Remote Viewing as a Martial Art?

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[Damien]

   

Why do people refer to Remote Viewing as a Martial Art?

    The primary definition of martial as per the Webster's New Universal Unabridged dictionary is: inclined or disposed to war; warlike.  All ensuing definitions contain the word war.  It seems that the general attitude of the military and those progenitors of various modalities of RV in the civilian sector have had a great influence on this association.  To call Remote Viewing a 'martial art' is analogous to calling all written word a vehicle for malice.  Written word has caused many a person to have their feelings hurt, or to be sued, or even to be put to death for heresy.  However, written word has also spread life giving knowledge to people everywhere.  Not to mention the poem's and thoughtful lines that have allowed people to share their intimate feelings of love.
    I will bet anyone here, all that I have, that the majority of RV is not done with the intent to harm others.  Why then does this association continue?
    What do you want the future of Remote Viewing to be?  What kind of people do you think will be attracted to Remote Viewing if we continue with  the tag of 'Martial Art'?  How do you think these people will use this method of knowledge acquisition?
    These are important questions.  These are the reasons that Secret Societies teach clandestinely.  The uses of the type of knowledge that can be acquired from Remote Viewing could have grave consequences far beyond that of any current technology possesed by any government, or, it could be used to elevate humanity to a degree of evolution in congruence with love.  In another post I have described how light has been proven scientifically to resonate with our DNA.  If you make the jump that pure light is love then you realize that we are made to love.  What kind of association do you want to have with Remote Viewing?  
    I feel that we as humanity have been in fear too long, which has lead to war.  Our countries are scared, they attack others countries becuase they are afraid they will be attacked, the cycle never ends.
    I for one refuse to perpetuate this cycle.  I use Remote Viewing to gain knowledge of the world around me.  I do not care if my methods cannot be proven or verified by science.  I care for humanity and the ways in which I can use RV to help my brothers and sisters in this world of struggle.  I feel it is the duty of those people who can practice this 'gift' to help others in such a way that we can take a step closer to that resonance which we were created to have.  Maybe I am being too idealistic here, maybe even childish, then again, maybe we all need to look at the world through the loving, forgiving eyes of our children.

                                             Lovingly,
                                                           Damien

[Mystic_Rhythms]

I think, that RV is compared to a Martial Art more in its practice as opposed to its purpose.

In that RV takes a strict dedication, frequent practice, and diliberate intent to achieve skill.  It also can be an art form as well, in a users skill and style, much like a martial art.

I don't take it the same way you do, then again, I have several friends who are black belts and I do enjoy watching them disply thier talent, in forms and sparring.  I kind of think of RV as more of a martial "form"

My 2 cents.  I certainly agree with you on the evolution part, you have a few billion people to go on that, however...  

MR

[VSW]

Hey D!!

Yeah, I'd have to agree with Mystic, in that it has become a sort of identification with the dicipline, focus & repetitious training associated with martial arts as most know them.

In fact, to look at the root of what we Americans identify as martial arts may shed a new light. Most authentic traditions are referred to as 'bujutsu', 'bugei', etc... or a way such as 'Bushido'...or the individual as 'bushi'. The root being 'bu'. The kanji for 'bu' has 3 distinct aspects & meaninings: 'stop', 'two' & 'spears'. So in reality the original meaning behind these terms & truly the timeless principles being taught, is 'to stop conflict, represented by to opposing spears'. 'To come between to opposing spears'.

In this light, martial traditions in reality have more to do with becoming fully awakened human beings & less to do with propagating violence or war.


VSW

[energycritter]

I agree....

If you read the Eastern texts about it....you will find the love and compasion for humanity woven into every fiber of the martial art.

Any aspect of war was not a desire to fight, but, a desire to preserve a greater good and to give life in a way and not necesarily to take life. The taking of life ended up being a part of it, but, the ability to control self and to only take life if their's was the one being threatened was the intention, not just brutal unnecisary distruction of life.

The West has made the martial arts external and physical far more than they were originally intended and developed to be. The internal development of focus, self control, compasion, flexibilty, humility, emptiness, singularity with all things, self discipline, virtue, purpose, and the suchlike are not as much the focus in the West. The list of internal atributes is as long as life itself, my point is, martial arts are not exclusivly a Kata or technique for manifesting force or bodily movments to harm others....it has turned into that though, so, I play with the interanl arts and RV'do is internal. The war association with the martial arts is over played and over emphasized.

If you read the book of five rings for example, Musashi mentions all sorts of scary tactics and stratigy that lead to battle victory, but, he himself always reminds the reader of the real intent, the development of self, not the distruction of others.

