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CRV Stage 1 - IDEOGRAM tools.

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
#1
IDEOGRAMS - THE FOUNDATION OF CRV.

Background before you start Ideograms:
An early article from me on Ideograms - http://cosmicspoon.blogspot.co.uk/2009_01_01_archive.html

Also please read the two CRV manuals and my Open source CRV documents description and use of ideograms:
1985 - Tom McNear CRV Training notes/manual - http://tinyurl.com/d5ozper
1990's Paul H Smith Military CRV manual (Microsoft Word) - http://tinyurl.com/cyz35nx (Adobe .pdf) - http://tinyurl.com/cxo47sj
Daz Smith - Open source CRV (guide) - http://tinyurl.com/cuq8t5g


OK, so Ideograms are the foundation of Controlled remote viewing. They are the initial impacting ball of data form the target to you that you then expand and spend the next hour unraveling as a remote viewing session. When you write your target number and go straight into the Ideogram process you physical arm reflects the nature of e target instantaneously by generating a subconscious 'doodle'. Ingo once told me that the reasoning behind the creation of the Ideogram process within CRV was because during experiments in the lab the saw that people were doodling on the sides of the paper and that these seemed to have accurate features or elements of the revealed targets.

For the first Stage of CRV (Controlled remote Viewing) what we need to do is start the process of creating an Indeogram language inside of you and a clarified from of communication from one level of consciousness to another.

Now it all sounds complicated/hard don't worry about it too much - it does feel daunting - but its not. Remember - All Ideograms are, are 1 second doodles of the target.

The key to Ideograms are:
- repetition until comfortable.
- speed - do as fast as possible without thought.

How do we create this language?
Well, I found the best way was by repetition. I drilled Ideograms until I was comfortable and until they were instantaneous creations - with no thought from me. The moment I heard the cue - my arm moved unconsciously and doodled. Band the target or an element of the target - recorded in less than a second.

Drilling:
Now, most people learning CRV or RV do so on their own, so To help with ideogram drilling I created a couple of Audio drills - one for basic ideograms and when this has been learnt to the degree of being comfortable, a drill a little different and a little more complex to expand your Ideogram library.

All you need to do is download the audio files - put them on an mp3 player and create a playlist or get them to shuffle. This will play them in a random order. each one is only 1-2 seconds so you have to be fast on the draw. Just play the files and drill on sheets of paper for 5 minutes or so at a time. Very soon you will see and feel a pattern of ideograms start to form as a language.
The audio files are short - forcing you to do the drill as fast as possible which will help train it all to be an automatic process - but don't worry if at first its isn't - give it a little time.

The Drill files:

Basic Ideogram drill (zip file) - http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz-CRV%20Ideogram%20Set1.rar
Advance ideogram Drill (zip file) - http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz-CRV%20Ideogram%20set2.rar

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The basic ideogram drill as separate MP3 Audio files:
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Gas.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Life.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Manmade.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Natural.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Object.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Space.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Vegetation.mp3
http://www.remoteviewed.com/Daz%20CRv%20ideogram%20drill1/Water.mp3
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I hope these help and let me know how you get on.

All the best...
Daz
 

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
#3
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

Glad they help - this type of drilling definitely helped me in the early days.

All the best...

daz
 
#4
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

Hey folks...

Was needing to work on my ideogram skills and found this thread.
sadly I'm more visual than aduio oriented it seems.
So I built this quick little tool...

http://prologue.freehostia.com/tools/ideodrill.html

It's nothing fancy...
just a slider than randomizes basic images to help you practice instinctive ideograms.

Hope it helps someone.
 
#5
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

Just to point out before people get TOO energised about ideograms - I know of at least one very capable viewer (Marv) whose ideograms are practically identical regardless of the target.

Also, it is highly likely that the same tag, performed at different times, will produce different ideograms.

Doodling an ideograms is, I think, a GREAT foundation, very useful to the process. "The process" being decoding the doodles to try to glean information about the target (and so produce more informative sketches, models, and other communicable media representations of the target).
 
#6
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

I draw and name them on notepad, add them to vlc player(u can add them multiple times and mix them up, and then put the speed up when i am comfortable with it...i can tell you when i was in the army as a radio telegraphist many years ago learning morse code it takes a lot of practice to get the speed up to the stage where thought is no longer required and its completly automotive. i am no where near the speed i want to be at yet ...but i will get there with much practice. :)
i am short of idograms thou so if anyone could possibly send me a list of what they have it would be much appriciated...for example i dont yet have one for biological..
Many thanks

Mal
 
#7
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

I haven't given my idoegrams much thought, so far i have just automatically wrote how it felt with a probe of the pen on a contact point, many times writting the 'B' down before writting the 'A' . would this be a bad habbit to get into.?
 

