Howdy M (apparently I am going to have to remote view your name. This is likely to lead to much hilarity because I've done, wait let me think, yes, ZERO work on viewing abstract symbols... I know! M stands for Jesse! Oh wait, that's probably off target...)
I was about to ask for more factual data, and remembered that my time was running out and I had not yet let the target give me whatever data IT wanted most to share. That is part of the Archetype-RV experimental method I’ve been working on; it’s a mutual thing, the target has equal rights, and in exchange for helping me perceive that info, I also let the target choose some of the info I get.
I don’t know how to bring them into session, except from the sketching point of view.
I wish, that's a great, fabulous doorway. I think art is huge in viewing since it has less 'filtering'.
Alas, I can't sketch a stick man convincingly. I mean if I have most of the day, and a ruler, and a really big eraser... I do sometimes get a very clear sense of shape, dimensions, relations, in session, and I sketch them and I am monstrously proud of myself even though they look like something a 5 year old drew and not very much like what was in my head. Alas for me sketching tends to have two side effects. First, it's completely wrong. LOL. Second, it actually gives me AOL directly, even when it's not so bad, like it just skews me toward what you might call a reframing of the memory to better fit the perfectly lousy picture instead of what was really inside me. Third (I know, I not only can't draw, I can't count either), it often actually gives me a different kind of AOL, as I often get 'motion' as well as specific sections of 'space' as if they are solids.
For example I had this ancient practice session where the impressions I got were first, the thoughts of a man who was thinking about his girl, she "never wants to go out anymore," she wanted to stay at home all the time and he was kind of frustrated about it. These weren't really strong thoughts, just sort of thoughts-in-general more like if someone's walking down the street thinking idly. At the same time, the main focus seemed like this clear, straight-line path to something, a sort of diagonal relationship to where it began, and there were sort of angled shapes a bit away, meeting with the place that the path or shape ended, some 'dynamic' of this path-to-endpoint. Well I tried to sketch this and in the end, I ended up completely mucking it up, by the time I was finished, my head had begun to follow the sketch like AOL tag, and the path-shape was now a solid 'thing', and I finally just got lost and stopped the session.
The target 'context' turned out to be a group of young men in the 50's I think, and they were standing around playing a game together at a pool hall, and the target focus was this young man who was leaning over the table and taking a shot at the corner pocket. The path was literally both a dynamic motion path (not an object) which the ball was to travel, to the corner, which totally connected with what was inside me when I saw it, but what a mess on paper, although I did get the basics, it was horrible.
Of course, like all viewing that is a lousy session but on target experience, it's all PERFECTLY OBVIOUS in retrospect, enough to make you feel like an idiot all day. "But of course! That's exactly what I meant!"
I believe I could do vastly better at sketching but it requires regular TIME which I have incredibly little of and lots of competition for.
Seriously, even in the dojo, I remember some Mission, dang what was it -- oh, I think 'Mars home plate' or something like that -- people were commenting like, "yeah -- er, the text, not the pictures..." or something like that, LOL!! Apparently part of my crucial role in RV is to make everybody else feel better about themselves.
-- Very interesting about feeling of the target for emotional and other data, I think that's a good idea. There are actually several techniques in the RV field that do that, variations on mindmapping basically. There are quite a few healing-field techniques that work well in RV. (And a few more crass but functional approaches I suppose--a viewer I used to know, if she couldn't tell if the human's gender, would just reach down for their genitals, lol.)
Most of the whole topic of energy work transfers right into session with no conversion if one chooses to use that. I studied that long before I ran into RV, and I probably miss that more than any other practice I've had over my life. Unfortunately I am living in a religious haven but metaphysical desert currently, so my locals are useless for anything but burning me at the stake. Anyway, as an aside, there are other things where an entire concept-model of exercises or ideas just transfer right into session easily and are applicable, like the 'mental tools' concepts of Richard Bandler (NLP).
I’m in a perpetual state of confusion about the drama queen thing, I agree with much of your older tougher views about it in many ways, and I agree with much about your present opinions about it also. I’m not crazy about when a discussion goes off a deep end because someone brings emotions of a certain type in. Emotions can and are used to manipulate others, or one can close their mind and eyes to logic by not being able to see clearly through their water filled eyes. But speaking of manipulation, I think a lot of manipulation is done by folks who take a good argument by an emotional person and try to shut them up by saying, “You’re being dramatic” or “She’s just too emotional.” Some things are painful, and we need to cry.
Sure, I agree. As even the editorial noted, people get therapy, write, whatever, it's a given that you have to 'deal with' whatever you need to.
There's an interesting interview that daz Smith gives in the upcoming 8 Martinis RV magazine, where he talks about how he perceives things in session, which mostly makes clear that my brain and his brain are from two completely separate humanoid lineages.
I think different people just really do "get" stuff differently. One person's emotion is another person's symbol is another person's body-feeling is another person's 'logical dispassionate awareness' is another person's "oh my god I have a headache I can't view."
