CRV EXPANSION:
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alexispoquiz
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What do people think about incorporate gaming mechanics into the concept of Remote Viewing? I'm thinking something similar to the XBOX LIVE ACHIEVEMENT SYSTEM.
- http://mashable.com/2010/07/13/game-mechanics-business/
PatMcDonald
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alexispoquiz said:
There are parallels and shared concepts here. Probably because quite a bit of computer gaming is exploration - learning each game's structure, limitations, and possibilities. Not sure how much is transferable between the 2 skill sets (RV and game design/playing) but they do have some commonality.
Interesting idea.
The problem we have is that RV/CRV development is like an iceberg. the tip which is what shows - external is 5%. the rest 95% of the skills, development, learning is internal and not seen - harder to evaluate and score.
I don't know how familiar you guys are with the fiction/films of Star Wars but it is almost like the Jedi training. a lot of it is internal, ethical, self knowledge -with five levels or achievements.
The overall problem is scoring and assessing the skills and abilities of a person.
But its interesting to hear your thoughts on how this all might be achievable.
Daz
The problem we have is that RV/CRV development is like an iceberg. the tip which is what shows - external is 5%. the rest 95% of the skills, development, learning is internal and not seen - harder to evaluate and score.
I don't know how familiar you guys are with the fiction/films of Star Wars but it is almost like the Jedi training. a lot of it is internal, ethical, self knowledge -with five levels or achievements.
The overall problem is scoring and assessing the skills and abilities of a person.
But its interesting to hear your thoughts on how this all might be achievable.
Daz
alexispoquiz
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Remote Viewers quit because:
-- curiosity alone is not enough motivation to keep going
-- I fail session after session and getting nowhere (in other words effort is not rewarded)
-- I have nothing to show for (achievements serve a bragging purpose)
-- I don't know if I'm improving (a level up rpg equivalent)
-- I feel alone (videogames can turn solo events into social experiences)
Videogames have the potential to counteract major weaknesses of Remote Viewing. Effort can be rewarded. Achievements can serve the ego. Levels can map progression. Sharing and team based objectives provide a social experience.
-- curiosity alone is not enough motivation to keep going
-- I fail session after session and getting nowhere (in other words effort is not rewarded)
-- I have nothing to show for (achievements serve a bragging purpose)
-- I don't know if I'm improving (a level up rpg equivalent)
-- I feel alone (videogames can turn solo events into social experiences)
Videogames have the potential to counteract major weaknesses of Remote Viewing. Effort can be rewarded. Achievements can serve the ego. Levels can map progression. Sharing and team based objectives provide a social experience.
ALex,
An interesting idea but let me deal with your comments first.
My aim is to be the best remote viewer. i also want to share and help others and to also explore. these are my motivations - you have to find yours and go for them
There is no such thing as a 'bad' session - they always have something to show you - to learn from.
Now back to your post, adding elements to Rv to help with your thoughts may help but I don't think these are the reasons people quit - I believe they quit like most things because not many people can dedicate 10+ years/all their life to improving in a single discipline. One which (at this time) doesn't have a huge monetary potential.
True, but all this can be countered within Rv - join some praccy groups, discuss on forums, participate in public projects, help others.
All the best...
Daz
An interesting idea but let me deal with your comments first.
Alex, set yourself a goal. Ill share mine. I want to be the best remote viewer - full stop.
My aim is to be the best remote viewer. i also want to share and help others and to also explore. these are my motivations - you have to find yours and go for them
A session fail by accuracy - is not a session fail by learning experience. you learn much much more from 'off' sessions than 'on' sessions. always review where you went wrong, make notes, theorise and think about the session.
There is no such thing as a 'bad' session - they always have something to show you - to learn from.
Everything your learn - each new insight no matter how small is something to show. bragging rights - if that's what you want may eventually come, although Im not sure RV is the tool for this endeavour.
EVERY Session where you learn something new - a single thing - is an improvement. People don't improve by hitting the target every time, they improve by missing and understanding why.
LOL you'll always be improving but its over a long period of time - gradual.
Not any more - come here, discuss, or email me and well have a skype and discuss. You are not alone.
Now back to your post, adding elements to Rv to help with your thoughts may help but I don't think these are the reasons people quit - I believe they quit like most things because not many people can dedicate 10+ years/all their life to improving in a single discipline. One which (at this time) doesn't have a huge monetary potential.
True, but all this can be countered within Rv - join some praccy groups, discuss on forums, participate in public projects, help others.
All the best...
