2050 :What will it be like /Stephan Schwartz

Tunde

"Keep Moving Forward"
//continued from bentons 2050 Schwarts report
Benton says :

Well, my Pittsburgh Pirates still haven't  had a winning season... but you don't have to be psychic to know that....  

Seriously... (he says, wiping back a tear).... between now and then there are gonna be a number of pandemics.  People will move out of big cities and into small cities, communities.  Things will look and feel much more agrarian, but amazing technology exists in the background.  We don't travel as much because technology and society is personal.  No cash, you simply agree to transactions and a computer that perceives and interacts records the transaction.  Technology is completely interactive, and it knows you, so it can anticipate your needs and is contextual.  So if I wanted to talk to PJ, I just say "Hey PJ, wazzup!"  and even if in the sprawling oasis we call Oklahoma, she would immediately hear me... and because I said "Wazzup" she would know to ignore me, or remind me that saying "Wazzup" hasn't been cool for 54 years... (remember, its 2050).

Oh, and no more fossil fuel, you go to the store and buy energy in a box.  And no more surgery, except if you have an accident that needs repair.  Schools and medical care are personalized, we work together and with technology to help heal each others, to educate what we need to know, etc.  Oh, and my kids are all still living at home... bummer.  Okay, maybe that last one was AOL on my part.  

Everything is greener, more alive, quieter, more personal, the place looks like a big garden, big cities are all but abandoned.  There isn't mass transit really, people don't travel as much cuz you don't need to.

I don't recall much more.  
 Logged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Benton Bogle, TKR Viewer Studios & RV Galleries Wizop
Ive been waiting for that report for years lol
thanks for sharing. Is it published anywhere in full
ie stats, number of viewers participating, analysis etc
all the normal valid RV questions associated with projects
of this magnitude ?

The pandemics in cities sounds consistent with
other predictions but on varying different timelines
and also appears to be unique to whoever is doing
the prediction but there is some consensus to a vastly
minimized future population.

The best controlled experiment ive seen regarding
future predictions comes from the work of
the late Helen Wambach
and Ched Snow both Phds in their epic work
Mass Dreams Of The Future.



Mass Dreams of the Future: An Overview from 2001

Chet B. Snow, Ph.D.

"Do we face an Apocalypse or a Global Spiritual Awakening?" is the subtitle of this remarkable book, product of the researches of psycho-therapists Drs. Helen Wambach and myself over 15 years ago as we tried to assess humanity's hidden inner-vision of our species' future. In a series of experimental seminars between 1980 and 1988, we tested thousands of volunteers, putting them into a light dream-like state that I have named a "waking trance." Then we "progressed" them forward across time and space using Helen Wambach's unique method of "Future Life Progression Hypnosis," to preview Earth's and humanity's most-likely alternative futures both 150 and 300 years from now. No one—not even the different therapists conducting the sessions—could have predicted how closely the "mass dreams" of these perfectly normal, ordinary volunteers would coincide with little-known historical prophecies from many of the world's indigenous cultures as well as those of celebrated individual prophets such as Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce.

This exceptional research forms the basis for my book, Mass Dreams of the Future, that was first published by Mc Graw Hill & Co., in November 1989. Now in its fourth paperback printing by Deep Forest Press, it gives us an incredible glimpse of the results of everyday life and choices in the 22nd Century and beyond, based on the timeless visions stored deep within the subconscious minds of ordinary men and women from our own time. Their amazing stories, told in this first ever scientific survey of what our culture's "collective unconscious" really believes about what we will have to face after the year 2000, cannot and should not be ignored. Its message, that hidden within our dreaming mind may lie essential keys to unlocking and even altering the future, is more timely today than ever before.

