Past Life Regression - Past or Present?

weewizard

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:-/ If quantum physics says there is no time, really, that it is an illusion except at certain levels of experiential reality, how do we experience "past" lives? Would they all not be in the present? If they are all in the present, how are we connecting via hypnosis and remembering them as in the past? I am making the assumption here that they are valid and legitimate sources of information and soul purpose because as a hypnotherapist the validity has been demonstrated to me countless times, so we can save that discussion for another thread.

I'd like to postulate that there may be an option I haven't heard about anywhere else, but maybe someone else has. What if we have a consciousness at a higher level that is connected to more than one "simultaneous" life at a time? And we only experience one conscious "stream" of that as us, but that we actually have hundreds, maybe thousands, of different lives and experiences going on at the same "time"? What if we only think that these lives are in the past from our perspective, but that they are actually at different points along the timeline being experienced (outside of space and time) all at once?

Ok, did any of this make sense? ;) ???

Any thoughts from the gallery? I'm working on trying to understand this as my whole paradigm has changed recently studying both of these subjects.
 

Fire

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Years ago when I encountered the Seth material, some pretty major mental model shifts took place in me.

I'd been a hypnotist for years, and PLR's were one of my personal interests, I'd done a lot of personal study on this (only a little as doing, as I always felt it was likely to have more serious belief system effects on the average westerner than were apparent, and could cause some cognitive dissonance; but an immense amount of monitoring, reviewing video taped sessions, and reading any and all literature about the subject).

It is my current belief that all is 'now' and all is 'here' and that both time and space are a ... creative interpretation. We are semi-hardwired into both biologically it appears, but the mind isn't. So in that model, sure, the only reason past lives come up is because our culture believes remembering the past is possible and the future isn't. (Several people, such as Stephan Schwartz and Chet Snow, have reported regressing (gressing?? lol) multiple people to 'future' lives.)

Now and then in spontaneous psi, I bilocate into another individual, someone apparently from this world at that moment. This is never anything unusual in terms of the person or situation. One example is a retired man in Florida having his early morning coffee at a little table outside. I was with him for some time, and it was really pretty amazing even to remember, having so completely somebody else's perspective.

I used to consider this just... random, I guess. I felt utterly certain that it WAS a real person, but I was so 'them' during the period I never tried to like, get data to objectify or validate this. Anyway, it occurred to me a few years ago that perhaps the reason I happened to 'tune into' one of these people is because on some... deeper? level, they were a part of me. Part of an oversoul you might say. It's just a theory though. I really don't know.

I do know that sometimes there is a clear merge though. That I seem to have integrated some of their experience and/or character later. I figure this is because we are 'drawing from the same pool of Being'. But this is really just theory.

Fire
 

Damien

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Hiya WeeWizard. I think Rober Monroe describes this in one of his books. That there are many of him living presently and that they are all part of him/something higher.

Hiya PJ, you keep mentioning Seth. I have not read it but I am familiar with the concept. I am curious if you have ever heard or read the RA material:The Law of One. There are five books in total. It, to me, is the most lucid and understandable channeled work I have come across. Really quite amazing. Just thought I'd mention that. The Seth Material is on my list of books to purchase.

good day,
Damien
 

Fire

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Hi Damien,

Yeah, in fact I provided webhosting for a guy putting RA's The Law of One online for a long time--a long time ago (in internet time, lol). So I'm familiar with that.

Jane Roberts is an author worth reading, whether it's the Seth material or her own writing. Much of what is heard today is 1001 variants on what Seth brought forth decades ago. Much of the theoretical physics of the 80's and 90's reiterated Seth in its own way, which is no surprise since most of the leading minds for that actually spent time with Jane, talking to Seth about such.

It was The Nature of Personal Reality that really set me off, and I almost had to be forced to read it as at the time, I have strong negative opinions (scorn) for anything 'channeled'. I think Jane and Seth singlehandedly redeem that entire field. Many of the Seth books are 'experiential' if you're in the right frame of mind and read them on an intuitive schedule.

PS Yeah, staff jokes about the double identity thing. We have staff logins and user logins, and normally we want to have normal discussion with user logins, so it's just us as people, not 'official staff' doing the talking. I don't mind the alias, as I actually went by 'Fire' online for many years, dating back to 1992--hence the origin, in late 1995, of my RV website "firedocs" -- it was the directory name for where I kept online documents (not very creative eh!). I used the alias until a couple years ago when it became impossible to find any form of it available in any system. However since I'm one of the people starting this system, I was able to grab that username. ;D

PJ
 

weewizard

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Thanks, Damien, I'll check out some of his work. I have Ultimate Journey but haven't finished it yet, and I understand it's difficult to read unless you read the other books first.

