CRV Expansion 2

[alexispoquiz]

"Social Media RV Propaganda Blitz".

The idea is quite simple...on a given date, we have as many of our members post a Remote Viewing related article, link, paper, video, documentary, etc on ALL social media platforms.

The effect of this group effort will raise the global awareness of RV.

We live in an age of information-overload and information-competition. To the average netizen the information around them is nearly invisible. The information that "we see" is the information that "moves." By creating a sudden massive movement of information we create "awareness". Imagine being in the middle of a forest. Everwhere around you there are static unmoving trees. The most interesting thing around you will not be the trees or the bits of indivual leaves falling down... it is the "moving" lifeform... it is that deer that's moving or that squirrel that is moving up the tree.

We also live in an age of Narcissism. This means that the new generation is more interested in "me, me, me". This is what facebook, myspace and twitter is all about. "We" are more interested in the subjects that our friends, family and everyone around us is talking about. This concerted effort focuses on the illusion that "RV is what everyone around us is talking about". It is human nature to want to be a part of the "group".

This is what I call...a "Social Media RV Propaganda Blitz" and I propose we organize such an event. What do you guys think?

I also want to bring up the idea of ethics, because I know it will pop up. I understand that some of you will probably feel that this is "misleading" and wrong. First off, there is absolutely nothing "misleading" going on. We have clearly defined it as "Propaganda". That's what it is. It isn't sugar-coated. It is pure propaganda. Second, is it wrong to take advantage of human nature? For us to be applying our understanding of human nature for the purpose of raising awareness to Remote Viewing...I don't think so. "Marketing" is not evil. This is what it is, we are "marketing" Remote Viewing.

But yeah... in terms of "CRV Expansion"... getting more people aware of RV will definitely help to expand CRV.

 

[katzenhai2]

What are the goals? To expand CRV? Why?
The most important goal is IMO to get more quality in sessions, more knowledge gained by CRV with existing people. But not more people learning a structure which they will abandon after stage 3 (as 90% do). There are already enough people in training and interested into CRV. Expand their experience and skill. Get them ready to work more. Its not about telling ordinary people about RV.

If people can find a place which gain their knowledge and skill they will say "hello" itself.

 

[Loraine]

Its ALL about telling 'ordinary' people about RV, as far as I'm concerned. The most 'ordinary' people have the greatest need to learn to see through lies. I see RV as the next step in the blue print of human language development, a new grammar and syntax to apply to our language data base enabling intuitive processing to break free of intellectual dominance.

 

[Marv_Darley]

I'm all up for what Alexis proposes - just for the sheer fun of it. Count me in if you organise anything and need viewers.

Marv

 

[daz]

Alex,

"Social Media RV Propaganda Blitz".

It may be better to discuss this on the board proper and not here within CRV only.

I understand you enthusiasm but this isn't the forum for his en devour, especially As i don't, I am afraid mirror your goals.
You see I don't feel or see a need to shout about Rv from the rooftops - i don't want to or see any need to try and convert people towards our way of thinking. Now, for those who stumble upon the path I am willing to help if i can, but the blind - well this quote says it better than I ever could.

Your work is not to drag the world kicking and screaming into a new awareness.
Your job is to simply do your work.. sacredly, secretly, and silently...
And those with 'eyes to see and ears to hear', will respond.
- the Arcturians

I would rather see that enthusiasm of your go into training and self awareness instead of worrying about the blind. Forget about the masses - they are not ready, don't want it and in fact less than 1% can do it to any real skill level anyway. I know this may sound defeatest - its not, its just not IMO a valuable use of resources. I have many times argues online with skeptics, done sessions for them, showed examples - it never changes any minds. It just makes me angry and uses my time.

Better time would be spent of public RV demo projects - doing some good, then sharing the results.

Again I love your enthusiasm - just put it to good use - but hey it only my opinion.

All the best...
Daz

 

[penny]

Interesting comment from Lorraine about RV as the next step in the blue print of human language.

quote, "..there must be an ability to expand our mental concept and to build (the antahkarana) or that bridge (of communication) which all who seek to function in the Buddhic vehicle must build between the higher and lower mind, hence the necessity for the use of the imagination and its ultimate transmutation into intuition." "..will be able to think in abstract terms and use the abstract mind, ..to perfect the link between the mental and buddhic"

It would be good to have a thread devoted to the intuition, defining intuition with everybodys input.