As we begin the twenty-first century of humanity's current era, it is clear that Earth and our solar system are in the throes of a profound evolutionary transformation. This meticulously conducted research, coupled with my vivid personal "future memories" taken under hypnosis by Dr. Wambach, reveals many important changes in the years ahead with possible massive climate shifts, world-wide earthquakes and volcanic eruptions in the Pacific Rim, all leading to severe Earth Changes, including Japan's imminent collapse into the sea and the sinking of large portions of our own West Coast. Although the dating of some of my own personal "future memories" has proven premature, the sequence of events that I describe remains not just possible but plausible, especially if some of the more dramatic incidents are understood as symbolic warnings—a way for my own subconscious to galvanize me and my readers into action while there is still time to modify some of the more extreme conditions I foresaw happening already today.

But what is next? What will happen if and when still-suffering humanity and our Mother Earth survive current challenges and disasters? What may life be like in the years of 2100 AD and beyond? Vivid, personal "dream accounts" from two future periods of 2150 and 2300 AD reveal such extraordinary developments as these:

1. Most of humanity will live in just four environment types: First: sylvan, ecologically-sound creative and spiritual communities widely scattered in temperate zones; Second: hi-tech cities dependent on domes and other artificial protections against a harsh exterior environment; Third: isolated, rustic settlements of people who have forsaken technological solutions to Earth's problems, returning to a simpler, less-complex life-style; and Fourth: space-farers who inhabit artificial space stations above the Earth, or build protected colonies on nearby planets like Mars.


2. The emergence of clans or tribes of people born with enhanced telepathic and other psychic powers.


3. A period after 2300 AD, known as the "Outward Wave," when humanity will no longer be bound either by this solar system or by present-day concepts of 3-D reality.
Before dismissing these accounts as mere science fiction or fantasy, critics must acknowledge that several of my 1983 predictions for the mid-1990s, including the Yugoslav civil war and break-up, the rise in Pacific Rim volcanic, and world-wide seismic activities, have already happened. Other, more-extreme forecasts like the sinking of part of California and Hawaii have not happened in the late-1990s time frame predicted. Nonetheless, the extreme weather patterns with temperature spikes and severe droughts vs. floods in unusual places are definitely still taking place.

Moreover, our findings have had a profound impact on such authorities in the alternative health field as Dr. Raymond Moody, who wrote that Mass Dreams of the Future is "an important and significant book . . . in this time of both great crisis and great opportunity for the world." Death and dying researcher Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross has said: "I could not stop reading this fascinating book and although many aspects of it look grim, it also looks very realistic . . . It is very important we begin to realize that our minds create our future." Finally, The Aquarian Conspiracy author Marilyn Ferguson called Mass Dreams of the Future: "A compelling vista . . . Snow has tackled his subject with the thoroughness of a scholar and the spark of a storyteller."

Since the publication of our pioneering research, I have continued compiling data on the future visions of the mass consciousness from around the planet, studying indigenous cultures like Arizona's Hopi nation and Australian Aboriginal peoples, to compare their points of view with those of the subconscious minds of our Western subjects. The results, as yet unpublished, demonstrate that today's humanity, whether from Hotevilla, Johannesburg, New York or Woomera, continues to see significant cultural and environmental changes just beyond the horizon. Striking contemporary events like massive UFO sightings and the enigmatic crop circle formations bear witness to the fact that we continue to live in "interesting times." All of the four future civilization types outlined in my book are currently distinguishable, albeit still in somewhat embryonic form. Only the reason behind the massive decline in world population that both our dreamers and indigenous seers foretell for our current century has yet to be identified in a clear and unambiguous fashion. And, even there, there's no lack of potential causes, ranging from a massive outbreak of an Ebola-like virus or other plague, to a solar flare, asteroid strike (or even a near-miss), or the cumulative effects of over a century of fossil fuel burning, provoking severe global warming.

So, as we move forward beyond such celebrated dates as 1984 and 2001, we must continue to ask the question posed by Dr. Helen Wambach and myself: "Do we face an Apocalypse or a Global Spiritual Awakening?" And the ultimate response that we found in the mid-1980s still remains true because the ultimate choice between these two widely-touted future archetypes is still ours to make today. Let us choose wisely, with humility and compassion. Our children's future, and just possibly our own, depends on what we choose now.

Chet B. Snow, Ph.D.

http://dwij.org/forum/future_link/future7.htm
 

Benton

New Member
Staff member
Re: 2050 :What will it be like /Stephen Schwartz

Hey, that looks fascinating. I see another book I have to add to my pile.

