Was Atlantis Sunk or the World Flooded?

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[Mycroft]

This would really be a good RV task, I'd like to know if anyone else has any thoughts on the subject. From what I've been able to read, Atlantis was submerged beneath the seas. Now you can take that both ways, but what really got me thinking about it was that  they submerged it on purpose, they knew it was going to happen that that is why the libraries were taken around the world.

Taken in contents of today's headlines, it occurred to me that an advanced civilization with a power source so powerful decided to sink their own continent. Now given the maps from 1533 of Antarctica (obviously drawn long before) and seeing Antarctica without the snow, it makes me wonder if the Atlantians melted the ice to flood their continent to protect the world from a run-away nuclear reactor?

Mycroft

[penny]

Great idea,

I am looking for my copy of the 'Secret Doctrine' abridged version. (Buddhist)

The book recounts eye witness accounts from those who fled the rising waters. Records were kept. There was something of a psychic battle going on. Those who escaped used their minds to draw away the Vijmanas,( flying ships) from the 'Black Magicians' while they slept, leaving them to their watery fates.' The 'Vedas' contain this story of the flooding also.

[PatMcDonald]

Hmm... if you really want to explore the issue, why not set up some ARV targets?

You could start with a simple one cued like, "Did an advanced civilisation referred to by the Greek Philosopher Plato as 'Atlantis' really exist? If so describe picture A, if not so descrive picture target B".

My point is - if you are going to try to use RV to target myths with a low chance of short term verification, it's best to at least start with the question "Is this myth true?".

Could save a lot of wasted sessions. What prompted me to respond was that there is a fleeting reference in Psychic Warrior to the Atlantis story NOT being true, which suggests that the Fort Meade or other earlier team have already explored the issue.

That said, rather than relying on Psychic Warrior as being 100% accurate in every respect, it would be more honest to approach the problem as an honest skeptic - not judging until the target is posted and the sessions are recorded.

[Mycroft]

I'm all ears if someone has some analytical data to review. We've done more than enough RV on Atlantis. The sticking point is the actual flooding and how it was brought about. It is like trying to RV ice while it melts. Did the water subsume the continent or did the continent fall under?

Mycroft

[tbone]

http://ca.io9.com/5789352/will-we-ever-really-discover-atlantis

A recent National Geographic special on finding the lost city of Atlantis left people wondering whether this mythical place actually did exist. Could there really have been a city built on concentric rings of land and water?

Many accounts say Atlantis ruled the ancient world 11,000 years ago with its amazing grasp of science, architecture, and civil engineering. But it might just have been a fantasy city.


Supposedly, Atlantis was built on nested circular islands surrounded by harbors. The city grew so powerful that it ruled large parts of Europe and Africa roughly in 9600 BC. Eventually, its armies attempted to conquer Athens, and failed. Then it suddenly sank beneath the ocean in a single night - probably due to a tidal wave. Its beauty and power at a time when few cities existed yet turned it into a legend. More likely, it was always a legend.

University of South Florida archaeologist Philip Reeder worked with a team of scientists featured on National Geographic's special, who are trying to excavate an area in Doñana National Park, a coastal marsh area in Spain. And according to a story from the university where he works, even Reeder isn't convinced that Atlantis has been found, though he's hopeful:

Since the 1920s, explorers have speculated that the area might be the location of the former grand city of Atlantis, said by Plato to be elaborately built on three concentric circles with harbors separating the rings of land. Two rectangular temples, one dedicated to Poseidon, were to be in the city's center. Given the seismic activity in and around that part of the world, the idea that an earthquake may have set off a tsunami that drowned the city is eerily plausible, especially given recent events.

Interest in the legend's possible connection to this area was revived nearly a decade ago when satellite images produced by a German scientist of the dry marsh picked up on what appeared to be circular structures buried not too far below the ground. Reeder points out that adding to the weight of evidence is the discovery of possible "tribute cities" 200 kilometers to the northeast in Spain built in the image of Atlantis by those believed to have escaped the calamity.

 Drilling very small holes of just a few inches across, the explorers were able to detect the pockets of methane gas and wood about 13 meters below ground, Reeder said, indicating the decomposition of large amounts of organic material. Sensor readings also indicate anomalies underground, but exactly what that means requires much further testing.

