If RVing numbers is so tough, why do we use them for tasking ID???

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[Benton]

Somebody enlighten me, please.

[PatMcDonald]

OK, I'll split it into 2 bits - the easy bit and the historical bit.

The easy bit is, numerical data is rarely accurately gathered directly during a session. Viewing a target that really is a number is prone to a lot of noise and scruffy data.

Perhaps the reason is, it would appear that the part of the brain that gathers RV data (right hemisphere) is simply not geared to handling numbers. There are ways around this, but they are cumbersome, and mean breaking the number down into different digits and associating each possible piece with a different target.

Now, the historical part - RV was first investigated using the "Outbounder" protocol. A person would be introduced to the viewer, or their photograph shown to the viewer, and the viewer would then be asked to describe the viewings of that person at certain times. After the sessions were complete, feedback was easy.

Later, real coordinates were given to the viewers in latitude and longitude and specific times. But the skeptics weren't happy, feeling that would give the viewers too much data to view on. So, instead, the protocol changed to use military map coordinates, which are a mixture of letters and numbers.

The skeptics still weren't happy, as some of the viewers by then had backgrounds in military intelligence. So, a random number system was used to task on (which is still used here and by most other RV target sites). The theory being not to give random letters which might give the RVer some false data (like a target tag of UFO-001). Hence the change in words from "Co-Ordinate Remote Viewing" which is obsolete, to "Controlled Remote Viewing".

The differences in viewer accuracy between the different methods are neglible. But, using the random number system keeps everyone honest and everthing above board - which was the whole point of the effort, to distinguish RV as being a scientifically evaluated method rather than an obscure piece of parapsychology.

[Daz]

well the numbers actually have nothing to do with the remote viewing.
The numbers or coordinates are a ritual and only really have one use and that is to give the project a name, a focus, something to be used for admin purposes. In fact most of my targets now don't have numbers associated to the target. I just to a target and the date i do it on becomes my numbers and I submit the session - even when the tasker has chosen other numbers - it doesn't seem to matter at all.

I've even done rv sessions with no numbers and just write the word 'target' this also seems to work just as well.

All the best...

Daz

[sonny5085]

My 2 cents:

Descriptions allow us to move about, shapes, colors, light, shade, emotions, taste, smells ect.

Numbers are exacting, no room to move around the precision for this (a number target) is hard as rv goes,
but I play the number game with my wife, as a telephathic game, its not hard at all , Ill give her the choice
for a number between 1-50 and hit it about as often as i hit a picture target on rv practice at the dojo.
often times i try to push a number and she picks it, whether or not the number was just a pre cog of what number she was goint to pick anyway is iffy .

As often as we played that game, it has an effect on her, almost within the first few minutes she will start to yawn, perhaps its boredom, but then she will get sleepy, and refuse to play.

numbers must be boring then ? I duno.

My boring 2 cents on the subject..yawn.

perhaps the number id associated with a target puts the number in an association mode rather than pure number ?

[katzenhai2]

As often as we played that game, it has an effect on her, almost within the first few minutes she will start to yawn, perhaps its boredom, but then she will get sleepy, and refuse to play.
numbers must be boring then ? I duno.

LOL, sonny. I appreciate your comments here. Really!
What you've said about the association about a target is IMO correct. The numbers acts like a unique symbol (like a hieroglyph in old egypt) representing the tasking.
Who knows if bad session results could also be caused/influenced by an incorrect setup of these symbols.

[Glenda]

it's nice and orienting.  Not really needed but feels scientific and more official.  Comforting.  Orienting.  I guess it is good to orient in some way and try to understand.  I like this system.  It feels efficient and not goofy or silly.  I'm not an expert or a great viewer, but I am often impressed.

[Benton]

You folks are absolutely brilliant and I am extremely grateful to you for your fantastic help!

I hope you will provide feedback to what I am about to post, too.  I need help in understanding this.

Yes, the numbers used to designate targets seem to be what Mr. Langford referred to as "keys", just something to show the inner mind that you are working a target.  They are a thing, not a number, just like a zip code is a thing, not a number.

By the same token, the stuff we get in RVing seem to be sensory pieces, and numbers are not sensory, they are math things.  A number written, a single digit, is too complex for the sensory mind to record for reference. 

[sonny5085]

I like the idea of numbers being complex or rather too complex, but I still think of numbers as too small, almost void , of anything tangible,
colors and emotions and feelings that someone has seen , felt, carry a residue, beauty, appreciated.
We see lots of rv targets that have data in that regard.
Numbers just sit there void, a winning lotto ticket would have an emotional value and prob would carry some data of feelings and dreams, and wishes, but the actual numbers would be iffy I think.

Ive seen 7 pick up years and dates, which is a prob a good excercise for that, prob why he has success at it.
But those numbers are attached to the target. and sorta sound the association of the date with the target and that data, puts them together.
Im reminded of Marvs mission long ago on just a set of numbers , if my mem is correct we all failed on that mission.
I think had the target been an zoom in of an address or some other association we may have some actual success ? mabe?

[Daz]

What you've said about the association about a target is IMO correct. The numbers acts like a unique symbol (like a hieroglyph in old egypt) representing the tasking.

If this were true - then how is it possible to do an accurate rv session with no number or words

Daz

[katzenhai2]

If this were true - then how is it possible to do an accurate rv session with no number or words

The same like it is possible to do an accurate rv session without using ideograms - which acts like unique symbols (or hierglyphs) representing target aspects. 

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