Growing up with Psi.

morgan

Member
Negrodamus on a different thread criticised the unbalanced logic driven approach to socialisation in our societies and advocated introducing psi early in life in tandem with this education.

Personally I believe that many (if not most) of us actually were introduced to psi early in life. Whether through a parent or family member or an acquaintance of some kind - I suspect that most of us had some contact with unusual knowledge early on. If anyone would like to share anything about their early experiences - I think it could be really interesting

For my part, It was mostly my mother. (she would say she has the gift.. but that phrase always sounds so corny to me). She used to play games with me already when i was a toddler. Zener cards, guess what number i'm thinking of. things of that sort. She was a tarotist and i suppose she still is.. but when i was six or seven my father got very uncomfortable about it and forbade her to talk about any of those things again. He was always afraid of things he didnt understand. So away went the cards and berate her as i might, she would only rarely talk about any of those interesting things that i most wanted to learn about.
Unfortunate..
But two things came out of that..
1) I wanted more than ever to learn about psi and other related areas.
2) I resolved to never myself end up with a partner who was afraid of psi or other related areas.

All the same.. Despite not having as much access to it as i might have liked - i have to say that the concepts and practice of psi were introduced to me at a young age. Because of this I may have benefited from a broader perspective on reality than many of my peers and it is probably a large, if not the main, contributing factor in my having found my way to remote viewing today.

How about you guys? Did you have any early introductions to these ideas?
 

katzenhai2

Ambassador
No, not by any other persons. But at the age of 12 I began to realise (or did I trained it?) that I'm able to perceive the energy field of people - which control or shows the emotion and incentives of a person.
Earlier I mentioned that I had trained it because: I'm a shy guy and that was the reason I hadn't many friends. I began a telepatic conversation with others like in a daydream. But the odd thing was that it seemed people would understand me?! That was a surprise. Later I thought it was their subconscious which I had a conversation with. At the time I got a computer and internet connection I began to search for paranormal forums on the net, found a german 'remote viewing' forum and that was the beginning... ;)

Now I think three things are really worth to study them because they are near the core of psi functioning:
1. Remote Viewing (science shows here clear evidence of psi existence)
2. Hemi Sync at TMI (RVers were trained here in Focus levels)
3. Carlos Castaneda (much to learn about intention which you need for RV)
 

Negrodamus

New Member
Wow morgan, sounds like you had an interesting mom. I wasn't raised in a household where any of my parents had any experience or knowledge that I know of of extra sensory perception or metaphysics. They may have been aware of the phenomena through entertainment like movies or comics, but probably thought it was all hocus pocus. I don't think schools will teach these skills for a long long time. It's probably up to us future parents to train our kids to strengthen their psi muscle and their understanding of metaphysical mechanics.

Wow Katzenhai, it seems like you have a lot of natural psi abilities, bravo. I am no where near as powerful as you, but I too can see the human aura around someone, as long as they are standing in front of a solid colored wall, but I can only perceive the first layer or so.

My interest in paranormal phenomena actually started with eastern meditation and later into western magick, mainly the practice of taroscopic divination, numerology, kabbalah, medieval (predictive) astrology, and now remote viewing. As you can see I have an affinity for the arts of prognostication. I believe to live ones life in harmony with the forces that control this world, it's necessary to understand the mechanics of this force, and learn to work with it to accomplish ones aims in life. In the east this force is known as the Tao, in the west it's called the sephirot, in science the phycisist David Bohm called it the implicate order (the enfolded reality that controls the physical world). This intelligence is the guiding evolving force of harmony and balance in the universe, I like to call it source intelligence.

Most people talk about random or chance, these are concepts that are alien to me, I do not see chance or random. I see unrecognized patterns and causality. I believe we live in the world of effects, causal reality is liminal and impossible to detect with the 5 senses. Things happen here, but most don't have to ability to see the causes of these effects, hence they appear as random or chaotic. But like Lorenz, I believe there is order to chaos, and also did the Magi of old who discovered the sciences of divination and astrology, and in more modern times with the controlled skill of clairvoyance we call remote viewing.

