Is it Just Imagination? What Accurate Perceptions "Feel Like" - Exercise

BigRed333

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Hi Everybody: A lot of people wonder how to tell an accurate perception from “just imagination”. Something that you may find helpful in developing your accuracy is to go as far out as possible with your imagination, just like you did when you were a child. If you work with children, a great exercise is to pretend you are a wizard with a magic wand who can turn them IMMEDIATELY into whatever you and your wand say – and quickly. So now tell them, “Now you are a frog. Now you are a dog. Now you are a washing machine. Now you are a book.” You can imagine that you’ll get some amazing responses, and you will see that children get a good sense of things in a very holistic…I don’t know if that’s a good word…whole..kind of way, and so should you. You guys know what I mean. So now do this yourself. You can start with rugs and walls. Imagine you are in a plush rug. Imagine you are inside cotton sheets. Imagine you are in a brick wall. Imagine you are in a computer. Make a list of things to go into, and go in – rapidly (rapidly is very important as you will see). First you may feel self conscious and it will feel like you are “making things up”, but then that will start letting up, and it will definitely help your remote viewing as you start to see that when you need to focus on an article of clothing for instance, you suddenly sense yourself in an ocean of dark blue stripes and maroonish red, then ask youself to pull out ten feet and perceive that the blue and red are in square patterns (plaid shirt). It will still feel like you are “making it up” during session, but then you will see that your perceptions were accurate! Sensory practice in the “real world” really translates to accurate perceptions during viewing, in my opinion. I hope it helps your viewing also, have fun :) -Mary
 

Loraine

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... maybe one can consciously come full (mobius) circle via imagination to discover intuition, I don't know, but why not cut to the chase? Rather read a good dictionary (or whatever) to extend vocabulary without the risks of bigging up your imaginative faculties and start RV as you need to go on with RV by disabling your imagination to allow intuition more scope.

Seems to me that doing as you suggest doesn't correspond to the mind set required for RV. I don't get how practising thinking about series of knowns prepares for remote viewing unknowns. How can practising 'making up stuff' about knowns possibly assist with avoiding 'making up stuff' about unknowns in RV? How could 'making stuff up' ever enhance not making stuff up?

Intuition always seemed diametrically opposite to imagination as I perceived our ability options, so It was no surprise to me to hear analysis of the Japanese word 'SoZo' describing the subtle difference between imagination and intuition on the first day of my RV training. Imagination is consciously describing a new idea/unknown rationally from what you already know and remember, a faculty which negates remote viewing. Intuition is to spontaneously realise an accurate description of a new idea/unknown 'from' non-local abstracts.
 

BigRed333

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Hi Loraine: My exercises are based on ones I and some friends use and they are working well. Admitteldy, this is only so far in my viewing career....maybe as you suggest I am going in a wrong direction and fooling myself, lol, I guess we'll see :) I feel this work is ultimately trial and error if one is honest. But I don't believe that I am fooling myself, from what I am seeing so far...displacement and other rv inaccuracy mysteries remain unsolved as of this writing...and I thought the forum was for the purpose of sharing ideas and suggestions. I thought it was a given that folks can take or leave my exercises, for sure :) :) ...but I am sharing real experiences...I would never waste people's time suggesting exercises that I have not done myself and seen others do with succcess. Not sure what else to say...I don't know why these exercises work, but they do seem to so far - I am doing research on why I believe it works...I guess we will see, and time will tell :) -Alll the best, Mary
 

daz

Remote viewer, author, artist and photographer.
Staff member
I feel we must try all things especially those that seem to 'pull us'. And then decide what does and doesn't work for us - we are all unique, all different and different things work for us all.

On another note im not convinced intuition is removed form imagination. intuition and creativity, I believe all bubble up form the same place - inspiration in one can be the same for both. Its also why Ingo used ART as the core of CRV, because he also realized that imagination/inspiration/creativity - was connected to intuition.

thank you both for sharing.

