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#1854
 	From: "Tree ." 
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	busywait
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Hi everyone ~

Coming out of newbie lurkdom to ask if anyone on the
list has encountered a remonte viewer with
synesthesia, and if that helps or hinders the RV
process?  I have it and wonder if it will skew or help
my results.

Synesthesia is a neurological condition in which
senses overlap. My form involves letters and
colors(and textures). Some folks have sound/color
synesthesia.

For example, I can remember peoples names by how I
"perceive" their name.  PJ for instance, feels to me
like the colors orange and yellow twined together and
has a rubbery texture.

I know it sounds crazy and I'm not explaining it very
well, here's a link to a more coherent one:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/hstories/hr080796.htm

I'm enjoying the conversations on the list very much,
and am learning a lot!

Thanks for listening.

Best Regards,
Tree

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#1856
 	From: "PJ Gaenir " 
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	dennanm
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Hi Tree,

Actually some viewers have commented that they get mild synasthesia
effects in viewing - when they don't have them otherwise.

It really does appear to me that everything's energy and it's merely
how we interpret it -- and we could interpret it really in ANY way;
it is our culture that usually teaches us to interpret something in
the way we do.

Perhaps in some other reality, there is all the same information, but
it's perceived through different senses, wouldn't that be odd!  Alice
in Wonderland.

I have gotten flecks of synasthesia but not in session.  For example,
due to a powerful dream once I sort of grafted on the numbers two and
eight and the color red, to the point where I so associated them that
I might communicate one instead of the other I was intending, or
perceive one instead of the one that really came to me.

Prior to that, I often had problems with association/interpretion of
the letter R and the number 8 (which this could be said to relate to
shape, B would match better, so I don't think that's it).

I also had a lot of experiences of a language that was in "internal
geometries" is the only way to put it, and this had side effects
where I could "feel" what a shape 'meant' or in fact, 'feel' almost
anything as something different (e.g. if I'd asked myself, 'what
color is he?' I could have easily gotten an answer from myself, but
could have done it with ANY sense).

As part of that (I think), I also often 'felt' the shape
of 'language' - as if sound was a shape, and meaning had a shape like
that geometric language, but alas, english did NOT at all well match
its shape-sounds to its shape-meanings.

I think much of RV is an abstract process that could very well spark
synasthesia, since one is getting the energy of something
and 'translating' in a way different than we've been practicing since
birth, for the most part.

I would suspect that as long as your RV process understood it (e.g.,
yellow and orange and rubbery in a session would likely lead an
analyst to look for yellow and orange and rubbery, and it might not
be there!), it might have some rather offbeat but interesting
advantages...

Especially if you could try and "deliberately" use it and even expand
it.

Regards,
PJ

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#1857
 	From: "PJ Gaenir " 
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	dennanm
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OK after sending that my brain kept working....

You know what?  I think maybe synesthesia is actually a HUGE part of
remote viewing --

Not ordinary, "consistent" synesthesia in people who know they have
it, but rather, INconsistent synesthesia in people who are learning
to translate 'energy' into 'things/concepts'.

Maybe when I repeatedly get 'red' in a target that doesn't have it,
which otherwise has very good target contact, it is that I am wrongly
translating an energy which might actually be something else, for
whatever reason my brain is 'grafting onto red', some association,
god only knows what.

We've talked here about "symbolic" data.  E.g., maybe for some
people, a waterfall is represented by a starburst, or something like
that which seems to have no relation at all to the actual 'thing',
and only by repetition w/feedback does one learn what one's personal
symbols are.  (This doesn't start on the REALLY symbolic data, like
the mini-movies or such.)

Maybe such 'symbolic data' is more accurately referred to as a form
of synesthesia.  For that person, *fairly consistently* (at least for
awhile, or for some viewers, in some cases!), whenever they perceive
X, it feels like Y to them.

I believe that it's never really just sensories; I believe it's a
CONCEPT association that simply often is known as sensories. For
example Tree you might perceive a color or texture for a certain name
or person; but I imagine it's just as possible that one could
perceive something else -- say, "depth" or "apprehension" or
something -- for a given thing, just depending on the person.

