LIVE CHAT: GARY LANGFORD JULY 2, 10:00PM EASTERN

Gene_Smith

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Yeppers you heard that right. Tonight at 7pm Pacific time Gary Langford will be in the chat room!!!
 
Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

It might save time during the chat - and avoid duplication of what Gary Langford has already spoken to - if what he said here in TKR in 2005 is reposted ahead of the chat time. To that end, I'll post it below. (If not appropriate, then please delete it.) This is verbatim from those threads and I think contains basically everything he said. If I've missed any significant post, perhaps add it here.

Jon

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http://www.dojopsi.com/remote-viewing-forum/rvarchive_tkrbbs_6/tkrbbs_topic936_remote_viewing_archives.cfm

On behalf of Gary Langford

I have entrusted Palyne Gaenir to post my responses to your questions. I am pleased to read your questions and hope you find my responses useful. I will take advantage of your questions to provide additional comments about the process, the field, and my current work. Gary Langford



Responding to: Greywolf

RV is talent limited. Pick up a basketball and practice everyday at shooting baskets. Try out for the NBA. You might get the nod. You might get the sod. You must have some degree of talent.

RV is practice-limited. Don’t pick up a basketball and never practice at shooting baskets. Try out to join a professional basketball team. See above for results with beginner’s luck. You must practice.

RV is situational-limited. It is difficult to practice playing basketball on a football field. You must work in an environment that is conducive to the task.

RV is goal-limited. If you don’t believe you can make a basket, then you probably won’t. You have to set your goal high enough to succeed and you have to believe in yourself.

RV is emotionally-limited. If you can’t leave your personal life behind you on the basketball court, then you will be thinking about your personal life and not about making baskets. You should be reasonably comfortable with your life and not fret about the big and little things that irritate.

Can you RV when you are stressed? Yes, if you can relax and not think about your stresses.

Can you RV when you are driving? Yes, if you RV in short bursts. (not recommended, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do)

Can you RV when you are playing basketball? Did not work for me. I tried it and neither worked well. Perhaps someone can figure out how to do this.

Can you learn to RV? Yes. If I told you to write the letter paratofgoish, you would not have a clue what to do. If I showed you what I meant, helped you through some examples, gave you instructions on the theory, and worked with you as you practiced, then we would both hope that one day you would do it better than I.

There are many courses one can take to learn something. They are taught by many teachers. Some teachers are better than others. Some courses use better instruction materials that help you to learn faster and more comprehensively. Some courses are more fun (field trips, great food, and talented and nice people). Overall some courses are better than others. Better in the sense that you learn something faster or perhaps you learn something that another teacher didn’t teach. Some courses require you start at the beginning and to learn everything. Some courses are “finishing courses” that tailor the instruction to your specific needs. You can learn from both. However, the final result of the course is an examination of what you have learned. At that point the results of the various courses can be objectively measured. Depending on what the courses have emphasized and what tests are given, some courses will result in better accuracy than others. But as a general rule, Ed (May) is correct. No course has yet been shown to offer the best results for all tasks. All of the techniques have shown that the best RVer is the talented person who practices judiciously; takes care to work in a supportive environment without outside influences or stresses; and works towards an achievable goal. Here are a few examples of the sorts of tasks that could be tested:

1. Single target with one monitor (double blind with feedback provided) – independent judge tests for accuracy and precision

2. Multiple targets with no monitor (no feedback provided) – independent judge tests for accuracy and precision

3. Multiple targets with no monitor (feedback provided at end) – independent judge tests for accuracy and precision

So, what does one practice? You don’t practice what doesn’t work. If you know that chewing gum during your session distracts you from doing well, then don’t chew gum. If you can’t convert a glimmer of a thought into something real that can be described and discussed, then practice isn’t going to help. You should not try to get “lucky” and find the right answer. First you will need to learn how to convert that glimmer into something that you can work with. If there is a part of the process that hangs you up, then that is the part that you first need to get help in understanding. Then you practice. The talent part of the equation comes in when you figure out what makes the process work for you every time you do it. That is the talent – doing the same work each time to achieve the acceptable level of quality. Setting your goal is equally important. If you want to devise a means to find buried treasure, then you will set objectives such that when you achieve each of those objectives you will have achieved your goal. For instance, goal setting for finding buried treasure might go something like this:

1. Learn the issues of targeting objects.

. . . 1. based on anecdotal and associated references made by people who had contact with the objects
. . . 2. based on anecdotal references made by people who wanted to have contact with the objects
. . . 3.