Daz
 

katzenhai2

Ambassador
I've done that a lot of time in the past with sometimes surprising "perceptions" in the world around me. But it never helped me to get more accurate results. Instead I suspect it hindered my learning process and draw me into many AI reactions and AOL-Drives in CRV sessions.
 

PatMcDonald

New Member
katzenhai2 said:
I've done that a lot of time in the past with sometimes surprising "perceptions" in the world around me. But it never helped me to get more accurate results. Instead I suspect it hindered my learning process and draw me into many AI reactions and AOL-Drives in CRV sessions.
Well, the times we get things wrong are the most useful for training - we can start to learn about the things we can't detect or see, or have problems getting accurate information from. Stage 2 is often the "like" stage - "it's like, a swimming pool, but it's not a swimming pool". Getting similar sensations, and relaxing and just feeling what the edges and dimensions are (in terms of description, emotion, non physical as well as physical side).

To be quite frank about this... generally a young male viewer will produce quite a bit more output than female.

The females TEND to be better at producing consistent information. But the differences are minimal - typically less than 5%.

That's horribly stereotyping and very sexist. But if you think of gender as being so basic it makes certain subject more "attractive" or "repulsive" to an individual, then you can see why it might make a fundamental difference between male and female viewers.

And with a name like "Mary" I'm pretty confident that what you are looking for is re-assurance - which is another feminine trait. But my no means EXCLUSIVELY feminine.

The vast majority of humans show a mixture of masculine and feminine traits. Learning not to be self conscious, to just be yourself, is a fundamental part of adulthood and maturity.

And yes I've had issues with it too. If you don't, you must be in some way either unusually enlightened or for some reason self deluding on logic (which can be a defence mechanism related to past harm).

People start at different levels of familiriaty, with any skill. Well, it's not where you start - it's where you FINISH. If you want skills and experience, then viewing is good.

BUT, letting other people look at your session data is helpful. Sometimes people can be very cruel, like a parent who taunts their child over home work.

Sometimes people can really step in and notice patterns that don't help the viewer. This is where analysts earn their keep - having an authenticated record, by an independent, of 100s of sessions can show the viewer that they are much better than they think they might be. Or not as good as they think they might be for those who think they are somehow "superior" veiwers. It's a superhuman skill anyway, so how could their be an elite?

TIP: If you want to "zero" back on the target, get a new impression, have another taste... take a few deep breaths to relax. Then, repeat the co-ordinates, written or not. Then record what you "feel" as part of I-A-B.

That's the most fundamental difference on getting more accurate information. Some people don't learn to do that and can only produce so much session data because they cannot clear their mind any more and get a fresh contact.

In my opinion. :)
 

BigRed333

New Member
Hi Katz, I agree with Pat that it would be great to see the sessions you referred to with the multiple AIs and AOL drive, and how you saw the exercises as having caused contributed to same.

I won’t be replying to any emails for awhile, fyi, very busy, but I hope you are all having fun with the exercises and with your viewing :) -All the best, Mary
 

penny

New Member
Mary,

Interesting, your idea of entering (expanding?) into physical objects. In my own RI experimentations I switched from expanding mind to expanding body - the goal being tangible experience of oneness or wholeness. The results of this switch were extreme and enlightening giving me the distinct impression that all consciousness is one unified body (physical) entified with (the) one body mind. ie- expanding body created an automatic expansion of mind, and an incredible rapport for RI
 

penny

New Member
Older students in my ashram are learning the very powerfull "As If" technique. In time this 'imagining' becomes the real, the reality. ie: immersion with the soul, fusion of higher and lower light bodies and so on. I think also that RV uses intuition in a practical way yet not an ultimate way because in its truest sense intuition is conscious creation. Intuition is not just a faculty, eventually it can supercede mind. Ingo Swann says alot about it,
 

katzenhai2

Ambassador
It was long before my remote viewing time. Now after seven years and >900+ Sessions I can't show you exact examples. It is more a subjective experience after having a hard time to learn RV and I'm sure it had to do with my (wrong) exercises as BigRed333 decribed.