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
#8
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

yes - everything done within CRv is for a reason and is tried and tested by at least one of the most tested intuitives on the planet - so why change it.

Daz
 
#9
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

I think from i have learned so far structure is so very important because it keeps the mind quiet whilst also serving to give format for better understanding...just focus on getting that right and i am sure you will see a diffeence in your work...
so yes i would think following the correct steps is important.As for the ideograms themselves they seem to work for me but as i have said i am only new myself. I will mention thou that in life if you want to get really good at something...learn the skill first from others and you may find later as you develop that skill you change elements to suit your own personality...simply put dont run before you can walk...or in my case crawl :) and i think we are truly very lucky to be learning from People like Daz, who has had i am sure many pitfalls to get as good as he is, but is still unselfishly helping us avoid taking the same problems he encountered.
The key for me is too push the simple stuff to its limit.. (not sure there is one thou ) and the complicated stuff will come out of it ...or put another way "you only get out what you put in"
your doing great Gerry...you seem to have a very artistic mind... patence, and effort rewards!
Mal
 
#10
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.


Thanks for that and I totally see where you’re coming from that I wrote and I am pleased now I read and joined in on this thread, but I have not got across my meaning
as I should have. When I said I haven’t given much thought to my ideograms i meant that i don’t look for any clue's like wave lines for water or peaks
for mountains to tell me they are present I relied and get more information automatically from a probe of the pen, ( am I wrong in thinking this is part of the process) now on the other hand see that writing the 'B' data sometimes before the 'A' is non-structure but I still follow up and go through and follow the structure method of stage one as you will see on my data sheets, in fact I am probably more through by a double checking process.
So many apologises gentlemen for once again my descriptive word prowess has let me down and taken you on the road of AOLing their meaning.
and state that I believe in the RV creed of 'data be dammed it's structure, structure, structure.'
I welcome points of view and heads up from fellow RVers and don’t take any offence from their helpful comments, as I would hope none in turn would be taken from any of my helpful comments, but as you say Mal we are both at a crawling stage and some crawling better than others and as we live and learn this CRV, lets support each other and be of helpful kindred spirit. and leave aside assumptions of non-appreciative realization of our mentors selfless contribution in our progression.
also it may also be of a surprised to learn that the many skills that I have acquired in life outside of CRV and they are many, took many years of learning, honing and perfecting , so I feel qualified to try to understand this learning process without being a little patronised.
Now this may seem that I have taken offence, I haven’t, this is a discussion forum board, and your comments as well as my comments are sought and welcomed in general, I merely feel as we are newbies we can learn from each other, you can see were I'm going wrong ,I can see were your going wrong and via versa for all other fellow learners.
We can offer help support when we can see who, how, where and when required and perhaps leave objective criticism to one side and let our Mentors and time served knowledgeable RVers do the critique.
Now having finished rambling on, your last session was gr8 to watch how you evolved along the stages and the acorn theory of yours worked well,
 
#11
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

Hi gerry ..i dont look at the ideogram in that way yet i if i see shapes i probe them and if it looks like water but "feels like a structure...i put structure...Daz makes the point that its all very very sublte
It confused me at the very beggining when i would look at Ideograms and thought i had to write the shape down...now i just feel the shape into words.
your session was very good too mate!
Hope this helps
Mal
 
#12
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

Hi Mal and thanks.

I think we just mirrored the same methods and had just described it differently with the eventful recognised structure an applied outcome.
yes it helps and the best thing is that it encourages debate and interchange to enable further self-examination and of comparison to others thought out
and perceived structured data to target match, on through to summary conclusions. all part and parcel to the learning curve.

For me the glass is half full and with 3 steps forward and two steps back is fine as long as the one step forward is gained.

Gerry
 
#13
Hi, i am new in CRV, and i dont know exactly how to follow your excercise, what i understand is that i just have to hear the audio and draw what i hear as fast as i can (correct me if i am wrong). what i want to know is if they are targets or just objects that i have to draw fast.

forgive my ignorance. :-\
 
#14
hi rindelanoche, Welcome to the Dojo forum. you will find people here very helpful and at stages of from beginners up to advanced, Myself being a beginner

here are some info to read up on, which was posted by Daz Smith earlier in this thread, scroll back and have a read.

