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#1637
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Thu Dec 5, 2002 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Paintings as energy 	ozblueriver

  	  	

G'day PJ,

> PJ:
> OK.  Maybe not knowing it was really an OBE is not that weird. :-)

   LIZ:
   LOL The trouble is that I've experienced lots of stuff but never been able to
talk about it until now, so all of a sudden I'm having to find the correct
labels for these experiences so that other people know what I'm talking about
and visa versa.

> PJ:
> Well dang Liz, normally they are experienced that way - but not always - leave
it to you to have something really cool and unusual enough to leave us with more
questions than answers, LOL!

   LIZ:
   Yeah. No matter what the subject I can never neatly fit in a box. LOL

> PJ:
> I did once have a very interesting experience related to time, in a way,
> though.  When I was a kid, I used to daydream that "a big me" -- me in the
> future, big enough and fearless enough to defend me from my
> stepmother -- would somehow, some way, come and save me.  .......CUT....
> I was really intrigued for quite awhile, wondering, did I really go back
> in time even mentally, or was I just talking to my own psychology?

   LIZ:
   I've done a similar thing on a few occassions and always wondered if the
'little' me got the message.

   That story reminds me that over the years I've noticed that an awful lot of
people who have psychic abilities seem to have had to endure a tough childhood.
It makes me wonder if our psychic abilities are hightened as a result of needing
to be on alert as a child.

> PJ:
> I heard of a scientology technique for attempting to goliterally back in
> time.  I had an acquaintance who worked very hard at this, went back to tell
> herself something, and then remembered having as a child met this woman (who
> looked like she did then) and it actually frightened her and she ceased
> attempting that.

   LIZ:
   Can you tell us what that technique is? It sounds interesting.

> PJ:
> Then again, maybe I am just a residual energy signature, LOL!

   LIZ:
   Yeah. You could be. LOL

   LIZ:
   I loved your 'painting' experiences. Wow! They were far more interesting than
mine. The bit about twining together is very reminescent of the DNA double
helix.
   Don't you think sex would be so cool in another dimention where we could
entwine and blend etc. I've always wanted to try and do it in another state with
a partner of the 'physical' variety. What I mean is to try and meet in the
astral and go for it. LOL

   Everytime I do a new painting I wonder about the importance of creating a 'new
world'. It's quite a fascinating concept. I am literally the creator of a whole
new world every time I put paint on paper! Even your little black stick figures
can take on a life of their own in their little stick world that you have
created just by drawing it. :) How empowered does that make you feel. What are
your little stick figures getting up to while you are away? LOL Which leads me
to wonder if we are 'Gods' stick figures. LOL

   All that happened in my painting experience was that the actual painting
became 3D. It had a black background and orange poppies sprayed across it. When
I went into it I walked through the poppies as if I were walking through a field
of them. Nothing was added. There was no earth to walk on and no sky as such,
only what was in the paining but what was there went from being 2D to 3D. But
the poppies blew in the breeze and they had texture etc. While in the painting I
just knew that I could have picked one but I was so amazed by it all that I
changed nothing.

   A similar thing was portrayed in the movie 'A Field of Dreams' with Robyne
Williams.

   Cheers
   Liz

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#1649
 	From: "Sharon Webb" 
Date: Fri Dec 6, 2002 11:06 am
Subject: Re: Re: Paintings as energy 	sharwebb_30512

  	  	

Hi,

A number of times I've entered fractals.  They become 3D, and I go sliding down
spirals, and leaping from point to point.  Sorta like a carnival ride, only much
prettier.

Sharon
sharwebb...net
www.fractalus.com/sharon

> Liz wrote:
> All that happened in my painting experience
> was that the actual painting became 3D. It
> had a black background and orange poppies
> sprayed across it. When I went into it I
> walked through the poppies as if I were walking
> through a field of them. Nothing was added.
> There was no earth to walk on and no sky as such,
> only what was in the paining but what was there
> went from being 2D to 3D. But the poppies blew
> in the breeze and they had texture etc. While
> in the painting I just knew that I could have
> picked one but I was so amazed by it all that I
> changed nothing.

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#1718
 	From: "Eva " 
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:31 am
Subject: What are we describing? Was-Re: Paintings as energy 	k9caninek9

  	  	

One thing about OBEs and mental travel is that you realize that only
about 5% of the experience can transfer successfully back to the
conscious state and even that is difficult to put into words.  That's
probably a lot of the reason it all sounds so dumb to the skeptics!
Anyway, so I suspect that what we consciously remember of those other
places is like a shadow of the truth.  That might be way each person
seems to get a slightly diff perspective on what the universe is made
out of.  For instance, you might perceive fractals.  To me, it's more
like diff kinds of vibrations and angles of incline.  Others talk
about colors and sounds.  But I'm willing to bet we are all trying to
describe a similar phenomenon, something very complex that has fine
gradations of difference and intermixing that our conscious mind has
very little ability to comprehend.
-E

> Sharon W wrote:
> A number of times I've entered fractals.
> They become 3D, and I go sliding down spirals,
> and leaping from point to point.  Sorta like a
> carnival ride, only much prettier.