But what didn't worked for me can work for you.
 

BigRed333

New Member
Hi Katz, yes there is no wrong or right with the exercises...I think what I was trying to see is if your sessions were workng the way I have seen mine and others work with these exercises...ie exactly as you indicated! More AIs and AOLs, but this is similar to meditation where first attempts to quiet mind result in more noise than ever. Which of course their are so many theories as to why this happens, none realy proveable, it appears at this point in time. But the way I interpreted it when it first happened to me was that as I was now listening to my mind after not having given it so much attention, it was now over-excited and "flooding" me. And I figured it would let up, and it has. Now did every step above I just mentioned happen because that was how I figured it was happening, how I interpreted it to be happening, and did the slowdown of this flooding happen because I expected it to slow, or was it the nature of the experience, which would be the same for me and for others. That's why I am such an advocate of journaling and writing everythng down, not just sessions, but before and after sessions and post-analysis is hugely important as a time to spend time communicating with mind what you wanted and want in the future. So then our sessions become experiences that we can really look at and share and see if others are having similar ones. That's why I would like to have seen yours, as a point of collectin of research on the matter.

Alot of what I have been doing comes from having spoken to an excellent CRVer months ago when by coincidence he told me he was throwing away some of his old sessions and I almost fell out of my chair in shock and horror. Where are the leaders in the community telling us to value every drop of our dang work? To keep them neatly, orderly, dated and scanned... To treat every dang perception as important and part of the growth process you can then share with others. And then of course, Katz, as you indcated, it may or may not work for others.

Penny, thanks for your observations, yes this is along the lines of where I was going with these exercises. Although I don't have time to post now or much more for awhile and say much more, that is some of the reasoing and ways others have been using it from what I have seen and heard, yes. -All the best, Mary
 

Red_Star

New Member
Well each viewer has their own way of dealing with their previous sessions. I am not exactly an good example, considering that I ended up literally burning my first few sessions a longg time ago in my teens. Mind you this was before I knew what remote viewing was, this was my way of coping in a sense...sure I could've just shredded it but it would still remain, for some reason just watching it go up in flames reduced to ashes gave me comfort.

I agree with Pat on this one, simply take a taste impression of it, though somethings taste not so savory but it works for me...of course I never get sound, but I work around it.
For me personally I feel the target, taste and sometimes because of previous practice sessions you learn what works what doesn't. You begin to come to know yourself more, for example if I see an outline similar to the "i-pad" commercials, then I know i am on the right track as the "outline" is something relating to the subject in one way or another. Unfortunately this is not an blanket explanation because everyone is different and in your own minds you have your own set of mental cues that only you know. So the better you understand yourself the better you can interpret your own cues.
I will have to disagree with Pat a bit here on the part about "having an authenticated record, by an independent, of 100s of sessions can show the viewer that they are much better than they think they might be. Or not as good as they think they might be for those who think they are somehow "superior" veiwers. It's a superhuman skill anyway, so how could their be an elite?"
How do you know that what you saw is the target, the tasker can put something similar but not the actual target and deceive you at which point, it is whatever they say it is. This is the reason that I've begun self tasking in the first place. Many things are negotiable but NOT THE TRUTH.
Let's not talk about "superhuman skills" or "elite", we have enough dangerous paranoid people out there already. I don't want to see remote viewers being singled out, due to their abilities nor wear some kind of "special star" to identify them in public, we all know what happened last time that happened.

I want to know how old and how smart my "psyche" is, so in order for me to do so I will self task myself but with a twist, the questions will be written in different languages. I already know that my psyche can read hanzi/kanji already so that's established, I wonder if it can read tasks written in hindi, latin, french, spanish, arabic..etc. Is it possible that my psyche knows more languages than I do? :eek:

One way that I find works as an confirmation if you will, is that you feel the tingling sensation around the crown of your head, like a billion tiny little sparks. However there's an catch, the moment that you begin to resist or control, it vanishes so my advice is just simply let go and allow your psyche to show you what you need to see and know.