Of course Joe McMoneagle had a book of future Remote Viewing.

Has anyone else read the booklet by David Spangler "Conversations with John" where he asks his channeled dude about the future? Its pretty amazing too.
 

Tunde

"Keep Moving Forward"
Re: 2050 :What will it be like /Stephen Schwartz

Hey, that looks fascinating.  I see another book I have to add to my pile.

Of course Joe McMoneagle had a book of future Remote Viewing.

Has anyone else read the booklet by David Spangler "Conversations with John" where he asks his channeled dude about the future?  Its pretty amazing too.  
Hi Benton,

Could not find the book you mentioned above
by David Spangler, Can you give us an idea of what exactly
he saw or was shown in the future or just a brief summary?

Many Thanks

Tunde
 

Tunde

"Keep Moving Forward"
(I have copied the relevant parts to suppliment the ongoing thread on US male testosterone decline /RV Clubhouse Yahoo Forum)

Enjoy (?)

Tunde


© Interview With Stephan Schwartz Ph.D.
Interviewed By Daniel Redwood D.C.

REDWOOD: The project of yours that I find most intriguing is the 2050 Project. Could you tell us about that?
SCHWARTZ: That's another variant of all this. When I was in government, I was asked to participate on a committee that the Secretary of Defense and the president of MIT put together, called, "Innovation, Technology and the Future." And then I was asked to host a television program called, "Conversations at the Smithsonian: Innovation, Technology and the Future." So I began reading a lot of futurist stuff. And if we all look back at what we were concerned about in the 1970s, the great fear was overpopulation, that we would run out of natural resources, nuclear war, just dreadful stuff. That was the settled wisdom of the futurists. If you read the futurist literature of that period, the Club of Rome or Paul Ehrlich's work, that's what it was saying. Well, none of it turned out to be true. So by 1978 I could see that pretty much all of what we had said about the future was wrong. And as I began to look at it, I realized that almost all predictions about the future are wrong. Not just details, but even the broad trends are not correct, despite the fact that people who write them up are very smart and diligent.

So I thought that if we could use remote viewing to accomplish all that we had already done, why couldn't we get it to look at the future? This made me think, well, how far into the future would you go? Reading about various kinds of predictions, I realized that if you get even a century or so down the time line, things change so much that they become incomprehensible. As an example, if you had tried to explain the Internet to your grandmother 80 years ago, what would you say? I have this box on my desk and it links me up with a box on every other desk in the world, and it also stores all the information, and I can get it all and transmit. It's incomprehensible. If you were talking to a 17th century thinker, how would you possibly explain either the technology or the cultural effect of television? "There's a box that sits on a table and it's got dancing people in it." The whole concept is very hard to get hold of. In the late 19th century, before Pasteur, people couldn't think of germs.

REDWOOD: Somewhat along these lines, I read in the paper today that last year in Boston a paralyzed man became the first person to send an email with his thoughts. There was a chip implanted in his brain that enabled him to do this.

SCHWARTZ: Really! Well, all of these kinds of things led me to realize that I should not go too far down the timeline, because I wouldn't understand what I was being told. So I settled on the year 2050. And in 1978 I began collecting this data, and I've gotten about 4000 people to do this. I asked them to go forward in time to the year 2050 [while in a state of nonlocal awareness] and to describe what they see, what people wear, what kind of health care is there, very mundane stuff. How do you pay for things, what does your house look like, how many people live in your area. Not big, grandiose questions, just mundane stuff. How many children do you have? How do the children communicate? How do people travel? And I began to get, immediately, a view that was utterly different than the view that I had expected. It contradicted just about everything that I thought the future was about.

REDWOOD: What did they see in 2050?

