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#1465
 	From: Karl Boyken 
Date: Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: RV History 	kboyken
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PJ, from what I remember reading, Atwater didn't select the first
military RVers based on any ability or lack thereof.  He was
looking for people who were open to the possibility of psi, but
not true believers.  And, regarding the CRV-trained group, Lyn
Buchanan was selected to train because he was said to have
snafued a bunch of computer equipment psychically, if I remember
right, so Lyn, at least, was selected because someone believed he
was a natural.  And, anyway, Swann believed (and I think Puthoff
and Targ concurred) that everyone is a natural, possessing at
least some degree of psi ability, so from that point of view, the
whole idea of selecting trainees based on whether or not they
were naturals would have been a nonsequiter.

Karl

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Moderator's note: Hi Karl, you are right about Atwater, but he was part of
selecting people for the next phase(test in lab), not place directly in the unit
from that first selection process, it was a multi-stage recruitment.  *After*
testing, *some* of the people were asked to join the unit.  That is why I said
ability was tested for the initial team. 2) Lyn was not in the CRV trainees so
is not in the group I addressed as chosen for Ingo's reasons. Lyn was reviewed
by McMoneagle, as Joe mentions in his current book, and thought to potentially
have 'talent'; he was set up for review by Stubblebine.  3) All scientists in
psi concede that psi must be innate to humans and hence everybody has got some.
However that very science is what has eventually determined that a damn tiny %
have the ability to be of the price/swann/mcmoneagle caliber.  (Mind you, most
of the RV community is such a tiny self-selected % already, I assume most of us
probably do.) Russell sells books and seminars and speaking engagements muchly
based on 'training' in seminar-format in the "anybody can do this" philosophy;
but that most anybody can do it is not in dispute even with the most
conservative. Doing it consistently over a period of time is what the whole
picture must include. Nearly anyone out of the starting gate, especially if they
are not working doubleblind (Targ often, if not usually, works non-doubleblind
in his seminars, according to some there) can occasionally get a hit and amaze
themselves. The "everybody is psi" is a generalization that makes a lot of
people a lot of money, but does not really address in a fair way the scientific
data on just 'how' psi 'how' many people are. ;-) Part of the recruitment
process for the initial unit members in 1977 included testing. Joe had
apparently the highest hit-match; hence, Viewer 
#001.
 -- PJ