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#856 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Sat Oct 19, ?00? 10:13 am
Subject: Re: ARV - David Copperfield 	gebega

  	  	

Hi Jason,

I guess we'll never really know if he's good at that sort of thing. From a
personal point of view I know that if I was able to RV the lottery results
accurately there is no way I would ever let on a big win was anything other
than luck.....to anybody...because that would be really asking for it
wouldn't it? If people got to believe it you'd never get any peace. People
would be pestering you non-stop to win for  *them*, tracking you down, and
maybe even getting nasty if you refused.  David Copperfield said in the
article he'd received lots of mail begging for the numbers from really
desperate people, even though 99 percent of the population would be nodding
and winking because he's a stage magician.

Whatever, he's a winner either way of course. LOL!

Regards,
Glyn

	
#861 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 10:03 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Glyn,

I'm quite certain that my beliefs about the
predictability of the future radically influenced the
ARV results initially. I don't know if  "beliefs" is
such a problem with regular RV.. at least to this
extent.  I note that dowsers have very elaborate
methods for clearing "negative influences" from their
signal line. Some seem quaint or even superstitious..
but I suspect  some sort of clearing protocols might
help with RV also.

For instance dowsers will demand that the peudulum is
responsive only to the "highest truth" and not from
subconcious images or self doubt or  "spirits" etc
..and let the pendulum signal when that is
accomplished.

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#86? 
	
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 11:43 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	nitahickok

  	  	

Hello Bill
    I always try to clear and ground myself before I do any RV or any other
psychic work. You can clear yourself by a simple heartfelt prayer of your
own choice. I also like meditation but that is more time consuming. You
ground yourself by circulating the energy in your body clockwise. You add to
long extensions to the bottom of your energy system for your feet. You take
the energy circulate it through the earth and then turn it a light brown
when it circulates through the other energy extension back into the body.
You circulate the energy as often as you feel that you need to until it is
regular and looks clean. You then draw back the energy extensions and let
your energy system return to its normal colors. It is then that you should
view. It makes everything clear and removes some of the symbolic or
allegorical interpretations because you are better grounded. It will also
get rid of energy irregularities.
    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

	
#867 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:1? pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Nita,

Interesting method Nita.How do you observe the
color..just a window in your mind  of your own aura,
or can you actually see your own energy pattern?

Best Wishes,

Bill

>--- "nita...se.com" wrote:
> You take
> the energy circulate it through the earth and then
> turn it a light brown
> when it circulates through the other energy
> extension back into the body.
> You circulate the energy as often as you feel that
> you need to until it is
> regular and looks clean. You then draw back the
> energy extensions and let
> your energy system return to its normal colors. It
> is then that you should
> view. It makes everything clear and removes some of
> the symbolic or
> allegorical interpretations because you are better
> grounded. It will also
> get rid of energy irregularities.

	
#864 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	gebega

  	  	

Hello Bill,

>
> For instance dowsers will demand that the peudulum is
> responsive only to the "highest truth" and not from
> subconcious images or self doubt or  "spirits" etc
> ..and let the pendulum signal when that is
> accomplished.

Yes, that sounds as if they are doing the same thing, aiming for the
'final' truth (although that's a clumsy way to put it I'm afraid? ). Up until
that point I have become convinced (subject to revision at short notice
however if a better argument comes along:-? ), that the future outcome of an
event consists of  interweaving/interconnected cluster of 'probables', but
in the end there is only one winner past the post.

Regards,
Glyn

	
#869 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Glyn,

I would  agree with you about the probables..but you
know..Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5
straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10
straight hits..I'm changing my model!  ...G

Kind Regards,

Bill

	
#870 
	From: "Kyriakos" 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 9:03 pm
Subject: RE: RV clearing 	n0mind

  	  	

From a CRV perspective, and please note this is just me pondering.
I had a discussion with a friend about the pendulum.
First off - We agreed that it works.
Then we discussed spirit involvement, (whatever that form may take for any
of us? ).

Using basic CRV theory for Ideograms and the Aesthetic Impact, a possible
answer, and I say possible, is that the pendulum works the same way as the
Ideogram does.

