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#1774
 	From: "David " 
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:29 pm
Subject: Weekly Targets? 	jam1433
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PJ,
Have you given any thought lately to perhaps posting a weekly target
on the list for those who want to take a stab at sessions?
Also I really enjoyed the interview with Joe M and  would like you to
consider interviewing him again sometime in the future, if he is
willing and able of course. It would be great to see him as a member
of the list like in the good ole days of the VWR list. I have great
memories from the VWR list days when Joe, Paul H, Lyn, "Gene" and
others would post to the list and answer questions.

David Moore

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#1776
 	From: "PJ Gaenir " 
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly Targets? 	dennanm
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Howdy Dave,

Will PEM too.

> Have you given any thought lately to perhaps
> posting a weekly target on the list for those
> who want to take a stab at sessions?

Yeah, I've thought about it.  I began with targets.  Someone ... Eva
I think, suggested instead of providing feedback a week later, I do
it at the same time, so people could do them when they wanted.  A
couple other things to change... Then someone (Eva, lol!) complained
as one had death in it... though I tried to make it as ungory as a
dead body can be all things considered.  I wanted them to be from my
own (intermediate to advanced) target pool, not basics, because
everybody can get basic level targets free at a variety of sources,
including RVtargets.com for example.  I have warning notices in more
than one place but those were ignored.

I had a second week of a variety of targets and types of targets, but
I think I was sulking and didn't post it, LOL! - because I rather
felt like if I couldn't have an intermediate group with intermediate
targets and warnings all over and STILL people had disputes with it,
that there was no way I could really do what I wanted to do with it,
so why bother.

I got over it quickly but by then Eva (of all the cheek! LOL - I'm
teasing) was offering a target with later feedback over on her
FARVIEW list!  So I figured well, she was doing what I'd intended to
do and I didn't need to duplicate that, I could just direct people
over there (which I do a lot).  If you don't belong you should join,
it's a lot of fun.

So, I guess I don't really think it's needed here.

I am intending -- but as my schedule is ramping up it may not be till
late Feb -- to do some ARV stuff, simple fun stuff, but then
someone ... Scott I think, suggested I would need to be sure the
potential targets were different for everybody.  Well I'd considered
a project with maybe 2 or 3 sets of three potential targets, but that
makes it into ... well, if 20 people out of 80 want to try a session,
that makes it into around 60 targets and frankly, just a much larger
project, good heavens.  He's right and I'm willing to do it but it
has to wait until I have more time at this point.

> Also I really enjoyed the interview with
> Joe M and  would like you to consider
> interviewing him again sometime in the
> future, if he is willing and able of course.

Yeah, I'm sure we can.  I wish I could just download his brain into
mine sometimes.  The man is a walking encyclopedia on the most
amazing variety of subjects, not to mention RV!  Not to mention he is
really creative and damned funny -- parts of himself that the public
rarely if ever sees.

> It would be great to see him as a member
> of the list like in the good ole days of
> the VWR list. I have great memories from
> the VWR list days when Joe, Paul H, Lyn,
> "Gene" and others would post to the list
> and answer questions.

And Liam (Bill) and Russ (Targ) and Greg, and a few psychics, like
Bevy Jaegers and Rob Abbott and others.  I know, but I knew when
doing VWR that it was probably the first and last shot at getting
those guys (a) together in one place and (b) actually talking with
each other and the public fairly openly... you'll see in the archives
I repeatedly stressed to members that whatever we didn't ask, might
not have another chance, and I was probably right.  I'm willing to
bet most of the guys other than Joe are on the IRVA list, but members
don't make it sound like it is exactly a bastion of serious
discussion about hands-on remote viewing or anything, and maybe
that's fair if it's dominantly an "organization" list.

Joe would never have time.  He makes time for stuff I send him but
his schedule is worse than mine and I'm an overworked single mother,
lol.  And the thing is, what time he DOES have, he allots a lot of it
to RV - free stuff - and then I get into this guilt mode feeling like
if I take up hours of his time, he could have spent that helping
someone.  And since there are like, so few other options for psychics
as good as he is to help people, that's a serious thing.  Sigh...

PJ

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#1778
 	From: "Eva " 
Date: Sun Dec 15, 2002 10:40 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly Targets? 	k9caninek9
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> I think, suggested instead of
> providing feedback a week later, I do
> it at the same time, so people
> could do them when they wanted.

Well if you are going to put 15 of them up like last time, I would
say that's an issue.  I don't like to do 15 of them in a row without
having the feedback yet cuz I then later I can't hardly remember
doing any of them and it's hard to compare my experiences during the
session with the feedback.  I can do one or two like that, but I
don't want to do 15 like that.

> couple other things to change... Then someone
> (Eva, lol!) complained
> as one had death in it... though I tried
> to make it as ungory as a
> dead body can be all things considered.
> I wanted them to be from my
> own (intermediate to advanced) target pool,
> not basics, because
> everybody can get basic level targets free
> at a variety of sources,
> including RVtargets.com for example.
> I have warning notices in more
> than one place but those were ignored.