I'm thinking all the sudden that maybe, in reality, the issue of
synesthesia is HIGHLY central to remote viewing as a process.  That
it might tie very strongly into our issues with data, accuracy,
symbology, etc.

PJ

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#1858
 	From: "Eva " 
Date: Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	k9caninek9
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I think of ideograms as learned synesthesia.  You are teaching
yourself to associate certain feelings to a lead marking.  It's kinda
weird when you think about.  (what I mean is slightly weirder than
the rest of it..)
-E

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#1865
 	From: "Tree ." 
Date: Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	busywait
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Hi all ~

Thanks for the insightful comments on synesthesia, I
was alternating between worrying if it would hinder or
help, although Don is right, I have learned to work
around it. In a way, it actually acts as a mnemonic
device. I use it to recall events, people and places.
(helps a bit when you're studying for finals!) Now
that I'm thinking of it, I don't get the same
synesthetic 'feel' for things named the same.  For
example, one woman named Jane could be percieved
differently than another Jane.

So for now, I'm just trying to keep an empty head and
not get any preconcieved blocks. I'm reading Mr.
McMoneagle's book and learning quite a lot from you
folks.  Thanks for listening!

Brgds,
Tree

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#1878
 	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Synesthesia 	docsavagebill
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Hi Tree,

I've heard both Liam and Lyn emphasize that they
received their most important input by FEELING things
that normally one saw or heard or simply understood..
so this seems like synthesia to me is desirable trait
to me ..

Bill*

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#1880
 	From: jsentient...
Date: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Synesthesia 	jsentient
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Hi Tree,

I have wondered about synesthesia in relation to rv myself.  Unfortunately, I
have no answer, no theories.  I experience synesthesia in normal everyday
consciousness (mostly numbers to colors and vis versa).  It wasn't until
adulthood that I realized this was unique.

I have not yet experienced synesthesia that I know of -- in my remote viewing
perception.  Nonetheless, it has occurred to me, synesthesia could offer a
clue  toward uderstanding rv.  Because you mentioned it on this list, I felt
perhaps I should post / share that I am synethesic and also a successful
rv'r,,,,,for whatever that's worth.

I am also a (not so good) violinist and an amateur artist.  I understand
there are studies that indicate associations between these skills/tendancies
and rv.  The thought I have is that it is the creative instinct in general
that may be key.  It seems to me synethesia would be adaptive / supportive of
creativity.

The discussion of symbols, analogy, allegory, and metaphor seem along the
same line of inquiry to me, and perhaps even more promising/interesting.
Maybe we are asking what is the role of association, representation, or
abstraction.

Hmmm, a little off track, but I'll mention it, , , , ,I believe Joe M once
said or wrote that he felt the number one thing that serves to produce (or be
a common denominator in) rv skill is a troubled or traumatic childhood.  I
could be mistaken in that, but in any event, I don't recall that he
elaborated.  And I can't imagine a connection, or more specifically, why that
would be true, (however if so, I qualify in that count as well).

Well anyway, your question -- synesthesia --  was a great question indeed.
My short response:  You are not alone.  Good luck to you,,,,,especially in
viewing.

J

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#1863
 	From: greenmn900...
Date: Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:57 am
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	greenmn900...
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Tree.
Synesthesia is completely new to me.  I recall having heard of it before, but
I didn't realize what it was.

Given that it involves how one processes perceptions, it COULD have an effect
on RV performance.  But it could be that it may just help instead of
hindering.  A big part of RV is learning to interpret your symbology and also
translating the exact meaning of very quick, fleeting impressions that may be
a combination of visual, auditory, and associated feelings hitting you very
briefly but all at once.  It sounds like synesthesia has forced you to learn
to do that already, in a way.  So, you could have a head start on the average
person.  Who knows?

That's about all I can offer.  I'd suggest asking someone to make some
targets for you and giving it a try.  Good luck.
Best Regards,
Don

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#1867
 	From: "Eva " 
Date: Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:27 am
Subject: Re: Synesthesia 	k9caninek9
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I wouldnt' expect it to be any serious hinderance, that's for sure.
Everyone has to explore how their mind works as they learn rv and for
everyone that is a slightly diff process anyway.  Someone with
synethesia may just have an added aspect of themselves to observe and
integrate into the process as they learn.
-E