SCHWARTZ: First of all, virtually every single person said that there is no overpopulation. Now this was very, very surprising. Because all of the predictions of the futurists were that we were going to have ten billion people and the world was going to crash. The 2050 viewers said no, overpopulation's not a problem, but underpopulation is a problem in many parts of the world. I couldn't figure out what that meant. But now we know that no Western democracy has a sustainable birth rate. The only reason America has a sustainable birth rate is because of immigration. The Japanese, for instance, are beginning to really seriously consider what happens when Japan becomes a fragment of its former self. There are now about 130 million Japanese, and the Japanese ministries are producing studies projecting that by 2050 there'll be about 60 million, about half the population they have today. That produces a very different looking country. The Italians don't have a sustainable birth rate. It goes on. The Islamic countries are among the only ones that do have sustainable birth rates.

REDWOOD: These projections don't factor in major epidemics or wars.

SCHWARTZ: The 2050 viewers also started talking about this blood disease. They said it came out of Africa and it crossed over from primates into human beings because they killed the primates and ate them. They said it swept across the world and killed millions and millions of people. This was the late 1970s, and I had no idea what that was. When I kept getting this I went to a friend who was, I believe, the Deputy Director of Cardiovascular Research at the National Institutes of Health and asked him, "What is this?" He said, "I haven't a clue." Not a clue. Then a few years later AIDS entered the scene, and of course we now know that AIDS crossed over from primates and came out of Africa, exactly as they described.

I asked them, " Has there been a huge nuclear cataclysm?" Because, if you remember, this was during the Nuclear Freeze period when everybody was really seriously worried about nuclear exchange, atomic war. And these people said, "Nope, that didn't happen." They said one of the great powers has fallen (this is before the Soviet Union fell). Can you imagine anyone in the 1970s talking about the Soviet Union falling? So I said, "Oh, so things get better." They said, "No, they get more dangerous." Now, instead of having relatively stable conflict, you have all these little pockets of conflict that grow up, and they "tear the world apart," is the way they described it. Now we can see the process. But at the time I was getting this in the Seventies and Eighties, the idea that international terrorism and fundamentalist Islamists were going to become a major issue in the world, there was no one who predicted that.

REDWOOD: What were some of the other key areas of agreement among most of the people involved in this 2050 project?

SCHWARTZ: That there has been an energy revolution, that energy is no longer an issue. There's some decentralized kind of energy. This is a case where even though I was only looking less than a hundred years into the future, the descriptions don't mean anything to me or anyone else that I've shown them to. All I can tell you is they describe this thing, that's probably three feet high and maybe three feet wide, like a big box. There are various sizes of them. They sit in either individual homes or in neighborhoods and they provide power. In 2050, nobody thinks much about power anymore. I can't tell you what it is. I thought for a while that it was cold fusion, but we don't know yet whether cold fusion is real. I just don't understand. They try to describe it to you, but the technology has not yet been invented, the concept is not here yet. People say, "Well, it's a box." I said, "Does it get very hot?" thinking there might be something inside the box. They said, "No, it just kind of hums along and produces power. So I said, "How does it do that?" and they said, "Well, there are these wires." The net of it is, there has been an energy revolution, that's a big one, and also a medical revolution. Most illnesses, most chronic illnesses have disappeared. Multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy. The chronic genetic diseases have largely disappeared because they're engineered out at birth, or at pre-birth.

REDWOOD: Engineered out a birth worldwide, or just in areas of affluence?

SCHWARTZ: That's a really interesting question, Daniel. I think that is one of the central questions that we face. You know, when we think about what's going on in the world, we get lost in the local epiphenomena of the news, and we don't really see the bigger trends. That's why I started the Schwartzreport ( www.schwartzreport.net), to look at long range trends.

One of the things I'm very concerned about is that I foresee the rise of a homo superioris, that another species is going to be created. That the affluent technologically advanced countries will have access to this and that the non-technological countries won't. You can already begin to see this, as genetic engineering continues to develop. The genome has been mapped, and we're beginning to figure out where the switches are that turn things off and on.