Daz
alexispoquiz
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An inspiring and uplifting response. Thank you 
Why didn't I join this forum sooner
Why didn't I join this forum sooner alexispoquiz said:Why didn't I join this forum sooner
My thoughts exactly when I found this site after first coming on line via 'the joke that was' RV-UK and worse still IRVA. TKR has undoubtedly more meaningful useful real RV and discussion than other public forums/sites. For real, it's realer and realest so far, Alexis, as a real viewer you're in the right place here.
stewart edwards
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It is indeed about the force, and it does have a dark and a light side, which each of us has to battle through life. [egs, shall I ask her out for a date - but what if she says no -- shall I eat that chocolate bar - yumm -- being a model employee yet a wife beater --- being a Nazi death camp guard who cares tenderly for a birds broken wing etc]]Daz Smith said:
As I suspect Daz knows, you really can "feel" the force. And once you feel it you can use it. But it is not easy.
In days gone by (before money ruled) that was done in the ancient mystery schools and more recently lodges. Even if you take a standard typical English/continental craft masonic lodge and look at the ritual of the craft alone, you can see these things. Have a look at the work of MacNulty "Way of the Craftsman" Be warned however that not all masons agree.
To Answer Dazs other question from above - how to take CRV forwards after the 6 stages.........clearly as I am a newbie I don't know....but I would guess, learn to follow the energy flows back to their source pivots points, learn to differentiate between the dark and light inputs, and then learn how to inject energy back into that system if required. Though that could get real unethical real quick. While you might intend to heal, you might hurt. While you might want to save lives, you might cause harm. This will only be available to the human race one it truly is one people one planet [and then only in the context of this planet] else real havoc will be caused as nations try to kill, murder, maim and rewrite history, all in the narrow aims and objectives of "national interest" when it is "planetary interest" that is the key. But could, in due course, be used very positively. Anytime soon, only expect such things to work where there is real planetary interest, not that as viewed from a political or military perspective.
It is possible to send energy down the internet, whether as words that heal or hurt a person, or as computer code. At a conceptual level it is no different, if you can connect and view, you can transfer energy, we just are not sufficiently evolved as people yet to do it. So as with most things the answers lies in human evolution. That is a pre-requisite. We are getting there.
But again I could be talking nonsense. After all I do like fruit and nut chocolate (a bit too much)
ScientistGeorge
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Hi all:
I have two techniques that should greatly improve RV & PSI and at least two more that should make moderate improvements. The first one is going to be the quickest one to write about here, as I'm not going to actually try to explain it in writing. I tried that about 12 years ago as an HRVG suggested target and it seemed to be a complete waste of my time and I don't really enjoy writing all that much.
What this concept is, is a target or more accurately a way of thinking about targets. This is a tricky way of thinking. So, I'm convinced that the only way for me to share this is to talk one on one with a targeter like Courtney who can task some good viewers, or someone that can get the ear of such a person and feels that they can understand tricky concepts. I think that good viewers like Daz & Dick could get somewhat front loaded and that would not be good.
As I see it, this concept should be able to greatly empower all kinds of RVers and similar people. The concept can also make the process of RV etc. much more valuable.
So, again, if there is someone willing to talk with me about this concept for maybe a half hour to an hour that can get it to a good tasker, we could go forward with it. If not, forget it.
Here's a teaser on the second technique for empowering RV etc. I have techniques that seem to expand consciousness quite quickly and I'd like to see what happens with RV etc.
I have two techniques that should greatly improve RV & PSI and at least two more that should make moderate improvements. The first one is going to be the quickest one to write about here, as I'm not going to actually try to explain it in writing. I tried that about 12 years ago as an HRVG suggested target and it seemed to be a complete waste of my time and I don't really enjoy writing all that much.
What this concept is, is a target or more accurately a way of thinking about targets. This is a tricky way of thinking. So, I'm convinced that the only way for me to share this is to talk one on one with a targeter like Courtney who can task some good viewers, or someone that can get the ear of such a person and feels that they can understand tricky concepts. I think that good viewers like Daz & Dick could get somewhat front loaded and that would not be good.
As I see it, this concept should be able to greatly empower all kinds of RVers and similar people. The concept can also make the process of RV etc. much more valuable.
So, again, if there is someone willing to talk with me about this concept for maybe a half hour to an hour that can get it to a good tasker, we could go forward with it. If not, forget it.
Here's a teaser on the second technique for empowering RV etc. I have techniques that seem to expand consciousness quite quickly and I'd like to see what happens with RV etc.
Daz Smith said:
ScientistGeorge
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Looks like I put this in the wrong place and I don't see any way to delete it.
ScientistGeorge
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A simple way to put this is that RV can be used to greatly empower RV and then almost anything else! It's just some tricky thinking.