I myself cry privately most times,
Oh hell, I'm a single mom living on the edge of paychecks with an insanely artistic 15 year old who nearly has to be tackled and forced-marched to do a single chore but is currently painting her room black. Teenagers, gah! I cry plenty at times, lol.
In general I'm a very logical personality on the surface, just not underneath, so when it comes to most situations, I'm very cool, but then I can watch a touching commercial on TV and be sobbing violently about it. I've always been that way, I think I tend to suppress a lot in life and then vent it out through the 'projection'. Like I can't cry for me, but I can cry for anybody else. My friends laughingly mock me for this. I've cried over coca-cola and budweiser commercials, it's ridiculous. My kid makes fun of me terribly. Anything touching -- even commercials, any scene in a show -- she'll go, "Mommmm! Are you CRYING?" and try to see my face (which I am usually hiding and blinking rapidly while saying, "No, no of course not!" LOL!).
I remember in the '94 Northridge (mid-southern california) earthquake, I was ok with the whole trauma of it at first. From the voice that commanded my body literally to leap out of bed when I was still completely asleep, to the massive wall of huge designer cinderblocks/wood/books that fell on my bed the instant I was clear, to trying desperately to get out of a stupidly designed apartment that was a death trap, to standing in the doorway watching the blue and green lightning of transformers everywhere blowing out, to wondering about an incredible dream I'd had a couple nights before where I was under water and met what I thought was an Angel--and then wondered if some kind of tidal wave could reach all the way to another city--all the way to the parking lot with neighbors in the darkest world ever, I was ok. I was the oh-so-sensible one who knew just where radio, emergency lights, etc. were, I was making sure the elderly couple nearby were ok, I was in survival mode, totally focused and fairly calm.
And then one of my neighbors, a Marines weapons trainer, says calmly, "If that was centered in Frisco, they're just
gone." I literally gasped in horror. I was suddenly so afraid and upset--now that I'd projected all that danger onto someone
else!--I nearly just imploded on the spot! I was a total disaster then. Of course that guy simply went back to his apartment like we'd been discussing the weather, and had his normal morning routine a little early. In the dark. Far as he was concerned, if he wasn't dead, no reason to stress out, LOL. Marines... gotta love 'em. ;-)
there is a lot of “That’s Hollywood” bulls**t" misconceptions out there in general about the way psychic/intuitive function occurs. Some people get very impressed about hearing a psychic intuitively “at the scene, viewing the tragedy…hearing the blood curdling screams”…..I feel this is good for the TV shows, but we know it is also not necessary at all to be a productive viewer…And yet I don’t want to mock anyone’s experience is that is how they have it. What I am saying is that we are creative beings, and I can just as well see the gun that the murderer used by tuning in to the murderer handling it, loading it with bullets, or the prosecuting attorney presenting the description of it in court two years from now (yes, future seeing…) I mean, the ways of getting answers are innumerable.
Yeah, it's endless. I've changed from when I wrote that in this area, but not that I've changed the idea that people subconsciously choose experience--I still believe that--I think I just have a great deal more sympathy for the idea that it is truly not conscious so it's injust or at least terribly uncompassionate to grant them or myself no sympathy for the circumstance. I mean, that's sort of a metaphysical philosophy (you create your own reality) but the fact that it may be fundamentally true doesn't mean we should be blaming the victims, which I feel that article was a little of.
I actually feel so badly about that editorial now that I have thought several times I need to do a meditation to target that viewer's inner-self that is tied to that experience and see if I can actually do something healing-useful for her during it--I don't even know that she's in the field still, I haven't seen her eons although now that I think about it, having unsubscribed myself from everywhere but here that might be just highway blind obviously...
By the way I know that's total 'remote influence' thinking, so someone is surely going to jump my case over that, but you know... my life. You don't want me trying to pray for you or heal for you, definitely don't piss me off or make me feel guilty, both of which--the former tends to take awhile longer to get there, LOL--have that effect with me.
A lot of people feel that if you don't have conscious permission in triplicate you shouldn't attempt to do energy work with anybody. Since I believe in psi wholly, I feel differently, although I'm also influenced by my old hands-on/archetype teacher that way. When I arrived in her living room, a major skeptic, I was a hypnotist studying sociology and cult psychology, and I totally did NOT BELIEVE in any of that "woo woo crap." But I was totally affected by a video she was in -- well, the account is here:
http://www.palyne.com/blog.redcairo/hands-on-energy-work/ -- and her theory was, if she's a healer, and the universe dropped my sorry ass in front of her, I was her job. Doctors don't let people bleed out on the street they're walking down, just because they didn't come in the ER with insurance papers.