People are going to order up children. You know, you want to have a child, so you go in, and you'll see some kind of health professional whose specialty doesn't exist at the moment, and they'll flip the switches. You'll say, "I want a child that's as smart as Stephen Hawking and as athletically endowed as Michael Jordan, and is as good looking as Angelina Jolie." Out of that will come this race of people, this subspecies of people who get engineered. And they will in turn pass this on to their progeny, and over centuries (this isn't all going to happen by 2050), what's going to happen is that the human species is going to diverge. So that people who do not have access to these technologies will continue to have illnesses, but people who are affluent will be able to avoid most of the chronic illnesses. People won't be born nearsighted anymore, diabetes will disappear, heart disease and hypertension, all of that. That's going to get tweaked. So our children or our children's children will benefit from that and will look very different.

REDWOOD: So revolutions of the future might involve trying to spread this democratically to all. Or, more ominously, might also involve dealing with the side effects of what you have been describing.

SCHWARTZ: Unintended consequences are the reason we really need to think about these coming changes. It's almost impossible, but absolutely critical, for a democracy to do this. In our system, we haven't really done very well with regard to unintended consequences. We need to do better and could do better. But I could paint you a scenario where the 'naturals" rise up against the "engineered" and there is a new kind of racial conflict. The 2050 viewers said that racism doesn't exist anymore, in the way we think of it. Think of the difference in just our lifetimes, how much that issue has changed. When I was a boy seeing an interracial couple was very unusual but today no one would remark on it. For most young people it's not an issue anymore. There is a meritocracy arising that trumps race. Not for everyone, I should add, but as a generality. So I think we're going to be looking in 2050 and beyond at a world where it is much more important whether you got the benefits of genetic engineering than what race you are. And that the more affluent countries are going to control this and benefit from it in ways that lesser developed countries are not.

REDWOOD: The more affluent countries then may or may not be the ones that are the more affluent countries now.

SCHWARTZ: Back when I was in government, everybody was yelling about the Japanese, but from my perspective the real issue was the Chinese. However, I did not see the Indians. The Chinese were obvious, because China is so big and the Chinese have a long history of private sector activity. It was only briefly interrupted by Communism. But if you look at the world that is emerging now, you look at a world where China and India become much more powerful factors in the world than, for instance, France.

REDWOOD: In your 2050 Project, to get from what is relative overpopulation now to relative, or absolute, underpopulation . . .

SCHWARTZ: In some areas.

REDWOOD: . . . was there some sense of what shifted, if it wasn't a nuclear catastrophe?

SCHWARTZ: Oh, yeah. They said this blood disease (which I now take to be AIDS) is just the first of several that sweep across the world. That's one of the reasons that I think we need to be paying much more attention to the World Health Organization's current concerns about this avian flu virus. Because I've seen projections [from WHO and others] that it could kill up to a quarter of the human species in less than six months.

I was concerned, being an intellectual futurist, about nuclear war. As I said, this was in the 1980s, around the time of the nuclear freeze movement. So I go to these people and do these sessions -- I did hundreds and eventually thousands of them -- and they all say no, that's not what you need to be concerned about. You need to be worried about these diseases that come up and that we're completely unprepared for. These "bugs," as they called them. These are non-technical people I interviewed for the most part, ordinary folk, so they don't use complicated words.

REDWOOD: How did you find these viewers?

SCHWARTZ: They're self- selected, people who came to conferences or read about it in magazine articles and called me up and I did a session with them. And they very consistently said what you need to be concerned about are these diseases that sweep across the country and kill millions of people.

Aside from the changes I've already mentioned, they also said that [in 2050] people don't travel much anymore. Businesses don't have to travel anymore. I asked why. The answer was that they have this kind of thing that you put on, and it sort of hooks up with your nervous system and it allows you to project your consciousness into an electronic place, and other people meet you there, and that's where you have meetings. What? What do you mean? Well, you know, it's like this thing, and it has wires, and you put it on and it's like an extension of your senses and you're not in the reality you're in, you're in this other reality, and other people are in there with you. That didn't mean anything to me.