My friend insisted that her hand did not move when she was asking questions
of the pendulum.
After some observation I disagreed with her. I had noticed not her hand
moving, but in some instances her arm, and when she corrected that, her body
would move....the movement was slight but enough to make the pendulum move.

Now, in CRV when you are getting your A.I. Your body is reacting to the
site. It will move and react without you consciously aware of it. Which is
why you need a monitor. Your body is drawing out simple aerograms which
offer YES or NO answers. I would hazard a guess that your subconscious is
becoming aware that you are looking for answers that only it can give and
you are offering a venue through which it can bring that information
forward. In a way you are giving your subconscious a way of communicating
simple answers. And like in CRV in the begining you are spot on and then
after a few attempts the conscious mind catches up and all your answers are
wrong.

Always pondering,

Kyriakos

--------------------------------
Moderator's note: Pendulum work is an ideomotor response.  That is well
documented.  That means essentially, musculature responses usually below the
level of conscious intent to move.  What I can figure out is, prior to this
thought process you note above (good thinking? ), how did you THINK the pendulum
was moving??  Extra gravity?  Evil spirits?  Sorry, don't mean to make fun, but
it IS funny to me -- what was the reasoning prior to deciding it was a physical
movement?  -- PJ

	
#876 
	From: "Kyriakos" 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1:00 am
Subject: RE: RV clearing 	n0mind

  	  	

Hey PJ,

Are you making fun of my obvious ignorance? LOL

I'm not sure if you were asking for a response or not, but I'll respond
anyway.

I never entertained the idea of pendulums in any way, until Jack Houcks
spoon bending party at a CRV conference, and it never really interested me
to be bother with it let alone research it. So any info on this is new to
me.

I never thought of any particular thing controlling the pendulum it was just
a phenomena. It was  a novelty which I felt had a rational explanation.

My friend would think it was her spirit guides and then after she started to
get a little freaked out because she was being consistantly right she
thought it was evil spirits. After I explained to her the
SubConscious/Conscious divide and a little Ideogram theory, she shut down on
me and didn't want to entertain the idea that it could be anything other
than some form of spirit work. oh well.

-------------------------------
Moderator's note: Hi Kyriakos!  No, no, laughing NEAR you not at you ;-? ) --
yeah, I was, thanks for responding. OK, so it could have been a TK thing -- that
makes sense.  By the way, I like your friend apparently assumes that only evil
spirits would be consistently accurate.  That's bizarre but for some reason it
doesn't surprise me!  Tell her it IS an evil spirit moving the pendulum.  You
don't have to tell her the evil spirit is her.  LOL.  PJ

	
#88? 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 5:?4 pm
Subject: RE: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Kyriakos,

I agree fully with that the ideogram and the pendulum
are working the same subconcious entry point for psi
data. Like the ouiga board and other dowsing media,
they are generally considered a result of subconcious
influences on the muscles or in the muscles. Both Lyn
and Pru for instance emphasize getting bodily involved
in the session. But a pendulumn will not always
respond to the signal line..it often responds to other
subconcious cues and preferences or even concious
preferences. These all need to be cleared by some sort
of concious filtering system.. The clearing is the
trick to all dowsing performance in my opinion.  The
best dowsers filter out other impuses the best.

I really think a dialogue between dowsers and RVers
would be beneficial to both.

So it might be very interesting to hear from top
dowsers.about how they FILTER THE SIGNAL LINE....  .

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#865 
	From: "Sharon Webb" 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	sharwebb_3051?

  	  	

Glyn,

I agree...if you add "in any given probability" to the end.  :-? )

Sharon
sharwebb...t
www.fractalus.com/sharon

> the future outcome of an
>  event consists of  interweaving/interconnected
> cluster of 'probables', but
> in the end there is only one winner past the post.

	
#868 
	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Mon Oct ?1, ?00? 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	ozblueriver

  	  	

Hi Bill and Glyn,

I really love this idea of making a definite statement before a session to
instil into the mind that we only want clear, precise information about the
target to come through. I'm going to add it to my 'routine'.

Cheers
Liz

	
#877 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1:09 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Liz

Perhaps making a poem or simple song out of it would
even be more clearing.

Bill..:-? )

> I really love this idea of making a definite
> statement before a session to instil into the mind
> that we only want clear, precise information about
> the target to come through. I'm going to add it to
> my 'routine'.

