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pjrv : Messages : ?604-?685 of 4038 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pjrv/messages/?604?? ) ?006/07/01 00:11:19
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#?604 From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Mon Mar 10, ?003 6:?3 pm Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg terri8008 Glad to read this PJ (aka nbr1 JoeM fan club? ), realizing that HRVG is on or monitoring your list, I really quit caring, and when the IRVA came into being, well.. everyone seem to magically become .. buddie$$ (you back me, I'll back you? ) kinda sugar sweet actually, gave me cavities. Everyone started to get along in a kinder gentler way- which was needed.. big time. I never did see "the" letter of verification or validation from JoeM, just a blurb on the HRVG bulletin board, (but I miss much? ), and it all took off from there (the story grew? ). I was confused, but whats new, and who cares. Nothing against Glenn or HRVG, except various highfalutin claims that were never ever verified, and absolutely no one knew him.. ever.. except (all of a sudden? ) Jon.. Joni.. jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames as I recall (It should be in the archives as I do recall it and was rather shocked no one took off with it? ), so I figured that was in reality the only and ever RV connection, and not (yet? ) another top secret (buried? ) RV program (as was alluded? ) ... simply he had trained under Dames in the early days, during Dames early days/daze/craze, and didn't want to fess up... it was a simple as all that. (I've ? cousins who have made a career of SRI and Livermore, both have been exposed to RV? ) I've a friend who took Skips (TMI? ) first RV program at Monroe, and was rather surprised to here that Skip said if you want 'structure' go to HRVG. (now I was not there to hear this first hand? ) but my friend is a total novice to RV and couldn't, wouldn't have fabricated, so.. I expect it's true. HRVG is structure to the max, and I have seen very good if not excellent posted sessions at the site, but no more 'excellence' ( considering the (implied? ) volume of students? ) than any other structured 'method' I have to add. But I've thought in the past (because of what I've seen and what it's capable of producing IMO? ).. when I have the time and energy of learning the rigorous HRVG methodology. The recent thread on RV paranoia (I don't think the "Govt" monitors us etc,I think IMO thats incredibly ridiculous? ) .. that (topic? ) comes around every 60 days, I consider it sensationalism, vie for attention, nothing more or less, the 100th monkey I'll buy, a given aka evolution. I've often said the govt. doesn't need to misinform (disinformation? ), the public creates it all by themselves (gladly? ). Anyway, glad to see you air-out, and I don't keep up with list mail as I once did, don't really care to contribute much, but would prefer to be kept on board. all the best ~T~ #?610 From: "smitty97006" Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 5:13 am Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg smitty97006 > Terri wrote: > Nothing against Glenn or HRVG, except various > highfalutin claims that were > never ever verified, and absolutely no one knew him.. > ever.. except (all of a > sudden? ) Jon.. Joni.. jonena (whatever the/her name? ), > from Dames clan, she > stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames > as I recall (It should > be in the archives as I do recall it and was rather > shocked no one took off > with it? ), so I figured that was in reality the only > and ever RV connection, > and not (yet? ) another top secret (buried? ) RV program > (as was alluded? ) ... > simply he had trained under Dames in the early days, > during Dames early > days/daze/craze, and didn't want to fess up... it was > a simple as all that. I'm not sure I've completely grasped what you're saying here. But I am positive Jonina Dourif has never stated that Glen Wheaton trained at any time under Ed Dames. It has been said, I'm not completely clear by whom, that Glen purchased one of the first training tapes put out by Psitech and shortly thereafter some of the HRVG methods were tweaked in regards to the production of multiple ideograms as was taught by Psitech on their tape. And I've read that Dick Algire did apply to get trained at Psitech but was turned away and then went to Courtney Brown for training prior to his hooking up with Glen Wheaton at The HRVG. Perhaps one of those two instances are what you were thinking of. Sincerely, Gene Smith ------------------------- Moderator's note: Short of BEING her, it's hard to be positive about anything, as her range of historical statements is pretty... er, far-ranging. But if it's in the StarGate archives as Terri thinks, I suppose it could be searched for. I actually read through all of them one time, about 9 months ago, don't remember seeing that, but then I don't remember all of them for sure! PJ #?6?? From: aeonblueau8008... Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 11:16 am Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg terri8008 hmmmm Gene and PJ, I did a bit of a search in Stargate, but nope I didn't come across Joni's statement. Her letter came right before I was once again booted off stargate by the gestapo (my pet name for Angela? ), I remember my offending post (which contained a miss-spelled word? ) and the aprox year, not the month.. but I don't even find that post, possibly removed from list archives for puritanical reasons, quite possibly all the bickering was removed, but I really didn't search that hard.. still I didn't really see much of it. (ole Ed Morgan fared much better than I ever did, I used to get a kick out of him? ) Glenn sorta surfaced a few times to test the waters as I saw it (early on, on Stargate? ), then eventually Dick came on as the HRVG mouthpiece, which he does a good job. Eventually after the first IRVA conference, things seemed to really get hunky-dory, everyone lightened up,aka HRVG was accepted, as should be. (as it is just one man's tweaking of the system/RV, same as any other RV method? ) Best thing to do is drop her (dourif? )a note if anyone is that interested. (I'm not shure but I think I still have the banned from psi tech t-shirt? ). (I think I own a banned from everything t-shirt.. and I haven't even started in on Moorehouse yet. . . JUS KIDDING? ) Thinking back on it, didn't Dames have a residence in Hawaii with his wife, that would have tied in with Glenn (sorry Glenn don't mean to chat as tho your not here? ), as that's where he was located or stationed at the time, as I recall quite and endless earful from Yaana, and that was way way back to very early HRVG. At that time there were just ? public, Dames, then Brown (they would have been the only RV exposure or trainers 'out there' at that time frame? ), Ingo on the side, a very quiet side, and the dispute was warring over could you teach any RV/ERV via the net.... IMAGINE that! :? ) picky picky picky . . . :? )? )? )? )? )? )? )? )? ) oy.. such tales.. but I was never there and didn't care, but heard a lot second hand from folks I trusted and knew first hand, with no reason to fabricate. oh... ok, (as? ) I remember now. Dames was in Hawaii, and a friend of mine visited and Dames gave over a box of tapes, early psi tech stuff, training.. Angela dearly wanted these dusty things (forever trying to figure this RV thing out? ) but the tapes went to Paul. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. whatever. all the best, Terri~~* ---------------------- Moderator's note: Ed lists a PO box on Kihei for some of his marketing domains, at least, those not owned by Brent Miller. It's funny IMO to hear anybody, even myself, talk about perceptions of "the old days". Don't start on Yaana -- whom I miss -- now that COULD bring up politics but no worse than some others I imagine. ;-? ) Now me, I think I've only been kicked off one list -- well actually, I had four posts deleted and THEN was kicked off, and all this in less than 4 hours! -- that was my first re-venture out into RV land last July, when Ralph Burton decided I was a flaming butthead. I was. LOL. PJ #?6?6 From: Bill Pendragon Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Re: List ousting docsavagebill Hi PJ, Terri, I think I own some kind of list record. I was kicked off and asked back onto the same list 3 times! So I don't take these things personally. Bill #?6?3 From: Richard Krankoski Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg Rich_crv > Terri aeonblueau8008...rote: > jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she > stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames I do not recall that scenario. It sure would have been odd that no one followed up on it. Also, Joni posts were pretty rare and rather noticeable. Anyone else recall this? Rich #?648 From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m Date: Wed Mar 1?, ?003 10:57 pm Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg maliolana Aloha, Glen does not deny his affiliation with Dames...He did train with him...(Maui? )He even at one point going to go in business with him...(some years ago? )...I read this at HRVG... Love & Light & Laughter Mali'o...aka...Dawna > Terri aeonblueau8008...rote: > jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she > stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames #?685 From: Juha Koskelainen Date: Fri Mar 14, ?003 ?:56 am Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg velhox > On Wed, 1? Mar ?003 Dawna wrote: > Glen does not deny his affiliation with Dames...He did train with > him...(Maui? )He even at one point going to go > in business with him...(some years ago? )...I read this at HRVG... Uh, no. Glenn did not train with Dames. Glenn is not 'affiliated' with Dames. He did buy the first set of TRV tapes when they came out. And he did spend some time at Psitech's online chat back when it was the (only?? ) venue for RV discussion. - Lucid

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