Soon after, I went up to MIT and I was invited to go up to their computer lab, where they were doing the early virtual reality work. As soon as I saw it, I got immediately that the viewers were talking about virtual reality. You put on something, you project your consciousness into another place, other people can join you there, and it's interactive. What was happening was, business travelers didn't physically travel. It takes a long time to fly to Hong Kong. You don't need to fly to Hong Kong. The people in Hong Kong and you can each go into virtual reality and you can have your meeting. As this gets more and more sophisticated, I can already see this emerging. But when I first started getting these descriptions, they were so incomprehensible to me that I would go over and over this stuff with these people. What do you mean, you put on a thing and project your consciousness? Are you, you? Well, yes, you're you, but you could also be somebody else. You could be whoever you want. And in virtual reality, that's true. You could be a wizard or a princess or a pussycat. You can define yourself and the people see you as the princess or the pussycat or the Zorgonian warrior, whatever it is. So they say that in 2050, a lot of business travel is done this way.

REDWOOD: So this is beyond what we call teleconferencing?

SCHWARTZ: Beyond teleconferencing, a next step. They also say that money has almost disappeared. That there's some sort of central accounting system, not even requiring that you have a card. I can't figure out whether it's that you use your thumb print or what it is. But they're all electronic transactions.

The 2050s say that many people have left the cities, that cities are now quite small.

REDWOOD: Did they say why?

SCHWARTZ: Yes. Because people have organized themselves according to personal taste. Because there has been an energy revolution and there has been another information revolution, which I now take to be the wireless revolution.

Again, this is the 1970s or early 1980s. I got my first computer in 1978 so I understood the idea of computers. They said no, you can carry your computer around with you. I had an early computer called an Osborne, which had a very small screen and weighed as much as a full suitcase. It was a sort of metal box and seemed very slick at the time. I said, "Oh you mean like a portable computer." And they said, "No, it's like this little tiny thing." I'm looking back through this data now, and I think they're also talking about a national identity chip that gets implanted.

So they said that people didn't have to be in cities anymore. You could live anywhere you wanted to live because you had energy and you had information access, so a lot of the reasons that people lived in urban settings were no longer operative. What happened is that people sorted themselves out by personal taste. They live in, for want of a better term, colonies, or communities.

REDWOOD: What about the United States as a nation?

SCHWARTZ: They say that the United States doesn't exist as it presently does. That it still exists as a kind of overarching federal structure that does certain things, but that much control has devolved back to the more local level. There has been a schism, a really fundamental split about how things ought to be done. At the time that I was doing this, no one knew about the red-blue split that increasingly dominates our political landscape today. In the 1970s and 1980s when we were doing these interviews, it wasn't there. I mean, it was nascently there, but not fully expressed. Anyway, they say that in 2050 the United States does not exist in the sense that it does today. That people have moved out into small communities that are spread out all over the country, because energy and information transmission are no longer restrictive influences. Some of these are like hippie communes and some are militaristic. It's a kind of re-tribalization process. People like to hang out with people that agree with their point of view and don't like to hang out with people who don't agree with their point of view. I think we see that happening. You don't see a lot of fundamentalists hanging out at bars, for example.

So you sign up for that and find a community that does what you want to do. You can see that already happening on the Internet; you see people sorting themselves out in discussion groups. What happens with greater information transparency is that people who have common interests find one another and they align with those people.

The 2050 viewers describe these communities. Some of them are domed so that they can even control the weather. The weather has become a big deal. This was before global climate change [became a news item], but they described these huge weather changes and I couldn't figure out what they were talking about. Huge droughts that have rendered parts of the country uninhabitable.

REDWOOD: Which parts?

SCHWARTZ: The Southwestern United States. Look at Phoenix. This week for five days in a row it was over 119 degrees. I mean, imagine living out there if you had to experience that weeks at a time? I worked in the Libyan desert with the Bedouins. When it gets to be over 114, they quit. They don't work. They go back into their tents, "Come see us tomorrow." They work from dawn until about nine o'clock in the morning. By 10 o'clock, it's the full heat of the day and they don't come out until late in the afternoon.

REDWOOD: So Phoenix as we know it would become unsustainable.

