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#743 
	From: "Nita...ulse.com" 
Date: Mon Oct 7, 2002 10:35 pm
Subject: Two Interesting books 	nitahickok
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Hello Everyone

    I have read two interesting books lately.One is "Trapped in the Mirror."
by Elan Golomb PH.D. It is about Narcissists and the victim of Narcissists.
A lot of the problem people I know about in a number of fields fit this
description. It is really interesting and a must read for anyone who has
problem people in their life.

    I have run into a lot of people in the RV field and interestingly enough
in the work I do. They have all the symptoms of being a narcissist
Narcissists live in their own world and anything that threatens their
reality raises their hackles where they argue with everyone to prove that
they are right. (Stargate anyone?)

    The other book is "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. It shows that
sometimes we sabotage our own success by identifying everything with the
thinking part of us. It gives methods and exercises to over come this and
show us how living in the Now is important.

    I have used a lot of his techniques and it has brought me a great deal of
relaxation and inner peace. It has happened when I have been going through
stressful times which would normally have me upset on the inside for awhile.
It enables you to keep your cool and be objective while ignoring the left
side of your brain. It should be a big help with RV.

    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

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#751 
	From: "PJ Gaenir" 
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 11:51 am
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	dennanm
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Thanks for the book notes Nita, I'm always looking for things to
invoke parts of me I haven't met yet....

> A lot of the problem people I know about in
> a number of fields fit this
> description. It is really interesting and a
> must read for anyone who has
> problem people in their life.

Hmmmn, and that would be like... everybody, I think. :-)

> They have all the symptoms of being a narcissist
> Narcissists live in their own world and
> anything that threatens their
> reality raises their hackles where they
> argue with everyone to prove that
> they are right. (Stargate anyone?)

I think this would sum up like... everybody I know. :-)  Well no,
that's not true.  I know a few people beyond that. Very few.

But I think everybody has a wholly subjective reality, and their
entire relationship with everything is based on the assumptions they
hold related to how they perceive it (and perceive themselves within
it).  Anything that threatens their reality will threaten their
identity, and so spark creative efforts to keep that vision in place.

In the RV world there are a few people who are just borderline
schizophrenic.  They seem to be genuine people who are somewhat
creative, problem is, the minute they create something, they utterly
believe that it is true.  So, they can then present this with the
same believable quality of genuine that they do anything else.  It
causes no end of confusion for people associating with them -- as
this sort of accidentally-but-totally-lying does around anybody.
Well, there are some who are NOT so believable, and thank God for
that :-).  I agree 'ego' is a huge, huge problem in the RV field and
you can see it all around.  I think mental and emotional instability
are right there behind in the mix though.

> The other book is "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. [...]
> It gives methods and exercises to over come this and
> show us how living in the Now is important.

I'll pick that up.  It's been my experience that the concept of "the
present of the point of power" (as Seth termed it) is utterly
critical for accomplishing what some call magic and what I call just
having a decent ability to perceive and affect what one is creating
in their reality.  If I spend even 10 days really focusing on the NOW
constantly (reminding myself), the level of synchronicity,
spontaneous psi, spontaneous 'knowing' etc. starts to exponentially
rise.

Embarrassing as it is to admit, the primary problem is paying
attention.  I seem to have a difficult time remembering to pay
attention to anything beyond amoeba-like response to what is going on
in my environment. I get so mad, you know, like is it SO MUCH to ask
that I spend even 2 minutes, a few times a day, being aware? Thinking
about something of import besides my job and kid and communications?

It is something I am kind of struggling with personally right now.  I
seem to have like 'cycles'.  I will suddenly start being aware,
paying attention, meditating, doing RV, and will have some really
great 'jumps' in my growth process, and then it clears... it is like
the Reichian cycle of orgasm (for those not familiar with Reich, this
is something he applied to ALL life, not just to sex :-)), of the
growing-more-aware, growing more excited, exponentially doing so and
then a sort of ultimate muscle spasm and then profound release and
then falling back to the passive/static/waiting point again.  This
kind of cycle seems to be happening in my exploration of self, so
that at one point I'm "totally into" my experiences and learning and
then wow, some really great new thing, and then a short time later,
I'm not doing anything - no meditations, no RV sessions, I'm just
existing.  Then I'll usually feel inclined to read some book, which
starts me back on the upswing process again.  I know this is a
natural cycle but I sort of wished it would happen faster. :-)

(I know... I'm impatient...)

PJ

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#757 
	From: "Nita...ulse.com" 
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Two Interesting books 	nitahickok
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Hi PJ

    I may take a bit with this message. Narcissists are in their own reality
but the difference is that they expect you to be in their reality also. They
plan out what you are supposed to do and get mad if you don't react the same
way to validate their world.