The Unfettered Mind by Taukuan Soho, Musashi's favorite dude explains a lot of this stuff very clearly when he discribed the sword of Thai (spelling?) He mentions this sword that we all have in us and that it is to give us abilities that have nothing to do with war. It is a long story, well, actually a short book comprised of three letters he wrote to three different men in his day. Good reading and short....look it up...good stuff, it would help with this war/martial thing.

The ZEN way to Martial arts is the same.

The Bushido code is the same.

These and many other texts are not really just wanting war or pain or suffering for humanity, they desire development of humanity and the martial/war overtones are reflective of the far extreem of the continuum that exists in life in general. The East believes in the embrace of both extremes in order to obtain a true balance amoung all espects of life. The fullness of yin and yang embraces the extreems in order to bring balance, not be l;imited to one extreem or the other. Yin and yang is considered the "suprme ultimate", because it is the incorporation of both sides of the continuum, to the extreem, the law of oposites. So, yes, martial can mean war, but, it can alos mean....the other stuff with just as much substantiation.

It is all a matter of perspective and Damien, the perspective you desire and have is correct and yes the war aspect of it needs to not have the leading indentifying role when poeple define martial arts, so, with that in mind, RV can be considered a martial art, when the perspective during the consideration is not limited to the war aspect of the art.

By the way, Webster possibly has a little Western tweak he put into the word martial that causes the limited perspective of war being its primarry meaning.

BC the EC

[mindchild]

I think also that martial arts can be very meditative. While studying Tai Chi I learned to do standing meditation, which took discipline and was very rewarding.

A family friend is a black belt in  many martial art disciplines and he never harms anyone.   He is able to reach out and touch a person's aura and they fall down, sounds bad, but he has used this at festivals by following policemen (at their request) and watching for people who would reach for their guns.  These people simply fall to the ground with him there, no body contact at all, and no one is harmed and the festivals continue to be pleasing for everyone.

Laurie

[energycritter]

The standing art is I Chaun (mind boxing)....good stuff, I play with that one too, mixed with a little Chi Gong.

The no-touch knockout is a nice way to rendor someone harmless and done in a harmless way.

So many ways to see martail arts as not just war and harm.

BC the EC

[Damien]

    Maybe the connotation 'martial art' is used for its aspects of study and dedication.  I would agree that the Masters and Grand Masters are mostly peaceful people that teach how to heal as well as to fight.  However, having studied matial arts and been around the public in general, I do know that some people get into martial arts to fight because they are pugilists.  Musashi the greatest swordsman to ever live, who wrote 'The Book of the Five Rings' may have come up with the secret to living peacefully, but he still killed many people.  I do not know of any form or style that teaches only defense and no attacking.  Maybe you can enlighten us V, but I don't think the gerneral public shares your depth of knowledge when regarding the phrase martial art.  No matter how you pull its meaning or its intent its still training to interact with another human being so as to cause harm.  Whether this knowledge is chosen to be used in defense or as an act of aggression is of course up to the individual.  
    It is with nearly %100 certainty that I believe our government has used Remote Viewing in an attempt to kill people.  Whether it be through experimental Remote Influencing attempts, or simply to find a location to bomb, the intent was surely there at one time.  I realize too, that many many good things have come from the sessions at Grillflame, Stargate, etc.  I would not be talking to you all in this forum about RV becuase it wouldn't exist in this form.  I am thankful for this.  Maybe they even got rid of some nasty chemical and biological agents, who knows.  The military however truly used it as a 'Martial Art' in the sense of war.  People are not ignorant they will make the connection.
    At the very least I'm asking people to be more careful the association they make with RV.  Lest we attract the kind of people who's morals and ethics have no bounds.  In their hands this medium of knowledge acquisition could be used to cause harm.

                                  I hope for the best,
                                                                 Damien

[energycritter]

I agree with you Damien and I feel your angle and perspective.

Yes, good concerns for sure.

It is something to keep a handle on for the good of all.

You intend well, friend....BC

[mindchild]

Damien,
I see your point too.  Well taken.
Laurie

[energycritter]

Damien, when Joe M. refers to the RV as being a RV’do, I think the “do” portion of his created term is the training and practice stuff more than the martial/war stuff discussed above. I do not remember for sure what the “do” as a suffix is in the Japanese or Chinese writings and rendering of terms. I need to look it up tonight.

So, Joe may be referring exclusively to the training practices and self disciplines of RV when he refers to it as RV’do, his tern to include the martial art aspect of it.

I am not sure though. I have read the term “do” so many times before, but, the meaning at this moment escapes me.

Nonetheless, good thread and good concern....

BC the EC