The anomalies could represent layers of decayed adobe bricks from a buried city, Reeder said. Proof could come from excavation and chemical analysis of materials unearthed through those very small drill holes. Ground-penetrating radar often used to locate large and deeply-buried objects and spaces didn't work on the site because the high level of salt in the soil interrupted the signal, Reeder added. In the meantime, their work has given the legend of Atlantis new life. For his part, Reeder isn't drawn into the hype and won't let his imagination run wild either.

"Given the preponderance of the evidence on the geophysical plots and lines, I feel there is definitely something there," he said, peering over his wire-rimmed glasses in a manner any good adventure novelist might script. "Is it Atlantis? I can't say."

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Consider the source of our information about Atlantis. Basically, the place has always been a rumor - even the earliest recorded tales of it are just tales. Plato wrote about it thousands of years after it had been destroyed, so taking his word for it would be like somebody in the future trying to learn about the Middle Ages by reading Game of Thrones.

 Here is a concise, footnoted summary of what the historical record tells us about Atlantis, compiled by Prof. Trace Rhodes and Dr. A.D. Hawke:

Plato [1] provides our earliest and most complete record [2] of Atlantis [3]. If real [4], it was a large island [5] under Poseidon's care [6] in the Atlantic Ocean [7] around 9600 BCE [8]. Atlantis quickly became a rich [9] maritime power [10] and an advanced [11] empire [12]. After Atlantis tried to conquer Athens [13], Zeus destroyed [14] the island with water [15]. Atlantis has become a modern symbol for utopias [16], exotic resorts [17] and fallen civilizations [18]. Although no physical evidence survives of Atlantis [19], the hunt for it [20] has spawned countless books, cartoons [21], Stargates [22] and the imaginations of countless generations still to come. [23]

I urge you to read the footnotes, which are in many ways the best part of this tongue-in-cheek scholarly summary. You can see them all here, on The Adventures of the Orange Monk.

 Right now it doesn't seem likely that there ever was an Atlantis, but that doesn't mean the myth won't live on. And why not? It's a great story, and Stargate: Atlantis even gave it a pretty cool modern twist. In two thousand years, people might be looking at Stargate as a legitimate source for information about the city, too.

[PatMcDonald]

I'm all ears if someone has some analytical data to review. We've done more than enough RV on Atlantis. The sticking point is the actual flooding and how it was brought about. It is like trying to RV ice while it melts. Did the water subsume the continent or did the continent fall under?

Mycroft

Well, here's what I do know. For one thing, about 8-12000 years ago the sea levels of the Earth rose quite dramatically as the ice caps shrunk.

Such a sea level change in our time would have flooded most urban areas, which are concentrated in river valleys and/or coastal districts.

Further, the oldest dated wall is placed at at least 12,000 years (Jericho) as it fell onto some datable carbon.

The bit I have problems with is tying ALL submerged civilisations into one politico/social entity called "Atlantis".

[Mycroft]

I'm sorry if I gave that impression, no I would say Atlantis was a singular land mass. I am currently pondering if due to some trouble on Atlantis they purposefully melted the ice caps to flood the continent and minimize the contamination? And of course all coastal waters were also flooded. I think you are dead on about the climax of the last great civilizations being almost exactly 10,500 BC.

Mycroft

[tbone]

I saw a tv show once that said the pyramids and Angor Watt were both oriented toward the constellation Draco at exactly 10500 years ago.  I can't remember if any other large scale projects were also.

[Tunde]

I think a lot of folk would find it even harder to accept there were civilizations
Hundreds of thousands of years ago which may well be hidden from archeological
circles. I know one remote viewer who once confided some UFO's may actually originate
from our distant past as well as our future. Freaked me out when I first heard that  

There is a lot about our past we know nothing about.
Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology highlights some of these
Archeology anomalies.

[Mycroft]

I saw a tv show once that said the pyramids and Angor Watt were both oriented toward the constellation Draco at exactly 10500 years ago.  I can't remember if any other large scale projects were also.

Yes, I've spent the last month watching several series of programs created over the last three decades describing ancient technology that shouldn't (couldn't) have existed if history is correct. There is at least one major monument on every remaining continent that has the exact same alignment as you describe for the year 10,500. The programs also contained ancient civilizations and the impact of extra terrestrials had on our culture, pictures, art, etc.

Mycroft

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