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#190 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Sun Jul 21, 2002 4:21 am
Subject: Re: Useless Data 	gebega
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Hi PJ,

I like this idea of RVers baring their inner thoughts and fears......we'll
probably find that a lot of us feel the same way.

You said:
> Trivia: research says about 30% of data supplied for any target, will
> apply to about 30% of most other targets. So it's really not all that
> difficult to get 'some' accurate data about something.  Boy doesn't
> that make minimally good sessions less consoling, lol!

If I'm surprised at all  it's only that the percentage of false match is not
even higher. I notice that about my own sessions. Sometimes half-way through
a session I even catch myself thinking (which I shouldn't be doing
anyway:-)), that I've picked up so much general info that I'm almost
guaranteed to get something; and sometimes it is almost a comfort. Heck....I
am *appalled* when I begin to think that way, mentally kick myself for it,
and end up being even more critical about my session when I get feedback;
but it happens.

> So I am willing to eat it publicly for awhile, as I'm really
> just starting out here on regular practice (after all these years!),
> in the hopes that eventually, this will get better. :-)

IMO the only way to get past the 30% effect is try and be more specific in
session, to have the courage of my convictions  and to start learning from
them. That takes a hell of a lot of practice and even more courage to start
to do. I don't mean having the courage to fail in front of my taskers or
fellow viewers...but to be humiliated and humbled in front of the one person
who really counts in  my RV is something else, my prime judge.........me! To
fail to improve in front of my own ego.......that sensitive part of me that
may try to slam the door shut rather than experience the pain and personal
humiliation of the truth; that I may never get better at it....is something
that has to be dealt with and overcome, by me alone.  However, if I don't
try, then the alternative path just leads to ...more of the same.

Good on you PJ :-).

Kind regards,
Glyn

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#184 
	From: "dennanm" 
Date: Sat Jul 20, 2002 10:55 pm
Subject: Useless Data 	dennanm
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Following on other comments today... is my gradually realizing the
amount of damn near useless data I get about targets.

Now some might say an analyst can use anything.  But I can
use "across" and "spans" and "over" and "flat" and terms like this
for damn near every session and have them be accurate, and short of
something being an actual bridge, it just ain't real specific.

It's like my Ideograms which half the time look and feel no different
than any other 1,281 ideograms.

What annoys me is that I get that kind of data anyway, when a whole
lot of far more USEFUL and SPECIFIC data could be in the session and
I am not getting it!  Sigh.

Trivia: research says about 30% of data supplied for any target, will
apply to about 30% of most other targets. So it's really not all that
difficult to get 'some' accurate data about something.  Boy doesn't
that make minimally good sessions less consoling, lol!

I've gone back to to 1page/5minute exercises for awhile, after a
couple of days of zero data.  I find that the zero-data effect tends
to kick in after I've done a data-session that turns out to be out of
the thin air and unrelated to any target.  Obviously a psychological
response, you know, like if I can't trust the data then I block
getting any at all for awhile!  Sheesh.

One reason I try to be open about difficulties and experiences here
is because a few years from now, if that, I fully intend to kick ass
at RV -- and I want a documented history of how it came about for
me.  So I am willing to eat it publicly for awhile, as I'm really
just starting out here on regular practice (after all these years!),
in the hopes that eventually, this will get better. :-)

PJ

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