BTW if you stuff an bunch of photos in one practice session you DO see them all at break neck speed, but you're able to know that there are multiples bundled in one because of so many cut scenes in such a short time just in case any of you guys are curious. In this day and age where you can hardly trust anyone, you will get plenty of practices to see who is telling the truth and who's lying to you.
 

PatMcDonald

New Member
Red_Star said:
I will have to disagree with Pat a bit here on the part about "having an authenticated record, by an independent, of 100s of sessions can show the viewer that they are much better than they think they might be. Or not as good as they think they might be for those who think they are somehow "superior" veiwers. It's a superhuman skill anyway, so how could their be an elite?"
How do you know that what you saw is the target, the tasker can put something similar but not the actual target and deceive you at which point, it is whatever they say it is. This is the reason that I've begun self tasking in the first place. Many things are negotiable but NOT THE TRUTH.
Let's not talk about "superhuman skills" or "elite", we have enough dangerous paranoid people out there already. I don't want to see remote viewers being singled out, due to their abilities nor wear some kind of "special star" to identify them in public, we all know what happened last time that happened.
Ah! This is where many viewers having the SAME target tag is an advantage. Because the viewers can trade sessions and see where the common ground is - as well as sharing the tasker/analyst information. Taskers who cheat on setting feedback always get discovered, sooner or later - it's the nature of the game.

True, you can fool some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time. BUT you CAN'T FOOL ALL the people ALL the time. :)

It is a paradox, being a viewer, human... and somehow doing something extraordinary. Or at the least, unusual.

How the paradox is resolved varies from human to human. You have to remember, I came into this as a complete debunker. I wasn't expecting the truth so I'm not entirely sure I'll ever got over the self discovery totally. I'm not everybody. I have some advantages and disadvantages from former experience.

I hope I don't entirely think of RV as "normal". It's nice to think there really are new avenues to explore, new vistas to know.

Red_Star said:
I wonder if it can read tasks written in hindi, latin, french, spanish, arabic..etc. Is it possible that my psyche knows more languages than I do?
It has been reported to me by a German RV group that the language the task is set in and the symbols a task is written in do not matter. The viewer still gets data from the target, which they can report in their own language. As I have viewed at least one German target (no feedback confirmation but likely I was on target) I'm pretty sure it does not matter. Oh, I copied a Japanese katana signature as a target and that also produced good session data from other viewers. So that's why I'm pretty sure that RV data isn't coded in language as we know it.

Let me know if you want to see the sessions. They're not here.
 

Red_Star

New Member
Well it's good to know that language isn't a barrier to the psyche, though I am intrigued as to how the viewer is able to know an language that the conscious mind hasn't learned, that's interesting.

Yep, can't fool all the people all the time :), hence you don't put all of your eggs in one basket so the saying goes. Which is why I am doing my own tasks for other people, complete strangers that I've never met before in my life, to give them a sense of gratification that when they're talking to the departed, they are not entirely crazy and that though they're not physically there doesn't mean that they aren't there in spirit. So by the end of it all I will have at least 100 people as oppose to just one person, then that 100 people will tell some of their friends and it will spread, generating demand. Then simply start from zero at a different continent and build up that world wide reputation, of course few can match the great Carnac the magnificent!! 99% of the so called psychics our there need to be told, so they can give you that nice "psychic blow-job", should I fear that type of weak competition?! ;D :D ;D

"I hold in my hand the envelopes. As a child of four can plainly see, these envelopes have been hermetically sealed. They've been kept in a #2 mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch since noon today. No one knows the contents of these envelopes, but you, in your borderline divine and mystical way, will ascertain the answers having never before seen the questions."

Of course there's always new vistas to know, how can you be bored when you have the the mystery of the universe to discover?!