    They are very self-centered and dispose of people who won't play their
games. They also put their mental trips upon you and sometimes their
hostilities also. They are very controlling and try to make it where the
person has no independence so they have to react the exact way that they
want them to react.

    My family is like this and the only time I really broke free from all
their influences was when I quit playing the part of a pawn in their mental
games. They are really pushing all their fears and insecurities on someone
else and blaming them for their life.

    It was a amazing book for me because I saw without any counseling or help
I had made the best decisions for me. They are very controlling people. I
credit my Dad who was not a narcissist for giving me a break and showing me
reality. I also credit my younger sister who was my Mom's prime target where
she didn't have time to concentrate upon me.

    Now onto the power of Now. I access the Now all of the time and it is a
great way to do psychic input. I have a lot of problem people that I am
helping all of the time. I do my best but problem people cause stress. I
have a husband who hates computers and wants me to fuss over him and pay
attention to him. He isn't bad because I enjoy doing a little bit of that
anyway. His timing can be the pits alot of times. Husbands and childrens
have a radar for when you need to concentrate the most. I have some other
responsibilities that make a difference also.

    The power of Now makes it where you can deal with all the problems in a
different way and get rid of a lot of the problems by a new way of thinking.
It is the first time I have heard it put in the way this author has done. It
is a mix of almost all the religions and disagrees with none of them. It is
great for resolving the very problems that keep you from being able to
center, ground and use any psychic abilitites that a person might have.

    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

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#760 
	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Two Interesting books 	maliolana
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Aloha PJ,

> I know this is a natural cycle but I sort of
> wished it would happen faster. :-)

I have a similar MO...Vivi reminded me of biorythyms the other day...and
so I had them on my mind... in regard to RV and everything else...life in
general...I thought it might be comparble/in a similiar catagory ...to
sidereal time...

While I was perusing through the stargate archives...I read an old post
by Ralph Burton...he gave an url for a free biorythym graph...that charts
ones biorythyms for a year...I was amazed many years ago ...when I first
discovered biorythyms...and it was quite effective in my life...and then
I broke my little charting dial/clock...and forgot about them...but now I
have a new one...and here it is...

http://www.arakni.com/biorhythm/main.html

I would love to hear anyones results with keeping track of their
intuitional/intellectual/emotional/physical cycles and how they effect
sessions...I am only just beginning to pay attention to them again...it
could
be meaningful...and is...at least in regards to full spectrum self
knowledge......and perhaps even to RV/psi...

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

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#746 
	From: Karl Boyken 
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 8:51 am
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	kboyken
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Nita, I second your vote for The Power of Now.  Tolle and someone who
works with him give workshops--has anyone on the list attended one?

Karl

>    The other book is "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle. It shows that
> sometimes we sabotage our own success by identifying everything with the
> thinking part of us. It gives methods and exercises to over come this and
> show us how living in the Now is important.

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#750 
	From: joan003...nk.net
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 8:38 am
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	joanie003
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Nita,

The two books that you mention sound very interesting and I plan to check
them out.  Thank You for mentioning them :-)))

I have also witnessed the attempts both insidious and obvious to incite
divisiveness in the RV community and it seems it's one of those perennial
problems that come with being stuck sometimes in our "boxes" or tunnel
visioned realities.

I think the antidote for this is to dispassionately (and without the
injected dramas that seem to occur) educate folks about both the
similarities AND the differences among the various training methodologies.
So far what I've seen is that with CRV's focus on literal targets and
literal data, the training itself actually helps to train one's mind
towards discernment of the existence of very real literal 3D data and over
time, with this discipline to be able to explain things in great
detail..thus your sessions that may be 100's of pages long or more if you
are working a case in great detail and over many weeks.    This having come
from out of the military and mostly applied to the kinds of applications
for which that kind of data is needed and in fact, crucial...highly
MISSION-CRITICAL...thus the CRVers fierce protection of their
methodologies.   The focus and the goal is intended to be accuracy of data.
And this is why Ingo's teaching so much stresses the need for verifiable
feedback to train towards this discernment.

From what I've seen in knosomotacs, the focus is not so much on obtaining
the 3D data, but on expanding one's individual knowing and awareness of
multiple realities and existences that may have more metaphorical meaning
or perhaps resonate on more invisible plains of existence.  Thus the focus,
not exclusively, but however widely on esoteric, non-feedbackable targets.
This knowledge is different but is equally of value, I add with the caveat
that one must develop one's own discipline for discernment so as not to
believe that what they "get" is 100% applicable to the target.  Most rv
just doesn't yield those kinds of results, however it can and does happen.
Up to the viewer to learn from observation of their own practice.

This is not cut and dry either (just imo).  With CRV, you may also obtain
metaphorical and/or archetypal data and with knosomotics you may also
obtain highly detailed literal data.  Just as in dreams, you may project
information resonating from yourself AND may obtain "real world" literal
data AND may obtain metaphoric data...they seem as our genius for
experiencing the holography of the individual and collective psyche.