SCHWARTZ: I can't imagine how they're going to maintain a city where they've got temperatures in the summertime that could typically run 110 to 130 degrees. It's like breathing oven air. Even now, they've got people dying. Then look at Europe, where they're having a drought and a heat wave, and they lost 15,000 people last year in France, because there's no air conditioning. The effects on the settled patterns of societies are going to be dramatic. Europeans don't have any air conditioning in their subways or in most houses. When it gets to be 100 degrees, [some] people die, old people particularly.

I would say as a generality, that as time has gone on the descriptions that the 2050s gave me, have become more and more real to me, more and more accurate. So I'm re-examining all this data to get a sort of second order of information out. Because when I was analyzing a lot of it in the Seventies and Eighties and early Nineties, I just couldn't understand what they were talking about.

REDWOOD: Were there other significant changes widely agreed upon by the 2050 viewers that we haven't yet touched upon?

SCHWARTZ: Let's see. The fall of Russia, global climate change, the diseases, no nuclear war, the energy revolution, the virtual reality revolution. Oh, yes, health care! Very interesting. In the experience, I asked them to go to a place where health care is delivered. Stand outside of it, describe it, now go to the door. When you go in, who do you meet? What do you smell? Odors, textures? And what is it like, health care in 2050? First of all, there is emergency care. You fall off a ladder or have a car accident. There's trauma medicine which has become very highly evolved. Pharmacological medicine has almost disappeared, because most of the things that people take pharmaceuticals for no longer exist. That was of great interest to me, because I have hypertensive disease, it's a genetic predisposition. And they say, "Oh, no, all those diseases are gone."

REDWOOD: Because of genetic engineering.

SCHWARTZ: Yes. We don't have cystic fibrosis, multiple sclerosis, diabetes. Those things are gone. They describe hospitals as being very peaceful and very organic, in a way.

REDWOOD: A bit of a change.

SCHWARTZ: Yes. There's crisis medicine, it's clear. One viewer, a rock climber, said she had a bad fall. "I broke my leg and one of my arms, but they took me there and they didn't have regular casts. They had this thing that they use to put your arm in the right position, and they put it in a little trough, and they spray this stuff and it kind of hardens, kind of like very stiff Jello, like a stiff plastic of some kind that breathes and there's something they put in so it doesn't itch." And she said that they use electricity and thereby cause the bones to heal very quickly. And, of course, there's now research on this, so that makes sense.

So there's acute medicine, but the chronic conditions that people are heir to have largely disappeared. So the hospitals are much smaller. Most care is given on an outpatient basis. There is much more emphasis on preventive and maintenance care than on post-illness care. And people don't stay in hospitals for long periods of time. And they're not cold, sterile places; they're nurturing places. But there is this mix of biological, organic medicine, genetic engineering, and mechanical technologies. So it looks very different. And there are lots of little clinics.

They describe a kind of extended village life. The communities sound to me like they are in the 5000-10,000 people range, towns.

REDWOOD: Did the 2050 viewers say much about the economic arrangements in this decentralized setup?

SCHWARTZ: People get together who are interested in the same thing in a town, and they work as a group to produce something.

I've been thinking a lot about this recently. As I look at the outsourcing that is going on, where jobs are going overseas, what I think the 2050s are talking about is that people develop skill sets and they market them all over the world because of the information revolution. So it's a kind of re-tribalization and guilding. It produces a very different social order.

It is not a bleak vision of the future. When you see movies about the future, like The Matrix, it's always so mechanistic, cold and machiny and inorganic and deadly. I don't get any of that. Housing is much more energy conserving. I'm just posting an article on the Schwartzreport today about materials we can make buildings out of that will suck pollutants out of the air. So this has already begun. The 2050s are describing constructions that are much more energy efficient, with much better insulation, more organic. They are scaled to people size. And you don't live in a place where you don't know your neighbors. People are much more engaged in the community. So it's not a bad world.

REDWOOD: Did these future viewers talk at all about diet and what we will be eating?

SCHWARTZ: In a way. They talk about communal growing of foods. Also, sanitation is handled differently. They describe something like what is done now in Davis, California where sewage is purified by plants, with pools of organisms that eat the stuff, and out flows fresh water. But not all of them. There are also these militaristic communities where people are very rigid about everything. It all depends on the people.