It becomes "normal" to you when you get into it. In this day and age people want a quick & easy fix, instant gratification without any hard work or effort. Paradox how so?? Why would you want to be just like "everybody"?? To be extraordinary is better than just ordinary! I can't complain about RV, for me it's given me the insight to live and plan for future events, rather than be like everyone else and live one day at a time...never knowing what the future holds for them, to have no insight over the future until it becomes the present.

Ever considering writing a book, even an memoir would be a good read? I am sure it'll net in a lot of $$$$. Just simply ask Deepak Chopra, Ed Dames, Dali Lama, some of them don't even have to prove that they can remote view and they've already sold millions of copies of their book. Unless you've already given out all of your lessons and tips in which case you have nothing to write about that can't already be seen for FREE, effectively shafting yourself. I still hold a lot of important things back for my book, I plan to write in the future after I've established an reputation globally.
 
Red_Star said:
I wonder if it can read tasks written in hindi, latin, french, spanish, arabic..etc. Is it possible that my psyche knows more languages than I do?
Pat wrote:
It has been reported to me by a German RV group that the language the task is set in and the symbols a task is written in do not matter. The viewer still gets data from the target, which they can report in their own language. As I have viewed at least one German target (no feedback confirmation but likely I was on target) I'm pretty sure it does not matter. Oh, I copied a Japanese katana signature as a target and that also produced good session data from other viewers. So that's why I'm pretty sure that RV data isn't coded in language as we know it.
That farsighted expert with language, Mark Twain, had a similar belief:

"I imagine that we get most of our thoughts out of somebody else's head, by mental telegraphy - and not always out of heads of acquaintances but, in the majority of cases, out of the heads of strangers; strangers far removed...all manner of remote foreigners whose language we should not be able to understand, but whose thoughts we can read without difficulty."
-Autobiography of Mark Twain, Vol 1, p 429)

(I also posted this on the Unitary ARV Facebook page).

Jon
 

Loraine

New Member
"I imagine that we get most of our thoughts out of somebody else's head, by mental telegraphy - and not always out of heads of acquaintances but, in the majority of cases, out of the heads of strangers; strangers far removed...all manner of remote foreigners whose language we should not be able to understand, but whose thoughts we can read without difficulty."
-Autobiography of Mark Twain, Vol 1, p 429)

(I also posted this on the Unitary ARV Facebook page).

Jon
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Hi Jon ... thanks for reposting that quote. I saw it the first time you posted it - was one of many interesting posts I've had no time to respond to. I've thought of it often since, but each time didn't recall where I'd seen it. reminded me how 'invisible' adult to adult 'conversation' appeared to me as a child (pre lingual) and formed the basis of my beliefs about communication.
 

tbone

Member
I was just re-reading "The Silva Mind Control Method" and his teaching to learn ESP was almost identical to yours, BigRed333.
 

BigRed333

New Member
Hi Tbone, yes I don't feel there is very many new things under the sun, that's why charging such high rv training tuition is so bogus to me. Everything we learn is just another technique, if we don't use them they will never mean anything. So many folks like to think there is just one other secret around the corner, and sales people prey on folks' insecurity there and charge them to learn "the secrets". I'm sure Silva got it from somewhere too, right? :) I hope you're well, thanks for the post. -Mary
 

Loraine

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I so agree, charging high for RV training is bogus, and it's effect on the field amounts to more than just the nasty business of ripping off individuals, because, incrementally over time, it means we end up with a disproportionate numbers of viewers with more money than sense joining the field, singing the praises of the bogey men's gospels.
 

PatMcDonald

New Member
Loraine said:
I so agree, charging high for RV training is bogus,..
I'm pretty non-judgemental with what other people do for money.

I can think of PLENTY nastier things than charging high for RV training.

OK, I admit, it does not help if the ONLY people who get training are just dillatentes who have no intention of using RV for anything constructive, creative, or informative.

But, to my thinking, disliking someone just because they charge high is... well... at least at BIT of jealous?

That's very un-British of me. We do have a tendency to despise the successful and envy the outrageously wealthy... which to my mind, doesn't help anybody make any kind of progress.
 
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