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Slorri

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2018, 06:50:38 AM »
Possibly in order to get anywhere we must first agree on if the target is the target.

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2018, 09:43:37 AM »
This is good, Slorri. I think it's very common in many fields -- I've seen it in other arts and in business as well -- where all the people involve have adapted sufficient assumptions (or sometimes groupthink) that when someone comes around and suddenly says, "But wait, why? How does this make sense, why do you say that?" And it seems so obvious to everyone and yet, if it's not obvious to the person asking, then clearly, it is not obvious at all.

Humor: I noticed the original CRV manual had no entry for blind in its glossary. And the version I put online, I even made the glossary larger (using all the terms in every part, as the original glossary for some reason only had some of them). Of course, they were working with someone who knew the target (yes, the targeted-data) at the table with the viewer.

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2018, 10:10:04 PM »
Reading this at the moment: So, from

ESP WARS
East and West
An Account of the Military Use of Psychic Espionage
as Narrated by the key Russian and American Players


Edwin C. May, Ph.D.
Victor Rubel, Ph.D.
Joseph W. McMoneagle
Lloyd Auerbach, M.S.

Is this casual reference to double-blind:




Which is to say... that's pretty much back where we started.  :D ;D

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2018, 10:21:48 PM »
Maybe I should add the trivia I assume everyone knows but maybe they don't --

That initially "Remote Viewing" experiments by which I mean those actually using that coined term, was literally describing a location. Sometimes, describing what was 'at' or 'happening-at' a location.

So the viewer knew that it was tangible, that it was real-life scale (not microscopic or cosmic), and that it was a location, whether this was via describing the weather, describing an outbounder's environment, or describing a photograph (all were "locations").

So that amount of foreknowledge -- which today we would call 'frontloading' if someone told you that -- was an assumed 'given' for RV from the start, even within "a double-blind."

Because the possible targets in that pool are INFINITE.  (uncountable)

If a viewer's info whatever it may be, still leaves that much open, they are considered blind to the target (and it's double-blind if they AND anyone else with physiological interaction with them during viewing is also blind -- two or more persons blind).

fwiw.

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2018, 05:23:35 PM »
We are having this poll going at facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/remoteviewingadmin/permalink/10155098497751822/

At the moment it is pretty even between viewer not informed of the target and not informed of the project, with other alternatives being a bit less popular.

When the viewer is not informed of the project then, according to me, he is not informed of anything at all. It doesn't help to hand him a sealed envelope, he must be ignorant of what it is about.

Why do I think this. Primarily because that's what I believed it meant, until I learnt that it didn't mean that to others. And also because it is possible, and best. Why would we want to give the viewer more information than he needs? He needs nothing. So give him nothing. In that way the viewer is given the best possible situation to work from, and he is also cleared of any fault if the RV result goes the wrong way.

Viewer can only be physically "blind" but never metaphysically "blind".

Viewer "blind" to target can be like when they searched for the "missing MH-370", just because neither viewer nor tasker knows where the plane is. The plane itself can not be the target. All of the sessions I saw had a cylindrical shape flying through the air and going down in a curved arrow path. They never called it blind, but front-loaded. That is a result we can expect when we tell the viewer we look for a missing airplane. In a case like that the viewer must take responsibility for what he does. We should help the viewer. Set up the project to succeed.

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2018, 06:31:03 AM »
Now the not informed of the target option is leading clearly.

That is what I was expected to see.


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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2018, 02:33:31 AM »
If random target is selected from informed targets, then is it “informed” or “not informed”?

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Re: Definition of the word blind in remote viewing.
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2018, 10:04:13 AM »
Great question! It depends on the quantity. Scientifically there is a quantity a pool must have for statistical reference (whether or not the viewer knows the targets) but I don't know what the number is off the top of my head. Over 300 I think.  PJ
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