BOTH methodologies are valid imo.  It's just good to be aware what each
methodology trains your mind towards with respect to the kinds of
applications you might want to work with.  What is truly in service to the
RV community and public at large (I feel), new students or potential
students  is exploring both these similarities and differences so that all
the cards are on the table and people can make informed choices about what
they wish to pursue as far as their rv training work.

Like Fortune, I have also had a number of trainings over the years that
have expanded my awareness, having worked with dreams, poetry and shamanism
in fair depth so I don't have issues with expanding our awareness towards
the metaphorical...In fact, I LOVE the work and thrive on it.

In the Spirit,
Joanie

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#755 
	From: "Sharon Webb" 
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	sharwebb_30512
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Joan,

You make some excellent points.  We are all climbing a high hill by different
paths; and we all want to reach the pinnacle where the view is better.  :-)

Sharon
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#758 
	From: "Nita...ulse.com" 
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	nitahickok
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Hi Sharon

    I don't intend to have this thread devolve into the methods battle. I
have stayed out of that completely. I also want to mention I am talking
about a form of behavior with the one book and not what the behavior causes.
Stargate was used as a example of its long history for flame wars. Certain
types of people cause this negative behavior and that is what I am
discussing.

    The book on narcissists says that up to 1/3 of the american public may
have these behavior problems. It is drastic and results in serious behavior
if let go into the other mental illness's that it causes. I think it
behooves our inner person to make it where we understand what is going on
instead of letting it effect us negatively. Negative emotions block psi
dependability.

    The other book is about psi dependability. It makes it so we can use our
talents better without all the misplaced ego trips.

    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

-----------------------------
Moderator's note: I appreciate your avoiding the RV-warzones -- Sharon is not
from this field, so while she is knowledgeable about psi, she is mostly unaware
of the methods-politics the RV field has (and we're sensitive to) fwiw.  -- PJ

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#759 
	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Tue Oct 8, 2002 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	maliolana
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Aloha Nita & Karl,

I hear ya....but...isn't the 'now'...just really our awareness of a
thought or happening ...three seconds ...after... we actually experience
it?...Thereby making the 'now' subjective?...and past tense...before we
realize/manifest
its existance?...Sorta leaves out the RV future stuff though...unless we
are talking about 'all time'... as being in the "now"...

I am confused...how do we recognize the 'now' or 'not now'...if we do not
think?...compare/contrast...?

Seems the balance would be to 'not overdo' either one...Too much...or
too little... The world seems to be writhing in the throws of turmoil
because
of faulty thinking/feeling...How do we rectify this without quality
thought?
How do we communicate (long distance) without thought?

Perhaps our retarded brothers and sisters would make better viewers... if
the major requirement was to limit thinking...Who would have even come up

with process/protocol?

I intuit a blend of mind/heart...feeling/thinking is the best approach to
life... in general...I know it is for me......thinking turns me
on...almost as much as feeling...sometimes more...

How about the power of "All  is Now"?...

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

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#769 
	From: Karl Boyken 
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 8:53 am
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	kboyken
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Dawna, my take on the now is more from a personal development
perspective than a cultivation of psi ability, so I can't
speak about how mindfulness might relate to RV.  My view is
that being in the now is not a mental process.  It's the
letting go of the mental chatter and simply being present.
Thoughts carry me out of the moment, into the past or the
future.  I can't stop or repress thought, or wouldn't want
to during my daily activities, even if I could.  So I move my
focus away from thought, and I become aware that I am more
than my mind.  The heart, the body, and the breath are good
tools I use to become mindful.  Not that I'm a master of
mindfulness--I have a long way to go.

Eckhart Tolle's book does a much better job of talking about
mindfulness than I can.  Another good book would be The
Miracle of Mindfulness, by Thich Nhat Hanh.

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#772 
	From: "Nita...ulse.com" 
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	nitahickok
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Hello Karl
    Good description and I have read the other book also. The reason it helps
with psi abilities is that everyone talks about shutting off the left brain.
It is a way to do this sucessfully where clearer and better results can be
achieved.
    Eckert Tolle has some really simple methods and they should help anyone
who is having problems with their left brain messing up their sessions.
    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".

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#773 
	From: "Nita...ulse.com" 
Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Two Interesting books 	nitahickok
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Hi Dawna
    Our left brain structures what time is and it is how our society is based
  The Now is everything at once which means that you can do viewing or
psychic work with out left brain input or structuring.
    The book is a good read especially for anyone having problems with left
brain input.
    Nita

Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always
practice rejoicing for others-whether they are your friend or enemy. If you
cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be
happy.

Lama Zopa Rinpoche, "Transforming Problems into Happiness".