Since I believe in balance and the whole brained approach, I wish to add the intuitive skill of remote viewing to my logical knowledge of predictive astrology to more fully understand the world that I live in, and help make it a better place.
 

katzenhai2

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@Negrodamus:
Wow Katzenhai, it seems like you have a lot of natural psi abilities, bravo.
Well, its all about subtle perceptions, you know. It doesn't feel nowhere 'powerful' as you described it. But it often affects me, so I don't like places full of crowded people with all their different (and mostly uncontrolled) emotions and intentions.

After I made my first RV session it really feeled like how I perceived before, through 'probing': These subtle perceptions of these different kind of energy from places, objects and living things. And the idea of a 'signal line' invented by Ingo Swann, that was how like I experienced my perceptions since my childhood - could be because I'm more a technical and logical thinking guy, although McMoneagle reject this idea of RV functioning and maybe he is correct.

But even with this form of perception I suck in CRV, even after >300 sessions - maybe I make unknowingly mistakes at some point in the process.
So natural abilities alone doesn't makes you a good RVer. What I do now is to try to RV without pen and paper, only in a meditative state called Fokus-15 in Hemi-Sync. My last two experiences looking encouraging.
 

pigeon

New Member
Morgan
I am the eldest of three sisters,we grew up playing 'mind games'....when we were sent to bed there was no tv or dvd,s in the bedroom..so we used to guess what each other was thinking...as we got older the spec got more difficult..eg a place in the world..
My mother was a free thinker and my grandmother obsessed by the tarot....
I have children and raise them to believe in themselves and the power of their mind..both academically and spiritually.
They enjoy an occasional play on gotpsi,one of them is better than the others....she is 6 yrs old.
Psi exists in our home as 'the norm'
 

Negrodamus

New Member
Well kat I noticed that there is a big difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance. Many clairvoyants can perceive very subtle things in their immediate area like hartman lines lines, curry lines, auras, possibly non-corporeal beings like ghosts and all sorts of astral wild life. Remote viewing is about seeing something that is at a distance, a complete different ball game in my opinion.

I noticed that psi skills are like instruments. You may be a genius at the piano, doesn't mean you can play the violin, while they are similar, they are very different.

Maybe you can focus on developing skills you already have, learn to enhance your energy vision. I have a friend of mine that is similar to you, she can see chakras, cords, auras etc..., but can't remote view well, so maybe just try to work with what you got.

My friend is into yoga and meditation, she took a course from the arhatic yoga tradition called higher clairvoyance, found it highly beneficial:

https://virt11a.secure-wi.com/~admin209/courses/course.php?course_id=9

Maybe that's more up your alley, she is much more perceptive and powerful as a clairvoyant after taking that intensive.
 

panamon

*Ninjalicious!*
Uhm... maybe it IS actually a genetic thing. No, Gene, not talkin' about you ;D

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experiences, ladies and gents! They're instructive, interesting and more than enough for a good book!

As for me, I think that most of kids have at least some tendency, some sort of inclination, to consider PSI as natural as breathing. They play with it. Unaware of consequences, they stare at planes and try to make them fall. Fortunately, planes usually don't fall. So why kids do this kind of "silly" (?) things?

My idea is "to test the scope, possibilities and limits of their powers". Then school, society, lawyers, telegraph roads come, and most of kids rationalize and dismiss their "old silly" games.

But some kids just don't put the old-silly-games away: they explore, keep testing possibilities, refine abilities, doubt of other people's doubts... and become great RVers ;)


Panamon Rn+
 

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
I was raised with a healer, claivoyant, medium mother who was the chair of the local spiritualist church. So everything weird was the norm in my house and nothing was the impossible. My first real interest in PSI was when I was 10 we have a few early learning books of subjects like; mysteries, ghosts, ufos, strange creatures. i read these books over and over for the two years before I left to go to secondary school at 12 - this I now know is the point where it all really started for me.

daz
 

blackcat

Member
Morgan said:
"Negrodamus on a different thread criticised the unbalanced logic driven approach to socialisation in our societies and advocated introducing psi early in life in tandem with this education.

Personally I believe that many (if not most) of us actually were introduced to psi early in life..."

Well I do think that since psi is a natural part of existance, we can't help but have had experiences with it. Some lucky ones even may have had relatives who were accepting of it.

