Keeping Hold of The Visual Imagery?

[Voivi]

Hi everyone, good to be among friends.

I'm new to this community and arrived here in the hope of extending some of the gifts that appear to have been bestowed upon me following a visitation that I experienced as a young child. (I look forward to expanding upon this later).
As a result of this 'visit', I soon became aware of the ability to read peoples past, simply by being near to or connected to them. I started seeing events in my mind before they occurred which progressed into premonitions of an individuals future/ forthcoming events and choices.
I was asked to join a circle in my local spiritualist church but as soon as I displayed my attributes to other church members , I was asked to take to the podium to carry out readings for the congregation and to undertake private readings for a fee, which was against my own belief, that I should not obtain personal gain from whatever it is that I have. Hence, I parted ways with my church to undertake my own personal journey of development, before discovering remote viewing around 10 years ago.

Which is partly why I am here as I truly hope that RV or CRV might enable me to hone and develop my skills further for the right reasons and nothing more.

Anyhooo, after my short introduction, may I jump straight in and ask my question?

I receive much of my information via words and thoughts that stream into my mind at varying speed but I also receive vivid imagery in my mind.
It is some of these images that I that I often struggle to retain or keep hold of, in order to investigate them further.

An example; My eyes are closed, I am deeply relaxed, I start to see various random shapes and colors before my mental vision turns almost mist like, before a clear almost physical image suddenly comes into focus. The images can literally be of anything, such as another room, or a vista, or a location, etc etc.

The problem arises when I start to explore the image, by moving my closed eyes toward the area that I want to view closer. As soon as I do this, the image fades rapidly before coming back sharply into focus again. But each and every time that I try to focus closely on any small aspect of the vision, it fades again or disappears completely.

Is there any way or method that I can employ to hold the visual image for longer?

I would love to hear your thoughts and experiences on this. V

 

[Voivi]

Perhaps I should also add, that when I view buildings, I often see a clear blueprint type of image in my closed eye visual field but the background is always pale grey and building lines are red. I have no problem at all exploring and looking around this type of image. Yet the 4k like vivid images I see are like looking through a window frame into another place or location. It's as if I'm there in that world or situation and I sometimes see movement within that visual experience, but frustratingly, once I try to look deeper into, or at one particular area, the image always fades out, which is sooooo frustrating.

 

[jrb]

Much of the literature for remote viewing states that really vivid imagery tends to be incorrect.

It sounds as though you are relaxing into your remote viewing.

As we enter deeper states of mind, hypnagogic imagery naturally is produced. These can be flashes or persistent scenes, and quite detailed and lifelike. In most cases they are spontaneous arisings and non-volitional. I can't tell whether you are encountering them with a target in mind, but I wouldn't trust that they are actually a response to a target unless there's something that can be verified.

I've attempted Dave Morehouse's Extended RV protocol many times and have sometimes had images, like a clear view over treetops, or people gathering at a picnic. These had nothing to do with my intended target, and are most likely a kind of dream.

I recommend listening to interviews with Jennifer Dumpert, who speaks a lot about "Liminal Dreaming," in the space of hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucination.

We must distinguish these from "real" RV images, which like non-visual RB impressions are often fleeting and subtle.

 

[RVTrainee001]

What if you try to grab something in those images, feel the surfaces, smell the locations, taste etc? Sort of grounding yourself in that remote location

 

[RedCairo]

Yes, it's true that imagery is often incorrect. But that is in part because we are a visual culture and we tend to identify it and label it rather than describe it. We are so used to the labels that when you do exercises such as to describe every object around you in a room, I at least found I wasn't nearly as good at it as I should have been. I tended to say round instead of spherical, tubular instead of cylindrical, and I was stumped to come with a proper color for a kraft mailing envelope that was not 'craft' or 'a sort of beige cream brown buff kraft envelope color' haha. We tend to say 'a door' rather than 'a flat wide rectangle placed vertically colored brown' or whatever.

There's a few reasons they may be inaccurate (ok, probably more reasons than we know). Sometimes for me this depends on the kind of visual as well. Sudden startling vivid but superbrief: tend to be accurate for me, usually get those with small object targets. Flying-over sense, with fuzzy visual but some gut-concept: tend to be accurate for me, usually get those with mass-death/event targets. Close-up motion-visuals, if like an onlooker: usually the 'dynamic' of the motion is the information there, not the whole visual. Static-visuals: nearly always inaccurate in terms of, it's not 'the' target, but usually something within that visual is accurately 'like' something 'in' the target (figuring out what is the fun part). Full movie-like visuals: always accurate but unfortunately often about something seen 'from' the target as opposed to seeing 'the' target, so is not actually the data you want (unless what's next to your target, as concept/context, has use). Those are often on the spectrum of bilo though, so fun.

Statics in series (record it, then another, record that, then another) tend to be ongoing 'corrections' like descriptive-algebra. Like I might write down: stacked flat rectangles, then I see something like circular fan blades. The data is not the second thing, the data is the first description I wrote down 'as adjusted by' the change between that and the second thing, so in that case it's either 'arranged in circle' or 'multiple same shape/size flat wooden pieces NOT stacked vertically" and then usually another thing will further modify it (it's a conversation between what you perceive, and the corrections). People who take all of them as direct data rather than this as a series tend to end up with a session filled with a whole variety of different things none of which are the target as a result.

So paying attention to the 'kind' of visual will help as I suspect that some are more accurate than others though which may vary by person. And if you're viewing, pay attention to 'describe, don't identify' which is easier to forget on visual impressions.

Best,
PJ

 

[jrb]

Like I might write down: stacked flat rectangles, then I see something like circular fan blades. The data is not the second thing, the data is the first description I wrote down 'as adjusted by' the change between that and the second thing, so in that case it's either 'arranged in circle' or 'multiple same shape/size flat wooden pieces NOT stacked vertically" and then usually another thing will further modify it (it's a conversation between what you perceive, and the corrections). People who take all of them as direct data rather than this as a series tend to end up with a session filled with a whole variety of different things none of which are the target as a result.

In a post full of insights, this is my favorite. It makes me want to go back and look at old pages. Will be bookmarking!

 

[jrb]

In a post full of insights, this is my favorite. It makes me want to go back and look at old pages. Will be bookmarking!

Glad I did bookmark. This thread came in handy lately when I was interpreting a brief ERV-lite experience.

Here's an article I wrote about it on Medium.

“Secrets of the Spider-Train: Analyzing a Sequence of Symbolic Remote Viewing Images” by Grin Spickett https://link.medium.com/NgLBd2gJe7

Thanks!