 

[Loraine]

I'm all up for what Alexis proposes - just for the sheer fun of it. Count me in if you organise anything and need viewers.

Marv

Alexis is organising it here https://www.facebook.com/events/402148666488225/402148673154891/?comment_id=402910093078749&notif_t=event_mall_reply

 

[Loraine]

Interesting comment from Lorraine about RV as the next step in the blue print of human language.

quote, "..there must be an ability to expand our mental concept and to build (the antahkarana) or that bridge (of communication) which all who seek to function in the Buddhic vehicle must build between the higher and lower mind, hence the necessity for the use of the imagination and its ultimate transmutation into intuition." "..will be able to think in abstract terms and use the abstract mind, ..to perfect the link between the mental and buddhic"

It would be good to have a thread devoted to the intuition, defining intuition with everybodys input.

RV was presented to me from the get go as an evolutionary step up of language function, and it continues to make perfect sense to me to think of it as such. It's also very easy to explain and teach with this approach, no one gets bambouzled by hypothetical science or put off by belief based mumbo jumbo. I think it's often forgotten that 'transcending time and space' includes transcending substance, which is well within the scope of an abstract linguistic model where as, by definition, science only admits matter - so can't 'see' let alone describe or understand mind over matter (and beliefs are uselessly arbitrary as well as subjective)

 

[BigRed333]

Alexis: The worst thing about your proposition is that it is dark. If by some chance there is a Narcisstic Generation, the last thing I intend to do with my precious time is blitz them with all my hard earned CRV knowledge. Sounds a lot like blitzing coke addicts with coke because they are curious, frenzied, addicted to social network, whatever garbage you are spouting here.

Also re this Narcissitic generation – please let me know – are you a part of this? Is there a date cut off like let’s say those born after 1985 and therefore I and my dear altruistic humanitarian friends are not in this generational age you refer to. I hope so, because there are a lot of wonderful people who do give their time and resources to make the world a better place. Sorrry you have not run into them. Maybe you need to get off of tkr facebook and with all the other mindless junk you spend your time spouting on and go visit a homeless shelter or an addiction recovery clinic and see all the wonderful people trying to help fellow humans. And just to assure you that I am being utterly sarcastic regarding the post-1985 timeframe, I know some wonderful people of all ages, and yes, it is difficult for them in this often-shallow social media world, but they are trying their best to do good in the world instead of continually having this stream of garbage and propaganda as you suggest. They are trying very hard. Could you spare them and me having to wade through your self-serving emails, pretty please?

But I don’t even know if you’ll read this because you just seem to drop in when you feel like it, much like pigeon dung falls from the sky – we never know when it is coming or where it will land.

Point here is, Daz, I thought we were going to work here – do we need these nonsense ego-feeding ideas to muck up the CRV forum. Would be nice not to have to wade through crap such as alexpoquiz in his self-aggrandizement suggests. Alexis: There are many among us who want to use CRV to make the world a better place, not to feed some “narcissistic” whatever blather you refer to.

My opinion of course. -Mary

 

[alexispoquiz]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! So much hate! I have never been so hated for posting my ideas as much as this. I feel so welcomed to be here and I feel so safe to express my ideas... LOL!! First off Mary, lucky for you. I’m a United States Marine, so I can take a lot of $#!7talking and just shru.g it off Hugs and Kisses <(^_^<). Sending you lots of love and warm fuzzies!

Now…lets try this again…this time, I’ll start with the definition of that evil word “Propaganda”.

PRO-PA-GAN-DA:
1.information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to “HELP” or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

What I am suggesting is a concerted effort by the Remote Viewing community, to deliberately, intentionally, spread the information of Remote Viewing through social media outlets for the purpose of expanding the interest of Remote Viewing. We will accomplish this by coordinating with fellow supporters of Remote Viewers…picking a date or a time period… and have everyone post, tweet, share, like, etc. during that time period. This should hypothetically generate a sudden extreme interest in Remote Viewing…hopefully capturing the attention of a certain percentage of the general population, which out of that small pool of people, an even smaller percentage will become serious RV practitioners.