That does not change that most of society professes to disbelieve or even laughs. If I were to go and tell everyone at work that I was psychic and remote viewed a plane crash next week, people would not take me seriously. Even those who do believe is psi seem to think it is a freak occurance or useable only be a select few individuals in the world, as if only those like Tiger Woods could ever play golf well enough to be worthwhile. If a child were to tell his/her parents he/she wanted to be a psychic some day, most parents would laugh it off, not be proud and hope it came true. Psychics are not respected and refered by society in general in the US, although some few may develop a cult following (mass murderers also develop a cult following so that doesn't mean much..). If a presidential candidate were to say he/she used psychics to determine foriegn policy, he/she would be excoriated. Psi is not generally accepted by society in the US.

As for logical thought in schools, I woudl argue what passes for logical thought it not logical it all, it is status quo thinking. Such thinking is not well thought out and is instead based on assumptions which are mostly emotional and learned from parents and peers rather than based on the latest scientific research. Much of science is not even all that scientific because it is based on assumptions that will later prove wrong rather than on open minded inquiry and the quest for knowledge. Instead, current science is usually a quest by individuals to prove what they already have decided is correct. The few brilliant ones that come out with a good idea based on true logic, the next leap forward for humanity because their ideas are novel, are usually roasted visciously over the hot open coals and are lucky to reach acceptance of their ideas before they die of old age.

Therefore, I would argue the prob in schools and society is not logic but instead the prob is close minded illogical thought based on fear of change and the unknown. I would argue the problem is at heart a problem of emotions, fear of the strange and unknown and fear of change.
-Eva
 

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
Neg said:
Well kat I noticed that there is a big difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance. Many clairvoyants can perceive very subtle things in their immediate area like hartman lines lines, curry lines, auras, possibly non-corporeal beings like ghosts and all sorts of astral wild life. Remote viewing is about seeing something that is at a distance, a complete different ball game in my opinion.

Nah - remote viewing is exactly the same thing - just within protocols. The rv target could be in the next room to you and can also incorporate all kinds of discarnate entities - i meet and communicate with these in almost every session I do in stage 2 and record their communications (if they are actually there - that is)

Maybe you can focus on developing skills you already have, learn to enhance your energy vision. I have a friend of mine that is similar to you, she can see chakras, cords, auras etc..., but can't remote view well, so maybe just try to work with what you got.

I doubt this is the case - everyone can remote view - period.
Whether they become good at it is a different thing. Clairvoyance, mediumship, tarot, rv its all the same thing - we as humans just use comfort blankets and tools to cushion and make us feel safe when interpreting the data, most of the time the tools are just like a placebo - its all one and the same just interpreted differently.

daz
 

katzenhai2

Ambassador
Well kat I noticed that there is a big difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance. Many clairvoyants can perceive very subtle things in their immediate area like hartman lines lines, curry lines, auras, possibly non-corporeal beings like ghosts and all sorts of astral wild life. Remote viewing is about seeing something that is at a distance, a complete different ball game in my opinion.
Maybe my perceptions are nothing more than a mental disease which makes me insane to believe in such abilities, and RV shows me that there is not much to it, so I'm not special and only the average joe on the street. Maybe its all imagined by my subconscious because I need to believe in such abilities myself. Because in the end I believe daz is correct here.
 

shadowsfire

New Member
I really did not have any training growing up. But could always chat with the animals, I kinda "knew" what they were thinking. Oddly it transfers over to people when they are speaking another lauguage, I know what it is (well most of the time I get the gist) they are talking about without the words.
But a couple of years ago I started practicing on line thru e-mail and wow. it WAS the animals giving me their thoughts and sight and feelings.
I thought I was remote viewing when I could describe in detail the house or something about them from the pictures sent to me from the animals but now I know its not. I have to have something alive, full of energy to follow. Not just a random number. (I never have liked numbers anyhow-too cold)
I guess I inherited parts from Mom and Dad, there was never a dog hat didn't like my Dad, and my Mom could always tell when someone was sick-even if they were hundreds of miles away and not in touch. Like after they were divorced and she got this insistent feeling she HAD to call and see how he was, well he was in the hospital with a bleeding ulcer.
Oh and I can feel the power in a crystal. I was 20 when I walked into a crystal shop (one of the few I had ever been in) and I walked up to this crystal ball and I felt for a full 20 minutes with my hands a forcefield around it. it was VERY cool. Unfortunately they wanted over 200 for the ball or I would have bought it.
But I can't help but think its somehow related...
 
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