2. Learn the issues of targeting objects with geographical references, with feedback
. . . 1. based on the biggest and most prominent geographical feature that you can’t miss
. . . 2.
. . . 3. Learn the issues of targeting objects with geographical references, without feedback
. . . . . 1. based on describing one object, with feedback
. . . . . 2. based on describing one object, without feedback
. . . . . 3. based on describing multiple objects, with feedback
. . . . . 4.

4. Learn the issues of targeting objects without geographical references, with feedback
. . . 1. based on one object at a time (assumption is that all target objects are related by an “event” and that the juxtaposition of the target objects is confined to a limited geographic area)

5. Test what you know on an object that someone else buried
. . . 1. again and again
. . . 2. fix what did not work previously
. . . 3. start over again
. . . 4.

6. Find Buried Treasure

The skills you learn increase your talent such that you will be able to accept a task (however difficult or easy) and piece together a process that will work. Some of the tricks you will learn will involve setting up “filters” that will help you block information that is unrelated to your task. Those “filters” can be used for other RV tasks and after several hundred or thousand tasks, doing an RV becomes infinitely easier. You should always require 100% accuracy in your work and accept nothing less. Of course life is unkind. You will improve and you will get better if you pay attention to the processes and the details.

Every RV task has a list of objectives that will build to a final goal. Sometimes the work is tedious and time consuming. Question is, do you want to keep trying to find buried treasure and never find it?

With Kindest Regards,

Gary Langford

Palyne, Here are comments for Morgan (and all others):



Morgan

The social support structure that is needed depends in large part on your confidence in doing RV and in your willingness to discuss what you do. For the longest time (8 years) I did not discuss my RV, remaining very private about my work. I kept to myself and did not talk with anyone other than other people doing RV. Then I spoke to a few people and discovered that I could determine who would be interested and who would shun me BEFORE I spoke to them. That “game” spanned about 5 years. Then I published a book that predicted events. No one seemed to notice. I went on the radio to talk about RV. Again no one seemed to notice (or care). I decided at that point there was no need to keep my work private and began to speak to anyone who I thought might be interested and a few that I knew would not appreciate the discussion. Unlike other people doing RV, I kept very private about my work. Still do, except for a few very public discussions.

The support structure is absolutely unnecessary if you are strong-willed and want to share what you do. However, if you are intimidated by ridicule or concerned at all about what other people think of you, then it is best to keep closed about it. Viewing performance (I did read your question) and social structure is important IF you cannot eliminate the outside influence WHEN you do the RV. Throughout my phases (private, experimental, and very open) my performance was about the same, with the caveat that overall my work continued and continues to improve. I have been supported by many people WHEN I did the RV work. Some of these people were NOT initially supportive of my work, my interest, or my discussions afterwards. But even the most skeptical turned around after one session.

If you include your work environment in your social support structure, then there is an extra caution. Supervisors, board members, and subordinates DO NOT appreciate one of their own doing RV, (let alone publishing a book). And now you will begin to understand the reason for my privacy. When you decide that you do not care about keeping your job, feel free to go public with your interests. I have generally found that my supervisors would have no difficulty in firing me, even if they believed in RV.

Best way around the supervisor issue is to start your own company, fund it yourself, and never have public stock. Then you can hire your own support group.

The optimal situation is to be able to ignore the nay-sayers and do your work to the best of your ability.

Practice is extremely important to improvement. Practice keeps you honed on the skills necessary to work the RV process to its fullest extent. There is no hit or miss here. It is the process that helps to keep accuracy and precision in your work. If you miss a step, skip a thought, are lazy about protocol, or are just plain non responsive to those fleeting moments, you will not do well. By well I mean a level of accuracy and precision that is outstanding by any measure. There was a time when the statement seemed to be true, that is practice did not improve overall skill. That was because the overall skill was a smashing hit every 10 times; six descriptions that were reasonably well done; and three that you did not want to talk about (poor to absolutely no correspondence). That is to say, if your goal was to have one great RV in every 10 times at bat, you met your expectations. But if your goal was 10 out of 10, with an occasional 9 out of 10 great RVs, then practice makes all the difference in the world.

Without delving into what the RV process is (I’m writing on Tuesday night and still thinking about how to respond to your questions), the notion of learning a new language is only part of the RV process. Yes, there are fundamental things you must know to interpret and classify and categorize correctly. But RV is much more than just a new language. It is an amalgamation of processes, techniques, sequences, overlaid on a new language. It is a totally new experience that transform your interpretation into a viewing machine. Reliable, repeatable, and highly respectable with regards to accuracy and precision. When I worked on my first RV technique handbook and later the revised edition, the work was an idea with only a few years of maturity. That was 20 some years ago. Nothing from the original handbook remains in my work. But the antecedents of today’s work can be found there. Practice is not for the weary. Practice is for those who truly want to do better, who will change their goal to improve, and who will stick to what works only so long as the accuracy and precision satisfies their quest for target truths.

