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[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

     If your belief system incorporates that the past, present and future is all at the same time (which mine does), it is easy to understand how the past and present are readily available. My understanding problem is with that of the future. As we function in the present, we are doing and thinking things that influences the future.


    Which 'part' of the future is available 'today' ? Which part is considered to be the bottom line ~~ the final answer?  

    Example: Today, I want to know where I will geographically be living 3 years from now. There can only be 3 answers. 1. same place 2. elsewhere 3. no longer living on earth.


     At the present, I have no plans or intentions of moving. My job isn't the sort that would include being transferred.  I have no interest in moving, in fact, I don't want to move. YET..... say in reading the future, it is determined that I will be living in the tropics.

    So far, 3 things have happend 1. The desire to know, 2. asking the question 3. the answer - the tropics.

    Let's assume that in 3 years, I am actually living in the tropics.  Were all the variables already known and understood 3 years prior?  that I changed jobs and THAT job required that I move?  or that I won a contest that sent me to a tropical island and loved it and decided to stay...(got a job there and simply stayed) or I robbed a bank and went to a tropical island as a fugitive ??  There could be so many reasons as to why I wound up in the tropics.....  or as many reasons as to why I would never wind up in the tropics.

    Here is the guts of my question: when we 'see/know the future' are all the variables already taken into account?  Nothing ever happens that is only dependent on one person. In any of the examples above, it would involve many other people. What about all their free will?  What about the entering the contest - was it known the day I asked that I would enter and win? ...or I entered the contest and the entry box was stolen and all entries destroyed or I could just have easily NOT entered the contest.

    I have not made this as clear on 'paper' as I feel it in my mind, but am hoping I made it clear enough to be understood.

    Back to the belief: the past, present and future are all known to exist in the now.  Is the future (as seen/known today)  'a given, a sure thing'?? or is it based on likely probabilities?  If based on probabilites, then 'today' the future is not in fact determined and therefore, not in existence...yet   :-/

    LOL....looking forward to some discussion on this topic (tropic?)  in the future...  

   errrrr..or now.....

....hmmm  or did I ask this question on this forum 2 years ago (even though it didn't yet 'exist') and it is just now in our awareness?  

   See?  

 

[Tigr50]

Hi there:
While living in Boulder, Ihad a very active career doing readings, hence seeing people's "future."  All I can relate here is purely aneccdotal, but after 25 years, there were patterns that emerged.

(First of all, let me say that I am a practitioner of Huna, which is an ancient means of changing one's future and not just going with the flow of what yyou have suggested.)

Your own future, in my opinion, can be "made" by you to a great extent.  Other forces, including the actions of other people do affect it.  But adults seem to suffer from a "wandering" of their desires and goals, or should I say, wavering.  If I read a child's future (up to the age of 12 or so) the path is very straight and powerful with intent.  After that, the path begins to meander.  For this reason, it is so much easier to read a baby's future than and adults, in my opionion.

If you wish to live in a tropical place and make a living there (or whatever your conditions) you can--you can muster all of your intent and be there.  But there may be unexpected variations in the scenario, where other forces that act upon your new life.  For example, not doing what you expected to do for a living, or even liking the place.  But you did make your future. I always suggest to people to be easy with the changes, because one is on a new path filled with new entropy that is not familiar to deal with.

Just a little input on this interesting subject.
Deb

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

Thanks Deb

   

Other forces, including the actions of other people do affect it.  But adults seem to suffer from a "wandering" of their desires and goals, or should I say, wavering.  If I read a child's future (up to the age of 12 or so) the path is very straight and powerful with intent.  After that, the path begins to meander.  For this reason, it is so much easier to read a baby's future than and adults,

   So?  The future does or does NOT exisit in the 'now"

    I'm with you on the seeming flucuations of what makes 'the future'. What I'm trying to understand is' how can it be said that the future already exsits when in fact, moment by moment, we make choices etc that change/influence the future.  When is it that the future has it's bottom line?  When is the future DONE?  

    This is like chasing your tail....lol.  