Background before you start Ideograms:
An early article from me on Ideograms - http://cosmicspoon.blogspot.co.uk/2009_01_01_archive.html

Also please read the two CRV manuals and my Open source CRV documents description and use of ideograms:
1985 - Tom McNear CRV Training notes/manual - http://tinyurl.com/d5ozper
1990's Paul H Smith Military CRV manual (Microsoft Word) - http://tinyurl.com/cyz35nx (Adobe .pdf) - http://tinyurl.com/cxo47sj
Daz Smith - Open source CRV (guide) - http://tinyurl.com/cuq8t5g

http://www.firedocs.com/remoteviewing/answers/crvmanual/index.html

Gerry
 
#15
In addition to the conversation you had, about Gerry point of view, it happens that when I make ideograms i have too much AOLs, but when I just repeat to my innerself the coordinates my mind keep so quiet (its weird because i have an active mind) and i produce B tipe information, and is really accurate (more than making ideograms ) in my case ideograms produce so much AOLs that i have to make a long break, and when i start again, all those AOLs appears.

I am just in stage 1, but this stage is really difficult for that reason.

I was wondering if is normal when you do ideograms to have that amount of AOLs, because i think stage 1 will take longer, and the worst part is that is frustrating that, knowing i can do it better just clossing my eyes and wait to the information to come that making a ideogram and producing more AOLs that B and A tipe information :-\
 
#16
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

MadManMal said:
I draw and name them on notepad, add them to vlc player(u can add them multiple times and mix them up, and then put the speed up when i am comfortable with it...i can tell you when i was in the army as a radio telegraphist many years ago learning morse code it takes a lot of practice to get the speed up to the stage where thought is no longer required and its completly automotive. i am no where near the speed i want to be at yet ...but i will get there with much practice. :)
i am short of idograms thou so if anyone could possibly send me a list of what they have it would be much appriciated...for example i dont yet have one for biological..
Many thanks
Mal
M3, did you build a collection of ideograms, and if so, do you mind sharing them?
 
#17
Re: CRV Stage 1 - IDOEGRAM tools.

PatMcDonald said:
Just to point out before people get TOO energised about ideograms - I know of at least one very capable viewer (Marv) whose ideograms are practically identical regardless of the target.
Also, it is highly likely that the same tag, performed at different times, will produce different ideograms.
Doodling an ideograms is, I think, a GREAT foundation, very useful to the process. "The process" being decoding the doodles to try to glean information about the target (and so produce more informative sketches, models, and other communicable media representations of the target).
That page is no longer working. PJ and I made this ideogram sound file player (with variable delay) using Daz's sound files.

http://www.dojopsi.info/id-drills/
 
#19
Thank you, Daz, for the article.
It woke me up to the fact that my conscious mind has a problem with ideograms.

In Courney's course (and I guess in other courses as well) we need to draw basic ideograms. It was hard because the hand wanted to make a doodle instead of the basic ideograms. (No criticism regarding the course! It is fabulous. It is my distrust and overcontrolling.)
So there is a level of concentration to produce a "standard ideogram."

My ideograms seemed to repeat several times. So there was a tension to make them change.

When decoding, I often denied them (on a subconscious level) and started to roam to find other aspects of the target and started decoding those. Result - confusion.

There is a huge level of confusion and distrust now towards the ideograms, but as I understood their meaning from your article, I will start building up a new relationship with them.

"For those methodologies or practitioners that have bypassed or relegated the Ideogram to a secondary position in your process - you need to re-evaluate this, go back and give it another try, look deep into the action and expression that explodes from both the target and from within in each of these little artworks."

Thank you!
 
#20
Interesting results. After reading Daz's article on ideograms I decided on a different approach. I let my hand move more freely (not sticking necessarily to the established ideograms) and I also drew my ideograms without interrupting the line of my last number. I saw several sessions with Daz where he did that.

I cared less about whether the ideograms looked the same or seemed similar.

The target was the sinking of the Lusitania.

It was amazing. I felt pressure all around. It was like its hard to breathe, no air. Mushy surface and a smooth surface next to each other.
I also felt downward, heavy sucking energy, that pulled very strongly.
Stillness, no emotions. Ears painful. I wrote - pressure.
By the end, I felt as if I was hit in the chest, right above the stomach. I didn't know what that was so I put it to the 'viewer feelings' and put down the pen to interrupt the subjective feeling. I thought that was stupid.

Only at the end did I realize that that was information on how and why the ship sank.
That was no viewer feeling that was the impact that made the ship sink. I wish I had investigated that further instead of interrupting it.

Wow! It's amazing.

Thank you, Daz. Now I'm starting to scratch the surface of the idea of ideograms. I started to respect them and not view them as mere, witless doodles. :D