For full article go to
http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.asp?PageType=Interview&ID=305
 

Benton

New Member
Staff member
The massive reduction in population is really scary. But like lots of the other very scary stuff that is ALREADY happening... maybe its a painful, unpleasant, scary but necessary thing that is required to make some important changes in our world. Isn't it true, in a Buddhist sort of way, that "too easy or too hard is too distracting".
 

RedCairo

do you ever dream you're someone else?
In a college class, when the instructor was discussing the black plague, she made some comment about density of the cities, and the tragedy of all the people dying. I said, "Yeah, but imagine how crowded it'd be today if they hadn't." Everybody looked at me like I was a heartless ghoul. ::) ;D It's lousy to think about especially when you have kids.

Then again, as a voice once told me, "REALITY IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. You will experience what you choose." So who knows?

Red
 

Benton

New Member
Staff member
All this talk of over-population reminds me of the wise counsel of my aged master, Gilligan, who, when asked by the august Skipper "Gilligan, what would you do if one morning you woke up to find that the world was so over-crowded you didn't even have a place to stand?"

Gilligan responded, "I'd just go back to bed". <insert gong noise> <g>

Yes, if these predictions are true, then those of us with kids face the grim possibility of seeing them suffer, ourselves suffer, or their children suffering the coming plagues. Its gonna take a lot of Buddhist detachment and "big picture" views to survive, not to mention a strong immune system...

Our current daily reminders of death of loved ones on the evening news should give us some education on learning to support each other during crisis.
 

Tunde

"Keep Moving Forward"
One of the things I'm very concerned about is that I foresee the rise of a homo superioris, that another species is going to be created. That the affluent technologically advanced countries will have access to this and that the non-technological countries won't. You can already begin to see this, as genetic engineering continues to develop. The genome has been mapped, and we're beginning to figure out where the switches are that turn things off and on.

People are going to order up children. You know, you want to have a child, so you go in, and you'll see some kind of health professional whose specialty doesn't exist at the moment, and they'll flip the switches. You'll say, "I want a child that's as smart as Stephen Hawking and as athletically endowed as Michael Jordan, and is as good looking as Angelina Jolie." Out of that will come this race of people, this subspecies of people who get engineered. And they will in turn pass this on to their progeny, and over centuries (this isn't all going to happen by 2050), what's going to happen is that the human species is going to diverge. So that people who do not have access to these technologies will continue to have illnesses, but people who are affluent will be able to avoid most of the chronic illnesses. People won't be born nearsighted anymore, diabetes will disappear, heart disease and hypertension, all of that. That's going to get tweaked. So our children or our children's children will benefit from that and will look very different.
This part is trully scary but extremely possible.
I also remember Joe mcmoneagle picking up something
similar on his report on the year 3000.
He said in Ultimate Time Traveller,
page 271

"The population is very small. In searching for
a cause. I sense there were at least two great wars
but they were not the cause. There were terrible plagues
which stripped the world- over 600 years past- during a
dark time when men created germs that would not
have otherwise seen the light of day. Now population
controls are voluntary and precise.

Births are planned and orchestrated according to
both need and desire.

Care is is no longer taken to ensure a higher IQ,
the right kind of eyes or additional strength. Even the
sex of a child is held in wonderment till birth"


So it seems like Schwartz 2050 eugenics nightamare
future ends up being balanced out in Joes
future of the year 3000 where mistakes of the past
were duly noted and rectified.

hmm maybe its time to dust down and re watch Gattaca again from my DVD collection :(

Tunde
 

RedCairo

do you ever dream you're someone else?
Well, look at the bright side Tunde. We won't be around to be miserable about it, given the medical system seems a bit more interested in killing us sloowwwwly (eternal 'treatment' medication costs) rather than extending us indefinitely.

Besides, people tend to think the culture they grow up in is perfectly normal. ;D
 

tbone

Member
Wow, this is an old thread. I'm getting ready for Joe McMoneagle's prediction of a huge stock market increase in 2020. It could very well happen after the current cratering of the market.
 
Top