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#1423
 	From: "David Humphries" 
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:24 am
Subject: Meditation method 	a_healey56

  	  	

> Don wrote:
> The method I use goes something like this:

Don,

The more of your posts I read, the better I like you.  There are so many of
your posts that I want to respond to, and I just don't have the time.  You
sound to me like you have a great common sense approach to most of this, and
common sense, as you know, isn't too common. ;-) (Maybe I'm just biased
because we think so much alike.)

Your method sounds almost exactly like the one I developed when I was first
told about remote viewing and knew very little about it (I was told about RV
by people who I would tell my meditation stories to), and consequently, the
one that I did - and still do - get my best results with.  I'm new at RV
(about eight or nine months now) and still experiment with a lot of
different methods that people on the different lists suggest.  On one hand I
think I should try what the "experts" have passed down to their students,
and I have been surprised to find out that I get some good results with
these different methods from time to time.  But on the other hand, I've
always had this nagging feeling that the way I originally did it with no
help from anyone (like the way you explain above) is the best way for me.
The downside is that it takes a little longer, and I really have to put
everything I have into it to do a good job.  But I think the results are
well worth it.  Meditating - learning to focus and concentrate intently for
extended periods of time - is hard work.  It can be exhausting, and it takes
lots of dedication to learn to do it effectively.  If you read the writings
of people like Patanjali, it sounds like the Tibetan lamas and monks have
been doing something very similar to remote viewing for over 2000 years,
with meditation as their sole means.  When I first joined a couple of RV
lists, my mantra was that people should learn to meditate first, and learn
to RV after they become proficient meditators.  I changed that because I
know there are different strokes for different folks, but I think this is
what works best for me.  I think that what I'll probably end up with is an
unorthodox quasi-ERV-type method, with several perspectives and insights
I've gleaned from a number of people on the lists about CRV and CRV
derivatives.

David

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#1436
 	From: greenmn900...
Date: Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:39 am
Subject: Re: Meditation method 	greenmn900...

  	  	

David,

Thanks for those kind words.  I'm no expert by any means.  I learned the hard
way, pretty much exactly like you're doing.  Just understand the blinding
rules and practice, practice, practice.  I tried to impose more structure on
my method, too, but it never seemed to work for me.  I've been able to add
some new things like scrying and map-dowsing, but I've never been able to use
any of the CRV stuff with any results.  Like you said, maybe we are all best
at what we start off with.

When I first started RVing, I hadn't meditated in years and it was really
tough, exhausting, like you said.  My wife had a self-hypnosis tape that was
supposed to be designed to encourage out-of-body experiences, so I tried
useing that.  It had a long period on it of total silence (at which time the
listener was supposed to be OOB).  During that silent period I would try to
RV.  It really worked well.  It made the meditation a lot easier and I didn't
have to work so hard at it.  Over time I used it less and less and I rarely
use it any more.  I tried several other tapes put out by different people.
The only difference I could tell between them was that some I just liked
better than others.  None of them really made a big difference in my accuracy
or anything.

I think your approach of trying all kinds of different methods is really the
best, most intelligent way to go.  You never know what might be helpful and
the only way to learn is to try each one.  And I think much of the classic
CRV methods can be changed slightly or modified to fit in with whatever works
best for any person.  We probably all respond differently to varying amounts
and kinds of stucture as well.

Best Regards,
Don