	
#874 
	
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 1?:?5 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	nitahickok

  	  	

Hi Bill
    I see my own energy patterns and any blockages. I would suggest for
people that can't see this to visualize white light coming in the crown of
their head. Pushing dark energy out of the body into the earth through the
left foot and pulling in light colored energy into the right foot and
circulating it.
    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

	
#878 
	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 8:40 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	ozblueriver

  	  	

Hi Bill,

I think a little song would be good if it had a catchy tune. It would stick in
my head better that way. Good idea!

Liz
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bill Pendragon
   To: pjrv...ps.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October ??, ?00? 4:09 PM
   Subject: Re: [pjrv] RV clearing

   Hi Liz

   Perhaps making a poem or simple song out of it would
   even be more clearing.

   Bill..:-? )

   > I really love this idea of making a definite
   > statement before a session to instil into the mind
   > that we only want clear, precise information about
   > the target to come through. I'm going to add it to
   > my 'routine'.

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#880 
	From: "Sharon Webb" 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 11:53 am
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	sharwebb_3051?

  	  	

Hi,

I have run into that a lot with people who are beginning dowsing or playing
around with a Ouija board.  They say sheepishly, "I think I'm moving it."  My
answer is, "OF COURSE you're moving it.  This isn't an exercise in
psychokinesis."  :-? )? )? )

Sharon
sharwebb...t
www.fractalus.com/sharon

> Pendulum work is an ideomotor response.

	
#881 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? ?:14 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	gebega

  	  	

Hi Bill,

Oh he is so good isn't he?  Did you see the drawing of the shark's head? I
was impressed! :-? ). Some years ago, just as I was getting really interested
in RV, I learned the ARV technique from his site. He always was (and is? )
really friendly and helpful, and found time for me and all my sessions and
questions, and I suspect he is like that to everyone; one of life's
gentlemen I think :-? ).  I must admit I wasn't a success at predicting
correct outcomes though...in fact I was really quite good at the opposite
:-? ) :-? ).

I've signed on for Greg's experiment, so I'm wishing he makes a mint! He
deserves it after all that exercise anyway. LOL!!

Regards,
Glyn

> Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5
> straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10
> straight hits..I'm changing my model!  ...G

	
#884 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Oct ??, ?00? 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	docsavagebill

  	  	

Hi Glyn,

Hey we can both root him on to make us $$$!  Maybe
that's the secret get an army of rooters. Well the
negative psi with ARV is very common..and always
indicates good psychic perception..just some kind of
crossed wires. Perhaps you just need a few 100 people
rooting for you to hit the right one.

bill*
--- Glyn  wrote:
> Hi Bill,
>
> Oh he is so good isn't he?  Did you see the drawing
> of the shark's head? I
> was impressed! :-? ). Some years ago, just as I was
> getting really interested
> in RV, I learned the ARV technique from his site. He
> always was (and is? )
> really friendly and helpful, and found time for me
> and all my sessions and
> questions, and I suspect he is like that to
> everyone; one of life's
> gentlemen I think :-? ).  I must admit I wasn't a
> success at predicting
> correct outcomes though...in fact I was really quite
> good at the opposite
> :-? ) :-? ).
>
> I've signed on for Greg's experiment, so I'm wishing
> he makes a mint! He
> deserves it after all that exercise anyway. LOL!!
>
> Regards,
> Glyn
>
> > Greg K ( www.adventuresofgreg.com? ) is up to 5
> > straight hits and $30,000 now.. If he gets to 10
> > straight hits..I'm changing my model!  ...G
>
>

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#898 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Wed Oct ?3, ?00? 3:04 pm
Subject: Re: RV clearing 	gebega

  	  	

Hi Bill,

  I'm wondering whether negative-psi is the result of some kind of
subconscious 'block'....just like the one that makes me believe I am
absolutely no good at maths......mmm, no on second thoughts perhaps that's
because I 'm *not* any good at maths :-? )? ). I've heard it before that
psi-missing can be as significant as 'hitting', but what the heck do you
think is going on when that happens? Personally, I'd prefer the hits :-? ).

Yes, I do hope Greg does really really well ;-? )? )
Grins from,
Glyn