The “Arcturians” are dead wrong… Sure. I can neglect the world and try to find and reach the pinnacle of enlightenment on my own… but after I’ve reached that point… I leave behind everyone else to fend for themselves and reach enlightenment on their own… We "human beings" have a saying…

“No one gets left behind.”

If I’m going to reach enlightenment, I’m taking every human being with me!!!

 

[daz]

Alex,
please don't be put off its not Hate - just differing viewpoints.

What I am suggesting is a concerted effort by the Remote Viewing community, to deliberately, intentionally, spread the information of Remote Viewing through social media outlets for the purpose of expanding the interest of Remote Viewing. We will accomplish this by coordinating with fellow supporters of Remote Viewers…picking a date or a time period… and have everyone post, tweet, share, like, etc. during that time period. This should hypothetically generate a sudden extreme interest in Remote Viewing…hopefully capturing the attention of a certain percentage of the general population, which out of that small pool of people, an even smaller percentage will become serious RV practitioners.

Alex, IMO the best way this can be achieved is by very well designed and run - public RV experiments - not by soundbites of gimmicks. To date this has not been done very well.

I do feel Im doing my own small part in this 'grand' plan, I write, help out where possible, share sessions, do public projects and publish a free magazine. I don't know what more I can do.

If I’m going to reach enlightenment, I’m taking every human being with me!!!

LOL i wish you well but its never going to happen - Ive been told, shown and have experienced the universe works in ways to try and achieve 'balance' there never will be a 100% fully enlightened human race on earth - this isn't balance - but feel try to try.

All the best...

Daz

PS. I enjoy your enthusiasm.

 

[BigRed333]

Alexis: I had deleted my account last week but re-installed it when i heard that you perceived that I was hating on you Wanted to jump back in and clarify. I don’t hate you, I don’t even know you. And some remote viewing theorists believe that we are all connected; I believe this, so since we are connected, we are brothers and sisters, and they do fight and disagree, dang as a Marine I would think you understood that! And I guess you didn’t like my “tone”? Again, Marines are tougher than that! What’s all this about a warm and fuzzy welcome. I welcome you better than fake warm and fuzzy, I welcome you sincerely….and as a US Marine I would be honored to shake your hand and buy you a beer. Thank you very much for your service to our country Alexis.

To stay on topic, your first post (to which I reacted so strongly) mentioned narcissistic generation and propaganda. If you don’t expect me to react with strong aversion to this garbage then I am sorry, I cannot comply. I have a bad feeling about this Alex, and I know you understand as a developing RVer how vital it is to follow one’s gut. And now you come back with another definition of Propoganda and more garbage about dragging folks off to enlightenment. It would be nice if you deferred to good advice asking that you stop spouting garbage, but I guess you will do as you please and I can’t stop you. And I also respect TKR and the majority rule (I mean in theory and practice I do, in honesty I don’t agree with majority rule), so if I am the minority voice telling you to please use that dictionary of yours more often, no make that a thesaurus, because Marketing Blitz is one thing, Propoganda is another. I can’t even believe I’m having a conversation with someone about what propaganda means and how immoral unethical and just freaking disgusting it is, but this is rv world, strange things happen. But having followed my moral duty to speak out, you seem to be a person with a mind of his own, so carry on, I won’t stop you. Every once in a while I may swoop in like an American Eagle and sink my claws into your back if I really find you out of hand, but in honesty, once again, I probably won’t be reading the forums because I so often have dissenting views and I need to put my precious energy towards other things; much of rv world is not listening to me (I’ve had many skirmishes in other rv forums – you are far from the first I’ve locked horns with in rv world), so please do not take this personally – dang! I far from hate you, I just am direct, and if I was spouting garbage and someone grabbed me by the scruff of the neck to stop me, I would be very grateful and take it as an act of tough love. Not many people do that these days, and the garbage just continues stream in and to pile up, but I will go where I can to somehow slow the flow where I can here and there. Best wishes in your rv studies, and thanks again very much for your service as a US Marine Alex, you will be in my prayers as such –Sincerely, Mary

 

[RedCairo]

TKR is not anybody's turf. It is a public project and anybody seriously interested in remote viewing is as much a part of it as anybody else. If there were anybody to claim turf it'd be me since I pay for it, but I say the project charter is the master, and the charter says it's everybody's. The CRV section here is under daz's personal management, but within TKR it's a public board which still makes it open to anybody as that's how he has structured it.