ScientistGeorge said:
ScientistGeorge
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I got another idea as to how to share this wonderful concept. Courtney has not responded to my "email" so I'm trying to get the concept to him via remote thoughts. The tapping processes that I use can be used for remote influencing. This remote influencing tends to splatter and come back on oneself, so I do not use it for negative purposes. What I'm going to do is explain this RV empowerment concept to various friends and have them tap with me to send Courtney this idea.
So, if Courtney suddenly comes up with a "great idea" it just might be what we sent him via the tapping process. I'm also planning on recording my explanations and if I get a good one recorded, I'll likely share that recording.
So, if Courtney suddenly comes up with a "great idea" it just might be what we sent him via the tapping process. I'm also planning on recording my explanations and if I get a good one recorded, I'll likely share that recording.
ScientistGeorge said:
Peace yall.
Ive been experimenting with 3 VISUAL ideograms before my initial S1 IAB stage. I combined a technique from SILVA MIND CONTROL (a popular meditation technique methodology) where you create a "TV screen" in your mind to project images / visuals (http://www.amazon.ca/Silva-Mind-Control-Method/dp/0671739891/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431971678&sr=8-1&keywords=silva+mind+control ) combining This technique with subconscious NLP eye movements (looking up and to the left for visual recall ) Ive had great successes obtaining great visual contact before the first ideogram has been taken I then continue with CRV stages 1- 6 . I recently saw the remote viewing 9/11 and Cydonia and the HRVG method seems to have a good control on this type of visual contact. Would love to know what anyone thinks or if they have tried anything similar. I have some video sessions on my youtube where Im practicing using this technique to expand the CRV process.
Here is one example of great contact within the first minute of the session before any regular ideograms some of the main aspects of the target are communicated through visual ideograms. the target was a boat accident . A boat hits a bridge due to a powerful current in the water and becomes submerged below but then resurfaces on the other side some what unexpectedly/miraculously .
this was a blind target practice session from crviewer.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Q6tfq5FcU
These visual ideograms can be probed for information as well. still experimenting would love some input from others
Ive been experimenting with 3 VISUAL ideograms before my initial S1 IAB stage. I combined a technique from SILVA MIND CONTROL (a popular meditation technique methodology) where you create a "TV screen" in your mind to project images / visuals (http://www.amazon.ca/Silva-Mind-Control-Method/dp/0671739891/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431971678&sr=8-1&keywords=silva+mind+control ) combining This technique with subconscious NLP eye movements (looking up and to the left for visual recall ) Ive had great successes obtaining great visual contact before the first ideogram has been taken I then continue with CRV stages 1- 6 . I recently saw the remote viewing 9/11 and Cydonia and the HRVG method seems to have a good control on this type of visual contact. Would love to know what anyone thinks or if they have tried anything similar. I have some video sessions on my youtube where Im practicing using this technique to expand the CRV process.
Here is one example of great contact within the first minute of the session before any regular ideograms some of the main aspects of the target are communicated through visual ideograms. the target was a boat accident . A boat hits a bridge due to a powerful current in the water and becomes submerged below but then resurfaces on the other side some what unexpectedly/miraculously .
this was a blind target practice session from crviewer.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Q6tfq5FcU
These visual ideograms can be probed for information as well. still experimenting would love some input from others
RVTrainee001
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Awesome!
I experiment with visual ideograms as well as i would like to be able to see more of the target. Also, it seems that grabbing these visual data bits may help to increase target contact earlier on, allowing perhaps faster movement through from stage 1 to stage 4.
In my experiments, i often get teh shape right but orientation might be incorrect. for instance a cacti might be horizontal instead of vertical or a bridge might be vertical instead of horizontal.
so far, the visual ideograms i get have been small. even if i have gotten aspects such as a "boat" it has been the front part of the boat as compared to an entire boat.
I would be interested in hearing how to develop those ideograms into more fully fleshed out visuals.
Other related experiment that i want to work more on is incorporate ERV into the beginning of the CRV session rather than the end.
I experiment with visual ideograms as well as i would like to be able to see more of the target. Also, it seems that grabbing these visual data bits may help to increase target contact earlier on, allowing perhaps faster movement through from stage 1 to stage 4.
In my experiments, i often get teh shape right but orientation might be incorrect. for instance a cacti might be horizontal instead of vertical or a bridge might be vertical instead of horizontal.
so far, the visual ideograms i get have been small. even if i have gotten aspects such as a "boat" it has been the front part of the boat as compared to an entire boat.
I would be interested in hearing how to develop those ideograms into more fully fleshed out visuals.