Ideograms and sketching are actually unnecessary, but useful for early stage RV work. The RV world seems to fixate on them because a few of us thought they worked. They do if your goal is 2 or 3 smashing hits out 10. By a smashing hit, I mean the target has given up all its truths and those truths are known to you in such a fashion that you can communicate them explicitly (i.e., no ambiguities). ANY person looking at a smashing hit would be “exceptionally impressed” and find your response to indistinguishable from the target at all levels of truths.

Yes, I continue my research and application of new theory. Finding the time to post the basis for my work will be difficult at this time. But here are a few highlights to serve as guideposts.

1. RV is the sum of many processes that stimulate the brain to provide information about a target. The first notion is to determine what is a target. Are the features of the target really the target, or is the relationship between an object and its surroundings the target. And therein lays the basis for my recent work. The essential feature of a target is its interface with other things. “Things” is used in the most general sense of the word.

2. The second notion is that processes do not have to be serially enacted. The brain is not a serial organ, thereby processing many things in parallel. However some of our functions are serial, such as some motor skills (e.g., writing). The “new” RV relies heavily on non-serial processes. A process may be sequential or may have discrete steps that, when looked at from outside the process, may appear to be independent. A process may be dependent or independent. An example of a process: envisioning a “trap” to snare data of a certain type or with a certain characteristic. I tune my senses to perceive (build a filter to detect: a spider if it strides onto a yellow piece of paper and then go to sleep. I set up a camera with a motion sensitive detector that will capture anything that moves onto the yellow piece of paper. Other color papers are distributed nearby the yellow paper and in the same plane as the yellow paper. I envision another mechanism (a switch) that will wake me up when the spider is on the yellow paper. RESULT: the camera records anything that moves onto the yellow paper. (Confirmed by a major research laboratory with 25 tests of various insects, and with 11 control conditions (air movement, etc.). One night everything falls into place – spider walks onto yellow paper, camera is triggered, I wake up and watch the spider crawl off yellow paper. Doing this while you are awake is significantly easier, by the way.

3. The third notion is that you can remember things completely and thoroughly by simply applying a “key”. All that is needed to recall the entire sequence is to recall that key. There are a great variety of keys, but all keys seem to be classified into 11 categories. An example category is the target’s interfaces.

4. The fourth notion is that you can hold about 7 independent thoughts for a short period of time without much practice. With practice you can hold about 20 independent thoughts for a much longer period of time. With a few years of practice you can hold about 50 independent thoughts for 6 months, then with a quick refresher for another 6 months. The point is you can train to remember the results of your RV in its complete detail without writing anything down. (No specific recommendation regarding software for tablets. I have a table and have never connected it. My plan 15 years ago was to use it for the same purpose you described.)

5. The fifth notion is that feedback is essential during training sessions, but extremely harmful during RV sessions. To RV multiple targets with multiple RVs it is essential to not rely on feedback.

6. The sixth notion is that the RV session should be of sufficient length to capture the target truths and no longer. Typical session lengths are 40 seconds in duration. Typical time between sessions is about 4 minutes. Six targets can be fully described in one hour.

7. The seventh notion is that all the previous six notions can be overwhelming if it were not for the fact: time was invented by humankind, it is not a natural component of, nor needed to describe target truths.

8. I know that the seventh notion requires much discussion, so let me sum up the eight notions by saying sequential, but non serial human functions are the natural venue for psi. To impose the constraint of using temporal architectures and constructs severely limits one’s ability to determine target truths.

Gary

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psilentone

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

Of all the blasted nights to have to work....oh well. I hope there will be a transcript. Have fun!
 

daz

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

3am is a little late for me - can I get someone to ask a question for me?

SRI/SAIC commissioned Gary to create a proposed methodology (1986)
Its unclear or doesn't look like this was taken up - are there any reasons why this might be?

thanks.

daz
 

LD

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

Thanks Jon, for posting that.

Psilentone > There will certainly be a transcript. Bummer you can't make it!

Daz > Bummer you can't make it too! I'll make sure your question gets in the cue. :)


Best,
LD
 

LD

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

Thanks to everyone who came tonight. We had about 30 people join us for questions with Mr. Langford. It was a fascinating interview with lots of stuff to talk about. 90 minutes went by so fast!

The transcript will be up sometime tomorrow. Thanks again to everyone who came!

LD
 

Kiara

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

The alarm clock woke me up at 3 a.m., but I had 4 hours of sleep the night before... I could not keep my eyes open and I had to go to bed, I didn't even closed my computer.

Sorry to all.


