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[Benton]

I'd like to hear what you all have to say about dreams and their function , since it seems that "how dreaming works" is very much related to "how remote viewing works".  I may be wrong, but I need you to explain to me how I am wrong, because, lets face it, I am the last person to notice I am wrong.  Ask my wife.

Here is my current understanding.  There seems to be a giant universe, and it is made up of things that have qualities that are discernible by different sensory perceivers.  So each of us has a mind that draws a map of associations to these bits of perceived info (probably on neurons in our brain).

The process of natural selection has created multiple processing areas in our brain to fulfill different functions, but the over-riding function is of course increasing our reproductive potential.  One of the processing areas of our brain is normal waking thought.  Another processing area is dreaming.  There are others, as research seems to suggest. 

These different processors manipulate the sensory/memory info in different ways, and there seems to be some overlap since we can remember dream events and within dreams you remember waking events, but the two areas are designed to do slightly different things with the data. 

It seems like dreams are there to come up with solutions to problems encountered by the organism as back-up plans should the problem arise again.  They take important stuff worthy of worrying about, and play various solutions from the person's memories with them to see how they play out.  They associate old solutions to new crises so that the person is better able to respond to the problem in the future.  Its kind of like priming. 

It makes good logical sense that such a thing would evolve, since having a virtual world to experiment in is MUCH safer than trying out new solutions in the real world "Okay Gronk, now try killing the Auroch with the broom you so successfully swept the cave out with this morning, to see how that works."  Also, since you are asleep anyway, may as well do something useful with the time. 

I think PSI info gets pulled into dreams just like it does into waking consciousness.  It seems dream stuff gets pulled into waking consciousness, but waking mind is SO dominated by sensory info that most dream and PSI info is just shouted over and never integrated into then waking mind process.  This website is chockfull of ways around that little issue, which is why I am discussing this here.

What is the relationship between the maps drawn in the dream process and the waking process?  We know there are associations and relationships between "things" in our dreams.  Same goes for our waking mind.  The same "things" show up in our waking mind and our dream world mind, but are they exactly the same things? 

Explain it to me. 

Special fun OBTW. Last night I had a dream that I was dreaming about dreaming.  In the dream, all the dream world stuff made perfect sense.  But there, I was dreaming this world, and this world seemed like a disjointed symbolic reflection of that world.  In the dream world, we sat around analyzing dreams, which were this world, and we could not figure out how we would ever understand the illogical and nonsensical world here, from there.  While this was happening, I was conscious of myself watching all this happening.

[Marv]

hat is the relationship between the maps drawn in the dream process and the waking process?  We know there are associations and relationships between "things" in our dreams.  Same goes for our waking mind.  The same "things" show up in our waking mind and our dream world mind, but are they exactly the same things?

I view dreams and the dreamscape as a tumble away from waking consciousness in this physical realm into the kind of buzzing quantum field underpinning our existence. The objects and people that we perceive in dreams are our interpretations of the various energies, forces or quantum bubblings that we encounter whilst open to and part of this field. Time widens in this field so that we experience not only those forces currently affecting our experience in the physical world but also FUTURE influences or possibilities still as yet fully realised/collapsed...hence instances of precognition.

The same 'things' may show up in waking/dream state though IMO they are disconnected. In the physical state they exist as collapsed manifestations of matter...in the dreaming state they are largely symbolic, fumbled attempts at identifying or processing the ineffable energies presented to us. I suspect that expert lucid dreamers or those who pay close attention to their dreams over time will experience more coherent representations of these  energies as they become more attuned to them via focus and the intent of understanding.

Marv 

[Benton]

Marv,

Excellent response.  Your view certainly widens my own understanding and I am very grateful for that.

So the content of dreams, do you think they have any "meaning" other than what we apply to them? 

[Marv]

So the content of dreams, do you think they have any "meaning" other than what we apply to them?

I think they can be indicators of our own mental/spiritual/physical state, yes. Not so sure that we really benefit by reading too much into them on a literal level - I suspect that much dream analysis is the equivalent of AOL in RV, ie the conscious mind simply superimposing its own fallacious interpretations upon a collage of impressions the true meaning of which we can never truly grasp.

Add to all of this the idea that many dreams are actually your astral self exploring the astral plane and then having the memory of this crunched and distorted during the re-awakening process and you have a whole bunch of different experiential inputs for the mind to sort and assign meaning to. Imagine getting your arm stuck in astral matter of your bedroom wall whilst out-of-body (it's happened to me once during OBE) and yet forgetting this upon awakening...you're left only with the vague feeling of having being 'stuck' somewhere. Do you then interpret this dream as being indicative of your current existential situation, frustration at work etc etc?
It would make sense to interpret it in this way, though you'd be wrong...it was simply that you actually HAD got stuck whilst out of body.

Likewise you bump into a cat-like entity whilst in the astral plane. This is actually the astral body of your neighbour's pet cat, Tiddles. You awake with a dim memory of a cat in your dream and rush off to look up what it 'means' to experience a cat in your dream. You read that to experience a cat whilst dreaming is an omen of bad luck. Again, the meaning you have assigned has nothing to do with the reality of the situation (ie you simply met an ACTUAL astral cat). In such way I think it is possible to wildly misinterpret what actually happens to us whilst in the dream state.

Marv  

[sonny5085]

Dreams are a inter dimensional interface between our 2 states of being , I like to think of it that way.

I cant help but remember the countless times that ive slept on a problem only to wake with the answer or answers !

But one story comes to mind now more than others, I was standing in line at a truck stop in va  to cash in a small win ticket,
a lady in front of me, was smiling and jumpy like, she turned to me , and said without me asking, she had won 500 dollars,
and I said ''congratulations''  she said the numbers came to her in a dream , so she said the dream was so vivid, she went straight away
that morning and got the ticket for the pick 3 , and she was cashing it in. She contributed the dream as of being of divine intervention !

I smiled and said could be, who knows?  Maybe it is a dimension where dreamers have access, certainly has loads of biblical references.  

[Daz]

I think dreams are mini holidays. Part of us - intricate and connected parts return to the fold. these parts unhindered by day-today needs like conscious life saving thought and attention every single second, get 'time off' to digest, return to normal states of being, to create and essentially cool down - chillax!

Daz

[Okapi]

Mary,

You have explained very thoroughly, it helps a lot.

I have just recently started to focus on my dreams after some - more negative - precognition type events and first spontaneous and later actively initiated OBEs.

Yes, as soon as you wake up, and you remember of your "dreams", your brain starts to interprete, distort the your experiences and you get these sometimes absurd symbolic pictures or memories.

I also strongly believe (hope) that if one is practicing more and getting more familiar with altered consciousness in awake, can eventually better understand and utilise the experiences gathered while sleeping.
(I am not a native English speaker)

Thanks
Okapi

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