IMO Alexis is feeling exactly what most people seriously interested in remote viewing but relatively new to it often feel: that it's the coolest thing around and that the combination of no promotion and sometimes unfortunate (or unfortunate-source) promotion is tragic, and that it would be great if RV's cooler parts could be better promoted to the world.

I was that way for many years. A lot of us were, some still are. There is nothing bad at all about that.

I got old and cynical, and now I believe that few people are truly capable of handling it psychologically without cracking. I'd rather have it be quiet, more like a shamanic path, and make people hunt it down and have to work hard at it. But, people differ.

Which is not to say that I wouldn't love to see a lot less BS and a lot more free no-nonsense information, always as a given -- which has been a big part of what TKR itself as well as Daz on his site and his boards here, have tried for.

But there is no good reason to make a big fight out of trivial stuff.

Daz and I (separately and often in different ways) have been involved in this subject since 1995. I don't know his opinion for sure on this, but I know mine: there are a lot of unfortunate things about the 'social world' of RV, but one of the most unfortunate, aside from the borderline personalities problem, is the inability of people to hold civil adult conversations. There is nothing wrong with opinion-critique, sure, and as the TKR charter says, "spirited debate" is a given, I love debate even fierce debate as long as it is REAL debate which means "about issues and points," but having a valid critique or questioning of someone's protocol or process point (or publicly available documented history) is not at all like just burying otherwise good conversations in pedantic social argument.

PJ

PS Daz I'm curious how one can reconcile CRV expansion with the concept of maintaining what is actually called CRV -- that being "the thing Ingo did as an unfinished experiment" as opposed to merely 'controlling' the internal RV process which I assume is every methodology usable for the art (including whatever freestyle thing someone chooses to do, with a degree of consistency and controlling intention). Does not expanding its definition by the same token, dilute its definition? I'm just trying to start an argument ;D but seriously...

 

[RedCairo]

Enlightenment: Every blade of grass, as the Buddha said.

... it's gonna take awhile.

 

[daz]

Pj,
first I agree with your thoughts above I would prefer Honest, spirited debate - and have myself been involved and used in childish responses from people who cant debate their standpoint and turn to mockery instead to express differing opinions.

I love Alex's enthusiasm - it reminds me of myself in '95 when I felt the same - but years of toil have now hardened me to a realization of where RV is at. RV is an amazing skill with gargantuan potential - I still feel we have only touched the faint edges of its potential and that its us as humans that are actually holding ourselves back. This is done out of greed, ego, selfishness, stupidity and ignorance - some large scale human traits that rule across everything and not just RV.

Now back to Pj's question:

PS Daz I'm curious how one can reconcile CRV expansion with the concept of maintaining what is actually called CRV -- that being "the thing Ingo did as an unfinished experiment" as opposed to merely 'controlling' the internal RV process which I assume is every methodology usable for the art (including whatever freestyle thing someone chooses to do, with a degree of consistency and controlling intention). Does not expanding its definition by the same token, dilute its definition? I'm just trying to start an argument Grin Cheesy Wink but seriously...

CRV - or controlled remote viewing - its just what is says - a way of controlling the remote viewing experience. Ingo and the others gave us a great foundation with the six stage process - but even Ingo was already experimenting with a S7 and S8, who know where Ingos' CRV would have gone if he and Hal had been involved longer and the funding continued.

Its my current belief that the 'foundation' of CRV - its six stage process should be learnt until the student is fluent and confident in its integration into him/herself. Then as this student ventures into the 'real world' away from the classroom into a wider world - they then may find that the actual tool isn't in its current format usable for all the needed situations throw at it. A good student would then learn to use other tools, to bend previous lessons and knowledge, to expand it as it needs to.