Coudn't you have this events sooner... 3 a.m. is too late.
 

LD

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Kiara said:
The alarm clock woke me up at 3 a.m., but I had 4 hours of sleep the night before... I could not keep my eyes open and I had to go to bed, I didn't even closed my computer.

Sorry to all.


Coudn't you have this events sooner... 3 a.m. is too late.

Sorry you couldn't make it, Kiara. If it was 3am for you, I'm guessing you're near the UK. Problem is, Gary lives in the US and probably wouldn't have agreed to an interview at all if it meant him having to stay up to 3-4am over here to do it.

LD
 

PJ

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I promise I'm working on events that'll include UK/Europe folks timezones and have asked every guest if they'd be willing to do stuff on a weekend where it could hit an early hour in the US (normally during a workday, but on a weekend instead) so it would just be evening hours in the UK. We will have at least a couple like this I promise!

Joe McMoneagle made a point to put his interview (coming up, more details soon) early on a weekend day so that UK people could also participate if they wanted. That wipes out part of our US visitor base as the internet (at least in my areas) is always way less active on weekends esp. daytime than weekday evenings (or lunchtime).

We also have Dr. Richard Broughton (former Director of Rhine for eons, now teaching parapsychology at university level plus still a researcher, in the UK) who is in the UK so whose interview ought to be decent for that timezone.

SPEAKING OF THE UK etc.: There is a brand new remote viewing forum geared toward the UK, by Marv Darley who lives over there and wanted something more focused toward that region instead of the US. Marv is one of the die-hard volunteers who does free work for TKR mostly behind the scenes, so I want to promote his stuff, he's a serious viewer and a good guy. (He also has a personal site, more CRV- geared, at http://www.thehomemadeviewer.com). Anybody who is in the UK or Western Europe ought to join him and say hello, he is just starting out and like everything in this field that isn't about money, he's got no real way to advertise to get word out about his project. You can find it at: http://rv-uk.com

Best,
PJ
 

daz

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

just a couple of hrs earlier is all we need. if you do 7pm eastern then its only 12pm here and more manageable. But 3am is just a little too off - even 1am is managebale 8pm eastern.

daz :)
 

PJ

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The problem is on weekdays most people in the USA don't get off work until 5pm, get home/ready until 6pm with traffic and errands (let alone family dinners) -- and the West coast is 3 hours behind the East Coast. So 7pm Eastern is 4pm Pacific and we miss most people in pacific time, mountain time, and even many folks in central time, and only the strip of folks on the east are ok.

That's why when possible a weekend day is good just because it can be timed so that everyone can participate:

10am HI islands, 2pm west coast, 3pm mountain, 4pm central, 10pm zulu/GMT, 8am [next day] Australia. And around midnight in Germany if Katz is up late. ;-)

The downside is that participation in anything on weekends is a good deal lower. (If it isn't one thing it's another!) And that the guest may not want to do it at 2pm their time on a Saturday or Sunday of course, so it always comes down to what works for them, more than what works for everyone else alas, as it is their favor; we are not paying them (unfortunately) so we're at the mercy of their schedule.

Seriously, I hear you though. Working on it.

Palyne
 

Gene_Smith

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I've heard the statistic that the internet has a lot more activity during workdays/ worktimes than on weekends, and I'm not just talking about activity at business sites either.

Assuming the above has any truth in it, I would wonder if doing one in the middle of the U.S. workday might not work for a goodly number of people. Not only do they get to sit there enjoying the chat, but they're also getting paid.

(Currently not at work) Gene
 

katzenhai2

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Yes please, getting paid chatting with McMoneagle and others. Could the owner(s) of TKR include such a scheme in place for all the people which are not at work (retirement, jobless etc)? Thank you. :-* Should I post my bank- and paypal account details for my payment in advance?
 

PJ

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

Lunchtime -- noon to 3:30-4pm -- is big. But it's a variable and most people at least me! cannot PLAN for lunchtime to be one exact time and be able to be somewhere. Those who can probably can't change it (eg their lunch is always at 2). That also hits at the busiest evening point for the UK on the net so that traffic may be part of it.
 

PJ

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Heck yeah Katz. I'll just post MY visa number and everyone can be paid to attend. ::) :D
 

Liz

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Re: TONIGHT: GARY LANGFORD LIVE CHAT

I have no compaints. The timing of the latest interview was perfect here on the east coast of Australia... it was midday. It's nice that the times of interviews so far have been variable. That way we end up taking it in turns to have the interviews at a convienient time of day.
cheers
Liz
 

Marv_Darley

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Can we not just ask our guests to give 24 hour long interviews? That way we all get to ask them questions at our leisure. I'm sure they'd understand. :D
 
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