[Don]

Fear of PSI - my ass!

LOL!!

But the social fear is, I think, a real phenomenon.  Probably mostly subconscious though.

There are no limitations, there are no restrictions - other than what we self impose by our beliefs.

And despite your protestations above to the contrary, you probably have it too.  The vast majority of our beliefs are subconscious, as are the guiding forces of our everyday behavior - right down to the visual and auditory illusions we create in our minds that "complete" the world for us on a moment-by-moment basis.
Don

[PJ]

My theory is that the ego's 'job' is to maintain our sense of continuous singular identity which requires a constant re-awareness of what we are separate from -- in space, in time, in identity, in energy.

My second theory is that remote viewing by its nature eventually kicks the ass of the ego, which is suddenly trying to span time and space and identity and find a center of balance there, and is so shocked, stressed and ill-equipped for the job, that the side effects are paranoia, messianic delusions and things like that.

One can adapt but then it's like an every day thing of constant re-adaptation every time an experiences changes the larger sense of self in that regard, it's constant adaptation (which a very small % of people seem to be up to successfully pulling off; statistically, just my observation personally, most people who wander into the field, get lost somewhere at the second point. Of course, many were square in the center of that before they found RV!).

I believe that a clean protocol and particularly clear feedback, helps to constantly hammer on the psychology, like keeping the door open to belief. As well as functioning as a kind of "grounding" sorely needed. (This is why I tend to consider bad protocol damaging to viewer development as well as potentially to viewer psychology.)

But, it's like anything else I suspect -- jumping off cliffs is a little nerve racking too but if you did it literally every day you'd develop a lot better "allowance" for it that would better deal with even subconscious levels of fear, at least to a great degree. Regular practice... a big deal.  (Easy to SAY, especially for me, doing other stuff off and on and for a long time right now!)

PJ

[Benton]

Great reply PJ, I agree with all you said.  I have looked back over this thread a bit, and given the time and experimentation and thinking on the subject, my opinion is a bit progressed.

I think the ego mind that is thinking about this subject is not designed for PSI, that is not its job.  The part of you that says "I am me thinking about me" is something that developed in people LONG after PSI was there and long after the 5 senses were developed, it was after language developed. 

I don't think we are afraid of PSI any more than we are afraid of other uncontrollable stuff.  The ego-mind is a naturally fearful thing, that is how it was designed.

And I don't think its a "fear of PSI" that prevents you from getting better at RV.  The ego-mind is not afraid of possessing some superpower that would let it get all the goodies, that is what the ego-mind is supposed to be doing!

RV, or PSI, OTOH, is afraid of your ego-mind.  Lets be honest... you know why.  Too much of a good thing is a bad thing, especially in the realm of natural selection.  The ability to get PSI data evolved and is there like your other senses, but it functions outside your ego-mind, as a check and balance on your ego-mind. 

There seems to be a thinking mind in us that our ego-mind is not privy to, and that mind has the PSI data and that inner-consciousness knows much more of what is going on than our ego-mind.  And that inner-consciounsness intentionally provides or with-holds PSI data, depending on the bio-needs of the organism.

As far as I can tell, and this view may completely change next week, to get better at RV, you need to develop a relationship with your inner self so that it does not need to fear you.  To do that, you need to learn more of its language, and how it communicates.  Thinking and knowing are often hard obstacles to communicating.

Everyone's feedback is much appreciated.

[Red_Star]

Great reply PJ, I agree with all you said.  I have looked back over this thread a bit, and given the time and experimentation and thinking on the subject, my opinion is a bit progressed.

I think the ego mind that is thinking about this subject is not designed for PSI, that is not its job.  The part of you that says "I am me thinking about me" is something that developed in people LONG after PSI was there and long after the 5 senses were developed, it was after language developed. 

I don't think we are afraid of PSI any more than we are afraid of other uncontrollable stuff.  The ego-mind is a naturally fearful thing, that is how it was designed.

And I don't think its a "fear of PSI" that prevents you from getting better at RV.  The ego-mind is not afraid of possessing some superpower that would let it get all the goodies, that is what the ego-mind is supposed to be doing!

RV, or PSI, OTOH, is afraid of your ego-mind.  Lets be honest... you know why.  Too much of a good thing is a bad thing, especially in the realm of natural selection.  The ability to get PSI data evolved and is there like your other senses, but it functions outside your ego-mind, as a check and balance on your ego-mind. 

There seems to be a thinking mind in us that our ego-mind is not privy to, and that mind has the PSI data and that inner-consciousness knows much more of what is going on than our ego-mind.  And that inner-consciounsness intentionally provides or with-holds PSI data, depending on the bio-needs of the organism.

As far as I can tell, and this view may completely change next week, to get better at RV, you need to develop a relationship with your inner self so that it does not need to fear you.  To do that, you need to learn more of its language, and how it communicates.  Thinking and knowing are often hard obstacles to communicating.

Everyone's feedback is much appreciated.

That sounds about right in a sense, I have read Julian Jaynes "break down of a bicaramel mind" in the first few chapters it breaks down the concept of consciousness in itself. Yeah I agree with that, my subconscious doesn't speak english that much I know already. It's consciousness in itself as well. Since my development was martial arts related I will put it in those terms. The reason a lot of martial artist practice is to gain perfection and quick reflex, so that they can naturally react without even consciously making that decision, it's more of a reaction. Ever little thing you do in your conscious state you make a decision consciously no matter how subtle.
For me when I look up basic ideogram images especially for the one for "roof" or "structure", the ideogram is either a "Z" shaped or an "-" shaped thing that closely resembles the "roof" or "house" structure component in Kanji/Chinese character. So since it's official basic ideogram along with others.
I am confused, because I've gotten both before, so is it the "Z" or "-" parallel bar that is the ideogram for structure?

