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#1825
 	From: "liansidorov71 " 
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:05 pm
Subject: Multiple viewer protocol variations 	liansidorov71

  	  	

I am trying to find out what type of protocol variations have been
attempted so far which involve several viewers. I remember reading
that multiple identically tasked sessions do not generally increase
the accuracy of the result because the viewers involved often tend to
get very similar data, even wrong similar data, due to some form of
telepathic overlay.

What else has been tried?

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#1828
 	From: Dee Leslie 
Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: Multiple viewer protocol variations 	myratadee

  	  	

Hi!  It has been my experience that viewers give
different perspectives on targets.  Going to the wrong
target or getting similar wrong data often has a root
cause, such as preparing more than one target at a
time or the tasker not being attentive to the process
or the viewers being told after the session that they
viewed the other session, therefore going to the wrong
one.  What we experience in the past, present and
future related to a target, influences the target
session.

So, consider target 'connectedness' at all times in
order to determine target influences.

SRVA taskings often include the same set of movement
exercises for each viewer.  We are not finding that
the group is describing identical elements.  Each of
us seems to have our own strengths.  I tend to
describe sessions from an instructional viewpoint.
Another tends to sketch the elements of the target
quite well while another can do the geographical
aspects extremely well even though we all have the
same target, same aspects to see, etc.

Dee Leslie
Certified SRV Instructor

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#1832
 	From: "PJ Gaenir " 
Date: Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: Multiple viewer protocol variations 	dennanm

  	  	

Hi again Lian,

> I am trying to find out what type of
> protocol variations have been
> attempted so far which involve several viewers.

Quite a few in the lab, but I certainly haven't got the list.

> I remember reading
> that multiple identically tasked sessions
> do not generally increase
> the accuracy of the result because the
> viewers involved often tend to
> get very similar data, even wrong similar
> data, due to some form of
> telepathic overlay.

There's quite a bit to this subject difficult to cover in one email.

First off, it is true that multiple viewers generally won't make
something more accurate -- but it might provide additional data.

Second, it is true that viewers on a team will often seem to have a
rapport that creates 'overlay' -- this is usually called 'sheep and
goats' in psi research -- people often take what they're comfortable
with, e.g., if a viewer they respect got an elephant in a target, it
doesn't matter how wrong it is, others who respect that viewer might
get the same info; a sort of follow the leader, psychically.

This is not always true.  And it may or may not relate to "identical
tasking".  Some people believe that using the same tasking number or
the same words will cause overlay.  I think it varies; it does appear
that the people who most believe in overlay get it most.  Some
taskers just simply avoid ever tasking the identical thing to two
people, so they never really worry about that, but they task
very "closely" -- e.g., 10 different viewers might be getting info on
different close aspects of something, and that can provide additional
data, without necessarily putting them all in the same tasking boat.

One issue with looking at what has been done in research vs. what
works for Jane Q. Public or layman's groups, is that the psychics in
the lab are kick ass viewers.  They don't have a lot of the
inexperience based weaknesses that most people learning do.  So
sometimes in the "real world", things seem to work differently.

Regards,
PJ