I didn't 'ignore' them, LOL!  I just saved a link directly to the
correct webpage (as I'm sure many others will do as well) and that
page did not have the warnings.  Unlike you PJ, most people do not
read everything that exists on a website right off the bat.  You are
more thorough than the average person.  I just thought people should
have a clear idea of what 'advanced' targets meant to you.  On other
websites, advanced usually just means they might be difficult like a
sprig of celery or something like that, not a dead guy.  I think some
of the members of your list may want practice but may not want to
view dead guys just yet.

> I had a second week of a variety of
> targets and types of targets, but
> I think I was sulking and didn't post
> it, LOL! - because I rather
> felt like if I couldn't have an
> intermediate group with intermediate
> targets and warnings all over and
> STILL people had disputes with it,
> that there was no way I could really
> do what I wanted to do with it,
> so why bother.

Dude, I think you are getting just a wee tad melodramatic here.  A
suggestion is not the same thing as a huge old stinking complaint
fit!  ;-)

> I got over it quickly but by then Eva
> (of all the cheek! LOL - I'm
> teasing) was offering a target with
> later feedback over on her
> FARVIEW list!  So I figured well, she
> was doing what I'd intended to
> do and I didn't need to duplicate that,
> I could just direct people
> over there (which I do a lot).

Well I WAS there first, plbbbtttt!  ;-)  If I knew you were going to
crawl out of a hole and start your own list a few months later, I may
not have started FARVIEW figuring I'd just let you do all the work
instead.  Oh well, I guess my psychic powers just weren't up to
snuff!

> If you don't belong you should join,
> it's a lot of fun.

Well thanx!  We had some pretty good sessions on today's target.

> Well I'd considered
> a project with maybe 2 or 3 sets of
> three potential targets, but that
> makes it into ... well, if 20 people
> out of 80 want to try a session,
> that makes it into around 60 targets
> and frankly, just a much larger
> project, good heavens.  He's right
> and I'm willing to do it but it
> has to wait until I have more time at this point.

Or you could just do it the first time with the same two targets and
see how it goes.  Call it an experiment.  Believe me, if you try to
listen to everybody's suggestions all at once, you may just go bats
cuz half the time, they tend to contradict eachother.  Such is life
as a moderator.  ;-)

> I knew when
> doing VWR that it was probably the
> first and last shot at getting
> those guys (a) together in one place
> and (b) actually talking with
> each other and the public fairly openly...
> you'll see in the archives
> I repeatedly stressed to members that
> whatever we didn't ask, might
> not have another chance, and I was
> probably right.  I'm willing to
> bet most of the guys other than Joe
> are on the IRVA list, but members
> don't make it sound like it is
> exactly a bastion of serious
> discussion about hands-on remote viewing
> or anything, and maybe
> that's fair if it's dominantly
> an "organization" list.

Almost no one posts.  Lyn very rarely posts on IRVAmembers, but
mostly only posts on his own CRV list.  Paul used to post a tad too
but I think he has kind of withdrawn a bit from the online rv world
lately to save time for other things.  As for any others, if they are
on there, they don't post.  I think at some point, I realized that
the only solution was to make our own new VWR list with the new
generation learning and posting their thoughts.  The old guys are
mostly either too busy or just tired of it all and you don't see them
posting much of much.  You just can't go back in time.

> and then I get into this
> guilt mode feeling like
> if I take up hours of his time,
> he could have spent that helping
> someone.  And since there are like,
> so few other options for psychics
> as good as he is to help people,
> that's a serious thing.  Sigh...

Yeah, except the greater good will be served if there is a next
generation coming behind him.  In the long run, that will serve many
more people.  Lets face it, we are the next generation and we need to
get busy, LOL!
-E

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Moderator's note: LOL. I knew you'd get me for those target comments. ;-)
Crawling back to my 4am hole now. ;-)  -- PJ

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#1817
 	From: "intuitwolf " 
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly Targets? 	intuitwolf
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> > I have great memories from
> > the VWR list days

The IRVA list is such a mix of folks - a pretty good spread from just
about every group; probably about half are people who don't even
remote view but have an interest. Paul has been buried in work and
school, Lyn is busy with his own list, Targ never posted but once or
twice, Bill seems to be on the road a lot these days, Skip doesn't
post, Angela rarely posts anything and has started her own list - and
it's been laid at my doorstep like a child no one wants to deal with.

It's one of those lists where every time a lengthy ongoing discussion
breaks out - even when it's not conflict oriented - people complain to
me in PEM and unsub cause they aren't interested in anything that
takes up bandwidth. :-) I don't know why these folks subscribed
anyway. At least half of IRVA's members do not belong to the
discussion list. I also have to admit that even I have ignored the
list for the last month while transitioning into moderating Stargate
full time. But watch out! the New Year is on our doorstep.

Hope that clarifies the situation for you,
Shelia

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#1820
 	From: "intuitwolf " 
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly Targets? 	intuitwolf
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My prior message was a response to PJ's comments regarding the IRVA list:

" I'm willing to bet most of the guys other than Joe are on the IRVA
list, but members don't make it sound like it is exactly a bastion of
serious discussion about hands-on remote viewing or anything, and
maybe that's fair if it's dominantly an "organization" list. "

- somehow I deleted those comments. Apologies if it seemed totally
disjointed.

Shelia

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Moderator's note: I probably did. Sorry, I assume that people actually read the
list, and that a brief mention (if that) is enough to put threads together, so I
often delete a good % of the quoting that comes in. -- PJ