[Leland Jeans]

Hello all, I have some thoughts regarding fear and PSI.  First,  I'd like to point out that experience is the best teacher regarding research into this subject, for it has taught me that my ego does not understand all that the subconscious desires or knows.  Yet, what comes forth from the unconscious realms chooses its own time and way to inform the ego.  Our conscious state reduces us to that which our five senses can detect, yet we are familiar with the structures, themes, concepts, and rhythms we've created collectively and personally, and  all agree on a similar reality, generally, and how it is composed, perceived, and lived on a day-to-day basis. 

Morally, we understand it's a sin to murder and steal, for instance.  However, in the darkness of the subconscious, murder and stealing can be elements that are used to incorporate a fear in a subject who needs to move in the opposite direction of that energy.  The answers come to us in a unique form, I think, that only we, ourselves, singularly can really understand.  We need the proper tools to understand what this 'other' is all about, and many have provided clues from Edgar Cayce to Carl Jung.  If there is truly a compensatory element that is the overall reason for dreams, for instance, which originate from the subconscious, and those dreams involve elements of danger that would scare us in the conscious state, but do not harm us in this unconscious mental attitude, I say we ought to search out these dreams for answers to our fears. 

I've not had fear associated with viewing or doing psychic work that I later could not trace back to my own ego projection.  I agree with some statements here that suggest we must re-familiarize our systems as we go, rather than shock ourselves with a future we have no control of or need to be in, currently.  This makes sense to me, yet, I agree also with a view that supposes we are limitless in our ability to perform miracles.  The esoteric data supposes all is an illusion and quantum physics tells us we exist in all places at once with infinite possibilities.  I compare it to being able to drive any car on a lot, but knowing I can only focus and concentrate on driving one car at a time.

There is no fear when one confronts life without the baggage of projected fears that come sometimes from the collective unconscious, but mostly from imagery that is a direct, yet hazy reflection of some need of our own, usually involving a lack, or ego-malfunction. I've come to realize them as necessary messages originating from ephemeral unknown voids, with the purpose of correctiong, compensating, while bringing equilibrium and deeper meaning to life.   I've approached enough fears to reduce them to the nothingness that they really are to know how they are but creations of my own psyche, as everything else in life appears to be.  The choices I make in life as a person concerning how honest I am to myself, how courageous I really am versus what I intend, and other principles are where the emotions are and where fears lie waiting to challenge our claims to growth and transformation.

What would we do without a little rain on our parade once in a while?  I suppose we would be Gods without a cause without a little fear to shake us from our stoicism and death, awakening us to the possibilities of conquest and enlightenment.

[Don]

Good post, Leland.  Thanks for that.

I've noted that many people - Benton seems among them - believe that PSI developed as an evolutionary trait.  I don't know if I agree with that or not.  I also don't know if I agree with the commonly-accepted belief that the subconscious mind is where PSI originates.

I tend to think (and, warning, as Benton said, my beliefs may change next week, lol), that the subconscious is merely a term for an aspect of awareness and thinking we have almost no understanding of and only poor explanations for.  What we call the sub is most likely the first type of awareness to develop in living creatures and I think it hasn't changed much since the beginning. Rather, the first mind (what we commnly refer to as the sub) remained the same, for the most part, and higher animals merely added on new brain/mind equipment. 

Okay, that makes little sense.  Let me try this:

I think of PSI as a sort of "primary awareness", an awareness that exists at the soul level and so, doesn't require the layers of mind we commonly think in terms of (i.e. consciousness, subconsciousness, pre-consciousness, etc.).  I'm reminded of all the tests done on plants (by Baxter and others) that demonstrate that they have a rudimentary form of perception - which fits all the criteria of PSI, especially considering that the experiments showed that plants register intention on the part of humans in their vicinity.  My personal beliefs run to the mystical and I believe all matter is conscious in some way, to some degree - though of course I have no evidence for this.  So, I think PSI was there from the beginning, exists in all matter and all creatures, and didn't develop over time in any evolutionary manner.  Just my two cents worth.
Don

[violetray]

I have felt this fear thingy too, which drew me to this thread!

I love the quote by Nelson Mandela (above), i keep it on my laptop as inspiration too

anyways, for me, it is exactly that! the fear of power!

deep within me, somewhere, power has become entangled with 'bad'. I have been quite 'psychic' from an early age and thought everyone was like that. When i realised they weren't i stopped listening to it as much. It was only later in life (late 20's) that i beagn to actively tune back in and go with it.

Then i reached a point where i had a scare... the scare was the responsibility and power i had when i was 'there'. I knew that even a stray thought out here had a huge impact and influence upon the web. A part of me knew i was not ready for that kind of responsibility, so i backed way off.

Eventaully, after going around in the cirlces of growth again, i believe am ready now for the next stage, the next layer of the onion...

I was told once out on some plane that i could not enter. whether that was an aspect of me or another entity, i truly do not know?

[penny]

Could it be that it is something like fear of or shock from experiencing the superphysical and not actually fear of p.s.i  , there certainly appear to be obstacles to continuous states of consciousness. The intellect disconnects us, thought processes disconnect us and can seem like a fear type reaction.

[Loraine]

I think so Penny. Very often when you feel and face such fear, it's only substance is the unknown. It's just a little alert (having to blast through distraction) to let you know your past assumptions failed the test of time.

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