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[Millenium]

Rob Durrant say's in daz's excellent new edition of 8M :

"Other sources told me that Schnabel had worked for the CIA while in England. I didn’t raise that, it seeming to be not the sort of question a gentleman would ask of another gentleman, and I only raise it here because other parties confronted him with this and in response he freely acknowledged his employment with that "firm", though he says it was long ago and far away. I would imagine there was nothing sinister about this, just the sort of thing many temporarily expatriate Americans are asked by their country to do from time to time, which is to report on activities of other Americans that might warrant a closer look. Which of us, if asked,
Wouldnt do so ?"

The only problem with this is Schnabel was not spying on the activities of other "americans" he was spying on innocent UK citizens researching the crop circle enigma. This just confirms Colin Andrews original allegations against Schnabel and his pay masters.

I find it more than a bit suspicious Schnabel spends more time pooring skepticism over
RV with undertones of debunking and at the same time secretly acknowledges to Durrant RV is the real deal during training with Ingo Swann all those years ago.

Go figure.

M

[Adept]

I'm not saying ARV is wrong - hell I like a good ARV trial and gamble to break the monotony of normal RV work. Its the overall focus from the general field of RV to be monetary based. people selling unproven training courses, DVDs and  'new and improved' products, making false claims,  with no actual experience, trail of evidence in a continual blender of useless noise that I detest.

Remote viewing for many is purely an income generation a money machine, for others its an as yet unrealised short-cut to more income - I'd for once just like to see, read and hear or someone using and doing RV that's aim isn't in one form or another an increase in money. The universe has so many things to show us, so many secrets, with so many interesting things and people, and we as humans in our bad state of affairs have so much that RV could help with.

I do agree with T though there is a great lack of good/consistent viewers, and also project managers. In actuality Jims article was correct - we know as litle about the RV process now as we did back in the 90s when it all went public - going public did nothing more than add a money circus to RV. From which I doubt it will ever recover.

For example 8 Martinis - Im willing t work my ass off for free to publish a magazine for the RV community - to have for free. Yet do you realise how much I have to beg, borrow and steal to get enough content to put one together. Its ridiculous. Its so scant with actual Rvers and Rv projects that i may even have to consider no more issues - why because as Jim's article said - there is nothing much going on.

Daz

Daz,

I hear you brother. If it makes you or any of the others here feel better my main purpose in learning about and practicing RV is for spiritual and growth applications. Just check out the uploads I have been contributing here in the media section etc...

[Daz]

I find it more than a bit suspicious Schnabel spends more time pooring skepticism over
RV with undertones of debunking and at the same time secretly acknowledges to Durrant RV is the real deal during training with Ingo Swann all those years ago.

I had a discussion with Ingo a few days ago and he said that Schnabel was actually a  very good viewer at the end of the training. I also got to see Bobs model form the article - its very cool.

All the best...

Daz

[Millenium]

I find it more than a bit suspicious Schnabel spends more time pooring skepticism over
RV with undertones of debunking and at the same time secretly acknowledges to Durrant RV is the real deal during training with Ingo Swann all those years ago.

I had a discussion with Ingo a few days ago and he said that Schnabel was actually a  very good viewer at the end of the training. I also got to see Bobs model form the article - its very cool.

All the best...

Daz

The more reason he should cut RV some slack, sing it's praises and reveal openly remote viewing does indeed work despite the lack of support it received in the army and the fall in interest from the general public. He could easily have gone to Joe Mcmoneagle to get the low down on what
a retired ex millitary viewer was doing today for clients instead he goes to John Alexander who is not even a remote viewer and who thinks street lamps are UFO's.
For someone trained directly under Ingo Swann I would expect Schnabel to be one of CRVs biggest supporters.

M

[RedCairo]

Oh so I'm a year late. I'm not here very often, gimme some slack, LOL --

Funny quirk since it's the same person, topic, and magazine in question, but a different article. Wow this was 8 years ago!

From:
Reviewing the Reviewers:
Fortean Times Magazine
August 2004
An editorial review of the August 2004 Fortean Times magazine content, cover titled: REMOTE VIEWING: How America's Psychic Superspies Became New Age Gurus
http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/RVEditorials-007.cfm

The worst part is, that this "big feature issue" on RV then becomes kind of a joke. The combined notes play into the predictable melody of what I call the Schnabel Effect.

(I refer above to Jim Schnabel, and his early work in Britain allegedly debunking crop circles, mostly by ignoring scientifically demonstrable oddities, hoaxing some himself, and then focusing almost exclusively on how weird the people involved with the study were. As if this had anything to do with the legitimacy of the phenomenon. Schnabel is also known in the Remote Viewing field for his book ‘Remote Viewers’, an impressive compendium of trivial facts and figures, combined with some McMoneagle-the-Amazing stories--which anybody studying that period of work runs across, though I appreciate him being fair enough to include them (they were the best reading). Due to the people Schnabel was involved with, his bias reflected theirs though. The result was a book that while good where it covered, alas completely ignored half the program, which as an amazingly unfortunate coincidence to his previous journalism, just happened to be the most legit scientific work and most reputable researchers. Which left me ambivalent: grateful for all the details, and some good accounts, yet frustrated that the most scientifically-legit info just "happened" to be the part he didn't choose to make room for.)

Excerpt. - PJ Gaenir

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