pjrv : Messages : 3987-3991 of 4038
#3987 From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Wed May 5, ?004 6:51 pm
Subject: A few notes on the galleries pjgaenir
Hi you guys. Few notes on the galleries just fyi. I'll post about
their opening on other lists and TKR itself tomorrow.
Anybody in a practice group is welcome to use the 'open session'
option in the Window Gallery. Makes a nice presentation page of the
session & gives you a public url to paste into an email.
You can meander through the Practice Gallery to see how it works. And
arrange your personal settings for target categories, and advanced
targets if you wish. You don't have to upload a session to see
feedback. You can just play to test it out.
You can visit the Missions Gallery (an advanced option? ), which
has "specialty taskings". These vary from normal, serious and
instructional types to exploratory types to esoterics--but you choose
your minimum feedback requirement. We'll have at least a couple at
opening but more coming.
It'll be awhile before there's much in the way of 'other peoples
sessions to look at' in the TKR Galleries since, of course, "other
people" have to add them for that to happen. :-? ) So the Demo Gallery
and the voting/comments Peanut Gallery are empty at the moment.
I'm hoping over the first month a few folks are willing to dig up
their old fave sessions and post those in the Window Gallery--that
would be fun, to get a sneak peek at others' stuff!
The nicest thing about the Galleries as a whole is simply that it
makes it easy and neat for viewers to share with each other, whether
working in the system, or working outside it in private groups, or
sharing old stuff for the fun of it.
TKR has a 'chat complex' in the Galleries & Resource Center area, but
it is... not done yet. :-? ) That'll come very soon though, for those
of you who like to chat, and I'm going to be running a few little "RV
Chat Exercises" for fun at appointed times that oughtta be a blast,
just to play with 'group psi' a bit.
We're holding the viewer home pages/blogs option for now as well, to
finalize stuff there.
For those who really ARE doing RV out there, the Missions Gallery looks
to be a ton of fun, and we hope you'll join us!
Remember you can be ANONYMOUS in this system, with registration or
with your session settings, so you can "sneak in and play"!
#3988 From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Wed May 5, ?004 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: A few notes on the galleries docsavagebill
I'm curious why you stress being Anonymous? Is this so
that established viewers can practice publically
without potentially losing face? Most of the newbies
are not known anyway..so are effectively anonymous..so
the only advantage would be to established viewers.
But would they go do sessions here anyway? I must be
#3989 From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Thu May 6, ?004 8:03 pm
Subject: Re: A few notes on the galleries pjgaenir
A fair question I guess.
Consider you are one of the maybe 3-5% of people in the RV online
field that writes online openly. You may feel people sharing names
and sessions to be simple-'so-what', but much of the other 95% of the
lurking field's populace aren't so open.
Based on your comment, I imagine telling some fellow, "Frank, I know
you are shy, but nobody knows you so even though your personal
name's on it, it doesn't count 'cause your name doesn't mean anything
to anybody." Ouch. It means something to Frank! And once he started
sharing, his name _would_ mean something to people. Maybe he wants to
practice while he's new and really sucks at RV without making a
reputation for himself as Frank The Guy Who Sucks At RV. ;-? )
This is not all coming from a vaccuum. I have a lot of years in this
field of people sharing such things with me privately.
I feel when people are developing in RV, anything that can be done to
sponsor sharing with others, while avoiding the big ego-threat that
helps breed avoidance and defensiveness and more, is good. Viewers
have enough psychology to deal with already.
Next, consider the nature of TKR, a project trying to bring together
a field of people who, on bad days, act more like chupacabras than
friends. RV is something that normally only works well socially in
small groups where people feel safe with each other. TKR is open to
people from every source and stripe. It's not logical nor safe, in
the online climate RV sometimes sports, to assume Frank doing a lousy
session is not going to result in a dozen people from Group Z [who
hate Frank AND the horse he rode in on] trumpeting that Frank has no
right to an opinion anywhere now because look at that lousy session.
I didn't want encouraging people to share sessions to lead to people
getting buried socially for doing so.
Long ago when I was talking to Joe about some of my frustrations in
the field, he said something I thought was worth keeping. Some of
the philosophy of the Galleries is built a little bit around his
comment, which is quoted in the Galleries. It was:
One thing I would like to see established is a place where people can
go who just want to do Remote Viewing, no matter how good or how bad
they might be at it. What their skill level is doesn't matter.
Ultimately that is not what it is all about.
What it is about is self discovery and determining what makes you
tick inside. Period. How good or how bad one is shouldn't make a hill
of beans to anyone except the person who is doing it. How much better
one becomes than they were last week is a test of character for that
person and no one else.
Everyone who fights that very lonely battle has the right to share
their own observations, and bring up points to discuss with others.
They have the right to give an opinion and discuss other's opinions
about those issues, preferably in a non-confrontational way and in a
place where they won't be attacked for having an opinion, or shunned
for having a diverse or different opinion about something which none
of us really understands in the first place.
The fact that someone can become better than their previous personal
best, or the fact that someone can pick him or herself up off the
floor from a failure and keep trying, is a test of character and
personal courage that no one else knows about and shouldn't need to
know about. It's taking place inside someone's own heart and mind --
and that's where it belongs.
The above doesn't speak to anonymity, but came about in a
conversation where ego and RV-field-infighting was under discussion.
To some degree, the only way to allow people a SAFE SPACE for sharing
RV, when all methods and schools and online combatants are in the
same place, is to allow them to be anonymous.
Also, I felt that over time we might get students from a variety of
niches whose official leaders might not support them sharing with
others--there is some serious cult mentality going on in the RV field
and there always has been--if they were able to share just their
session summary and use an alias, rather than sharing their specific
method pages and their name, they might be more likely to venture in.
I am trying to make TKR a home for everyone -- not just 5% of the
field. I don't want the project limited to the tiny number of people
who are willing to throw their name and opinion out for the world,
put their ego on the line and perform for others without batting an
eye. I want the vast-majority of the field which is a lot more shy,
or conservative shall we say, to find it a place that they could
interact with others from within a safe anonymity.
As a last note, I believe when there is a strong percentage of
anonymous stuff involved in any collection, there comes more emphasis
on the data and the topic, rather than on the personalities. People
are more concerned with what was said and its merits, rather than who
said it and their credentials. I consider that a good thing.
So, there are many reasons, as you see. :-? )
#3990 From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Thu May 6, ?004 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: A few notes on the galleries docsavagebill
Well considered...:-? ) Have you succeeded in getting
some of those lurkers from the silent RV community to
show up?..and how about the professionals that never
post aywhere..any chance they will be there?
Well it's only been open for hours, not even a day old, so I can't say we've
succeeded in getting the lurkers quite yet. ;-? ) Actually to be honest, I figure
it'll be slow growing for nearly a year and eventually a solid self-sustaining
As for the pros, I don't know. I haven't asked anybody, if that's what you mean.
I think if we can demonstrate it's a good tool with value to the field, the
professionals in the field will appreciate that in their own ways, some of which
might lend to occasionally dropping in and commenting on a session, or giving a
Missions Gallery tasking, or whatever. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
#3991 From: "Viv"
Date: Thu May 6, ?004 11:?6 pm
Subject: Re: A few notes on the galleries eclecticviv
Pj has offered the option of privacy. Some people whether
established or not, prefer privacy. Mainly because it is in their
nature to be private, as a natural part of one's character.