Other related experiment that i want to work more on is incorporate ERV into the beginning of the CRV session rather than the end.
RVTrainee001
Member
Oh yes, the key strength of VISIDs is that they are literal rather than symbolic. some of the visuals have had some symbolic elements, such as person being a represented by a circle but for the most part they are literal representations of some aspect of the target site.
the downside is that they represent a high degree of in session frontloading, sort of pollution that may lead to greater amount of AOL.
the downside is that they represent a high degree of in session frontloading, sort of pollution that may lead to greater amount of AOL.
Jon_Knowles
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I agree - Awesome! Awesome that you are posting videos of live RV sessions and that you got essential elements of the target on the river through this method.
Maybe you've seen Edward Riordan's live RV session videos. He has posted many. It's great to see these! - may inspire others of us to give it a try too with a white board and a camera.
(And of course Daz and Dick Allgire have done several onscreen live videos for Courtney Brown's projects.)
The idea of a mental screen or projection area - I've used that myself recently. I got it through guided meditation with Don Walker - it's a screen on a desk on a beach right at the water's edge. Don't have enough results yet. Am doing only short ARV sessions at present. The idea of a screen like this is also found in some of the psi work done in China maybe 25 years ago.
I see you have 4 other on camera videos. Haven't watched those yet. How did they turn out?
Jon
P.S. Speaking of making a video, what sort of equipment would you recommend (or anyone else who is doing this or knows about the equipment)? I think Ed Riordan offered some advice about this - will see if I can find it on his web site.
Maybe you've seen Edward Riordan's live RV session videos. He has posted many. It's great to see these! - may inspire others of us to give it a try too with a white board and a camera.
(And of course Daz and Dick Allgire have done several onscreen live videos for Courtney Brown's projects.)
The idea of a mental screen or projection area - I've used that myself recently. I got it through guided meditation with Don Walker - it's a screen on a desk on a beach right at the water's edge. Don't have enough results yet. Am doing only short ARV sessions at present. The idea of a screen like this is also found in some of the psi work done in China maybe 25 years ago.
I see you have 4 other on camera videos. Haven't watched those yet. How did they turn out?
Jon
P.S. Speaking of making a video, what sort of equipment would you recommend (or anyone else who is doing this or knows about the equipment)? I think Ed Riordan offered some advice about this - will see if I can find it on his web site.
Thanks, yes I video tape most of my sessions and do a lot of whiteboard stuff, something about standing and working a target feels more kinestetically connected as well as when you whipe the whiteboard clean helps to clear the last impressions .Jon K said:
I watch all of eds videos and they help me alot in my learning process, so I'm trying to post videos to be a catalyst for others to dive in and "see" what a session can look like . It really helps thoese who don't have teachers or instructors or anything to compare to.
mscir
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Re: CRV EXPANSION: Wim Hof deep breathing for cool down & after AOL
This may be OT, it doesn't add any stages to extend CRV, but it may be useful. I have started doing rapid deep breathing after seeing Wim Hof videos, it helps me shorten the cool-down period, or bust out of AOL mode. 30-90 rapid deep breaths and POW I'm feeling really good with no advanced visuals or personal inclemency. The procedure can be found *here starting with
"1) Get comfortable and close your eyes"
Mike
*http://www.highexistence.com/the-wim-hof-method-revealed-how-to-consciously-control-your-immune-system/
This may be OT, it doesn't add any stages to extend CRV, but it may be useful. I have started doing rapid deep breathing after seeing Wim Hof videos, it helps me shorten the cool-down period, or bust out of AOL mode. 30-90 rapid deep breaths and POW I'm feeling really good with no advanced visuals or personal inclemency. The procedure can be found *here starting with
"1) Get comfortable and close your eyes"
Mike
*http://www.highexistence.com/the-wim-hof-method-revealed-how-to-consciously-control-your-immune-system/
James Cockerham
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Daz Smith said:
I will use CRV to move my muscle test data gathering foward in an effort to capture higher resolution RV video in animated 2d and 3d form. Right now, it is pretty much in a comic book form detailing highlights of interaction between multiple remote targets, making a storyline or screenplay. Want to use video to make the current data a little more linear and digestible by others.
Current tools are a basic android smartphone with camera used with finger dowsing to channel targets as I walk through market places, common areas and libraries to capture photo information, to later edit in graphic applications either on phone or more feature rich desktop applications to add greater context to captured content.
Still a beginner in RV, and could use a few art courses to refine drawing skill so I can render better character models and environments for animated scenes with RV.
Will be on this topic more once APP lotto is a fully functional group.