(This was what I meant by “wanting” AOLs: symbolic info or archetypical info can be just as relevant and helpful in giving good and accurate info as blood and guts, smell of death, dead bodies floating in water…)
Yes, I agree -- but your labeling it AOL is a framing, and consider that how we categorize things can often be a belief 'about' the data, a sort of judgement, that is accurate within that structure, but that doesn't mean every other perspective would classify it the same way. That's a framing -- a paradigm specific to the method you were brought in with. In CRV which is very literal, non-literal data is often considered AOL (or other notations), it's beautifully simple, it's right or wrong for the most part. But in other psi methodologies, symbolic/ abstract/ emotional/ archetypal/ etc. data are just as valid as anything else.
Of course they are likely, in many cases, to be far more difficult to evaluate for successful application to an answer one doesn't already know.
The stories I wanted to share that made me come upon these beliefs experientially as opposed to good old theorizing/wishful thinking/dang-that's-good-on- paper-but-for-real-life-viewing-what-was-I-thinking are
You're hilarious!
Here, it was as though the voice had its own suggestions in the spirit of helpfulness and desire to comfort.
Moving rather far out of RV here (me), my personal practices involve a lot of inner work many would call Jungian in nature, and there are 12 identities that are my 'infrastructure' (and others for other relationships)--by which I mean they are literally me, not 1/12 of me, but all of me, as if it's a gem with 13 facets and I am the one 'on top' in this reality but they are all just as real and active as part of the soul that is us. They call themselves my Aeons. I argued with them about this word saying it meant a span of time and that makes no sense. Later I understood that it is time, space, and more, all in one. Anyway, when I first heard them arguing in my head during a session ('98) is what sparked me working out a cue-ing approach I called Aspect RV. (Jane Roberts has a couple books on Aspect Psychology as she calls it, which I felt might be the same kind of experience, is where I got that.)
I am SO making a short story long here... the point is that they are all completely present and if I regularly focus 'with' them much like you would in a chakra exercise or something, that gets a lot stronger, and they get more communicative. I believe everybody has this kind of 'structural identity' it's just that in our particular culture, we grow up very attached to the concept of 1 identity, and most people can't wrap their head around it. When they do it's usually in a projection, not in a 'this is part of me'. I expect most people just call them guides. Although for me that is accurate, it's also a slightly different thing/kind.
The second turning point came when I was incorporating the clock movement technique into my viewing, meaning the “With me as a clock center, move to the 2:00 position as I stand 20 feet in front of the target” “Move to the 4:00 postion….” etc etc, you get the picture. This was a technique I was using during my CRV sessions.
I always had good luck with physical 'movement' cues as well. Especially appearing behind or above for some reason. Not sure why in front or under or to a side not so much.
here comes that side of me which is way damn smarter than I can be, saying…“Uh, rocket scientist, why don’t we just use the rearview?”
ROFL!! That's great! OMG that is so true.
That reminds me of that story of the guru who says he can move an apple from the table to his hand without getting up. People are all thinking it's magic. Someone asks him to show them, and he says to one of his students, "Hand me that apple."
Yes, I can kill any story... I'm sure I butchered it, but it's the thought that counts...
Do you have your archetype exercises in any one place by any chance?
I wish. Because my time is so limited I barely have time for the experiments I do, and in fact usually don't get enough time for them, which mean my documentation totally sucks! It didn't used to be that way. Well, when my kid was an infant. After that my schedule was doomed, doomed.... :-)
I have three kinds of experimental RV --well, 4 -- that I've worked on over time, although none extensively -- Aspect RV (I've talked about this here before but many years ago I think), Archetype RV, Chakra RV, and a writing methodology that is a rather completely different approach than the one I began in (CRV). It isn't really designed to help you learn or to walk through data but rather simply to record a different set out of the many possible elements of self and session.
2012 is my big year of getting off my ass and (a) documenting and (b) 'integrating'. I will probably end up doing a lot more viewing and a lot more publicly. More publicly than the dojo, as they would all be nice to me, I'll have to make it more public so less nice people can throw spitwads at me, then the ego-fear of failure in front of everyone might help LOL. Although who am I kidding I get that even with Missions. Which reminds me LD (my tasker) is tasking this week's mission so I'll have to view it!
I'll be looking through your RedCairo blog some more. I hope you’re having a good day!
Thanks. :-) Some of my favorite accounts -- these are dreams or visions, but linear enough to be stories (my friends keep trying to get me to make them such!) In no particular order:
Of the Gold
http://www.palyne.com/blog.redcairo/of-the-gold/Pirate Mapping
http://www.palyne.com/blog.psiche/pirate-mapping/The Rider
http://www.palyne.com/blog.psiche/the-rider/Physics Dreams: The M
http://www.palyne.com/blog.redcairo/physics-dreams-the-m/Archeology, Ghosts and Dreams
http://www.palyne.com/blog.redcairo/archeology-ghosts-and-dreams/Captain of the Guard
http://www.palyne.com/blog.psiche/captain-of-the-guard/Best,
PJ
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