[Tigr50]

I would say the future--or your future--is never "done," (and you are subject to the laws of entropy along the way).  You could take the  Buddhist appoach and say that all you really have is "now," and it is best to be always mindful, alert to this "now."

I believe the future can be changed through the power of intent and that intent is in the "now."
--Deb

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

 

    I'm with you. I think this also. But it doesn't fit in with the total concept of all things, (past, present, future) existing in the same moment suggesting that ALL has already taken place and is known.

    By the way, some of my earliest reading was on Huna...I'm very interested in it and plan to learn more in depth about it.  It's a very gentle discipline..Can't remember exactly, is it Endid Hoffman who is/was so instrumental in bringing Huna to the forefront?

[energycritter]

My uncle's dog could catch his own tail and bring it to you when he had it. We should ask him to explain how he did it. he he....

This thread brings back headaches from philosophy classes in college about causual analysis and whatnot.

I love it though...bring on the pain...this should get real good....

Future, to be or not yet to be, that is the question...

BC the EC

[Tigr50]

A dog that can answer a question with his mouth full of his own tail....well that is real talent!  Couldn't get a cat to be that talented (er...act that idiotically).

But seriously (not) Huna was introduced to many throught the writings of Max Freedom Long. Was that who you were thinking of?  The other name does not bang any gongs with me.  

I guess the future is what we deal with in some RV: but most all the RV I do is in the "now"--that's why I am always floating around in the dark in Afghanistan and Pakistan, I think (time zone problems).  It's not the best of situations.  People aren't doing much and/or sleeping.  Sometimes, all I do is scare the goats.  Has anyone else noticed that animals can sense RVers?

Cheers
Deb

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

Hi Deb

    I just did a quick search on the net about Enid Hoffman. I had the name correct. I have several of her books from years ago. Here is a little snip of the search.

Huna  - ... in the native culture that I will never understand the deeper aspects of Huna. ... I have found a few sources (Max Freedom Long, Enid Hoffman, and Victor Anderson ...

    Oddly, before OBL and Sadam became such a focus, but shortly after 9-11, I too found myself in 'their territory'. I have no idea why. This is when I was meditating and before I learned any remote viewing.  I 'saw' all kinds of things that as I look back on it, are certainly relevant....right down to when the 3 explosions took place in Israel on the same day in the market place (about a year ago).  I don't know why I get these things...because I have no source to pass the information onto.

[Fire]

It is my conscious belief, though I still have some ways to go on integrating this fully I think, that time and space just don't exist. They're ways of perceiving gradations of energy, and everything is just energy (including us).

I believe in free will.  Yet I believe it's possible to say that the future is certain, and I don't see those as contradictory, though logically I grok them seem so.  It is true that we can make any choice.  But at the point of the future--when we get there--then we have only one reality that happened, in the end.  And since time doesn't exist, part of us already knows that one thing that comes to be.

I believe that sometimes, we have experiences (deliberate or spontaneous) which show us a future we might like to change.  I think when that happens, some part of us is forcing that probability onto our screen so that we can consider an alternate path.  In other words, we may not always been perceiving the real future, but rather a potential future, as part of the data we can use for exercising our own free will.  

I think if we WANT to see the REAL future, we can... I suspect a huge amount of this is tied into belief systems.

[polka_dot PUH_JOMMIES]

But at the point of the future--when we get there--then we have only one reality that happened, in the end.  And since time doesn't exist, part of us already knows that one thing that comes to be

thus, our feelings of destiny?

I believe that sometimes, we have experiences (deliberate or spontaneous) which show us a future we might like to change.  I think when that happens, some part of us is forcing that probability onto our screen so that we can consider an alternate path.  In other words, we may not always been perceiving the real future, but rather a potential future, as part of the data we can use for exercising our own free will.  

......or, depending where we are in our own evolvement, we will only understand just so much no matter what we are shown?....or/and we will only 'see' what it is we can understand ??   Our higher self giving us only what we need to know at this time and/or leading us (you/me/all) to our best potential?

     This is good...very very good. Something I can sink my teeth into. I'll be mulling this one around for some time.  Thanks