If for example you go to a fight with the skill of Karate - and you find your opponent is a wrestler - then once he is past your guard and has you in a lock - if you didn't lean how to wrestle then Karate cant help you any longer. Its the same with CRV - out of the box its great for teaching you to control your remote viewing - as a tool for operational use applicable to all situations the world throws at you - its not in a complete enough state to cover all these.
The student has to take responsibility to 'adapt and overcome' - to expand on the initial groundwork of the six stage CRV themselves. Nothing is set in stone - we have to expand all our knowledge.

I'm a great fan of Bruce Lee, he went out of his way to learn all he could form every fighting skill, he used this to then expand on his 'core' fighting method to create something better - something fluid and something that worked for him - that is what we have to do. CRV shouldn't be a box you have to stay in - yes, at first live in the box, get to know it intimately - then when the time is right - move outside the box and expand.

I see the six stage Ingo CRV as foundation to be built upon.
I'm convinced there are more things we can expand with that enhance CRV and not dilute it. Tome McNears additional stages concepts presented in the First CRV manual/document clearly show his thinking at the time on this too.

But it is up to the individual to be aware of the dilation - but then again - if CRV totally dissolves into something awesome that workings that well for the individual then I don't see this as being wrong either. I've already changed and expanded my use of CRV - does this make me any less of a CRVer - I don't believe so - I believe it makes a stronger CRVer.

 

[RedCairo]

CRV - or controlled remote viewing - its just what is says - a way of controlling the remote viewing experience.

Ah, but you see, I use it that way too privately, as a term, but I am careful about doing so publicly because "Ingo's Experiment" is what this term is used for in the marketing sense and for most people in the field.

You followed all that by making clear "Ingo's Experiment" is actually what you mean -- but it is one thing for Ingo's method to be "one way of controlling something," it is quite another to have the term "controlled remote viewing" actually MEAN "THAT way" instead of "any controlled way."

One way, the term is inclusive of any method of controlling the psi experience performed within an RV protocol. That is to say, anybody with a controlled methodology for psi, used within an RV protocol, could call it CRV.

Another way, the term is exclusive only to Ingo's method. Which does rather 'steal' common english away from the common language and into a trademark-like use. As if "remote viewing" as a term itself didn't already do that.

Now normally one of these two opposite ways of using the term is employed, but you are starting with the former (it means any controlled method), moving to the latter (it specifically means Swann's method), but then returning to the former again (ok Swann's method but also anything else which may change or even totally replace Swann's method for the individual).

Which is to say that by the time you're done with it, you've just divested the term of any meaning specific to Ingo's experiment.

Which is fine by me, I'm merely pointing it out. ;D

It means that for you because it's your interest. Still, wouldn't it have been nice if they all hadn't so completely screwed up so much terminology back in the day, so it wouldn't all be such a headache for us now. Not just about this, but the term RV itself, and more.

PJ

 

[daz]

PJ,
I think to try to keep things clear CRV is a reference to controlled remote viewing - Ingo stylee.
other variants of controlled remote viewing have their own name and slant and yes you are correct in pointing this out.I don't want to make anything more confusing than it already is.

I'm saying for the student for years its the Soley the Ingo method - then when the student is both competent and confident it can be expanded - its still Ingos style but can (hopefully)be added-to without damage.
I have done this myself, now does this make me a CRVer any more or should I class what I do as something else? Well its 90% Ingo CRV with a twist of Daz So I still class it as CRV. I believe we all just need to be open, honest and sensible with how and what we say.

Yes, terminology has not helped RV a single bit - sometimes my head feels like an alphabet soup of acronyms

All the best...
Daz

 

[MadManMal]

For me there is a natural sequence of events in life "we learn" "we lose" "we learn" "we get better" it does not really matter what we want for other people in the end it will happen anyway because people get emotions and accept or deny,and if they deny it only slows the proccess somewhat. when we run as a group we generally end up at the slowest persons ability.
That is not to say that individuals cannot improve when the group is not all runnning together
The good thing about RV it would seem, is that it is not age specific....and thats good news for i cnnot run as fast as i used too

 

[katzenhai2]

Any human being can find "enlightment" (as RV) only on their own. You can talk. You can give hints in a direction. But thats it.