Thanks, PJ for the confirmation. I think that your experience with this is fascinating. I don't think I've ever consciously "bilocated" or whatever you would call it into another individual person. There are occasional "knowings" that I get, things I just "understand" with no obvious experiential basis for them in this outer lifetime. I have always wondered where that information came from and have done some hypnotic regressions in the hopes of defining the process. The only explanation I could reach at the time was that all information was probably available to us at a different level. If we could understand how to get our personal "filters" to open up enough to let through something that we needed or wanted to understand we could probably discover just about anything. I just had not worked out the parallel/past life "resonance" of information into the equation until recently. What I mean by resonance is that certain types or groups of information are more available than others possibly due to the "resonance" of our other life experiences. Information I couldn't really understand or am not interested in during this life is probably continually still filtered out. Possibly this is why I do so poorly on certain targets.
 

Saluki777

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Fire,
I'd love to hear more details about how you got into the retired Florida guy's head. Do you know his name, where he lives, etc.? Wouldn't it be wild if you called him one day and let him know that you were a thousand miles away but inside his head? It might bring out the people in the lab coats and/or with handcuffs, but it would make a great sci fi film!
 

Fire

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Saluki, I'd like to know how I did it too. I mean heck I'd be a helluva viewer for people if I could do it on command! But alas, it's just spontaneous. And it's not a data collection session, because during that time, I'm not even aware of my identity outside theirs. I just 'am' them, and probably the only difference is that since it is novel for me, I am 'highly aware' of every nuance of their experience, whereas they're used to being them I assume, and I doubt they are. Fire
 

Saluki777

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Fire,
Have you 'done' a remote influencing course? I've listened to the tapes but no luck. Part of it is to try to imagine going into someone's head by visualizing putting their head over yours. I tried it with my dog [the Saluki]. He didn't respond then, but now--months later--he is being an absolute angel and completely understands everything I say to him.
I recently had a dog-walking accident---we were attacked by a loose pitbull and I got tangled in my dog's leash and came crashing down real hard, breaking bones in my pelvis and back...was in the hospital and rehab for over 3 weeks. My doctor says to expect a year of pain. I just want to be able to walk again...
 

Damien

Member
PJ, why do you think you 'shared' that particular person's reality? The posting somewhere on one of these here roads talks about several existances on earth at once of one "higher form or being". Do you think that it is possible that the person you were 'inside' happened to be another aspect or incarnation of your higher or complete being?

I almost confused myself on that one,
Damien
 

Fire

New Member
Saluki, I think 'remote influencing' is just age-old metaphysical stuff rehashed under a new term some people think is groovy because it's by-proxy associated with 'remote viewing'. I actually don't think I would study or engage in anything with anybody who called what they were doing remote influence just by personal bias lol. I have studied many forms of intent that are 'proactive' psi however.

WeeWizard, that reminds me of "artificial reincarnation", a practice where ordinary people have a hypnotic session that makes them believe they are somebody really famous and brilliant, profoundly talented, musicians and artists and so forth. They can suddenly paint and things like that, just like famous artists, etc.

Damien, I really fought against the concept of an 'oversoul' for a long time, as it went against my established belief systems. But I've had far too much experience to believe anything else now. While it could be merely random psi that prompts spontaneous bilocation, I tend to assume that anybody with whom I do is part of a larger me already.

Fire
 

waterway

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:D
In my theory du jour, I think past-life regression can occur cuz we tap into the "personal reality" of another person, and realize all their connected beliefs, memories and perceptions. It doesn't have to be "our" past life, in that we share connections to all people of all times and places. RVing the present is just tapping into other connections we recognize as "present" in our conscious world view. So the Oversoul is that vast, limitless pool of connections.
Hey.... didn't we discuss this same thing in another thread?

What interests me is WHAT allows us to make that connection?

Hey Fire, what Seth material book should I start with. It looks like my conclusions are pretty similar to those... so why re-invent the wheel.... ? Can you recommend a book to get me educated?
 

Fire

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I'd agree we might not have been 'connected' until the moment we made the connection (but at that point, we are). Some yogi I can't remember said nothing is ever coincidence; if we touch the hand of a person passing by us on the street, that it has a small meaning, that we and they are connected, even if tenuously.

I think I've talked about the 'library book' concept on identities--that an allegedly past life didn't have to be ours, but rather just "a life" that we tuned into. But that being said, there are certain things that indicate otherwise, at least for some. For example, I once had recall of a life... it's hard to explain, but another aspect of me was dominant, I was there, but not the primary personality. Anyway, I clearly recognized a man as being 'my brother in this life'. Later it seemed as if a lot of dynamics between my brother and I were at least somewhat explained by the idea of that other life and its unresolved status. (Well, it was resolved, but he died rather suddenly, so his feeling weren't I guess...!)

Everybody has their own favorite Seth book. One of the simpler books is 'Seth Speaks', so sometimes that is recommended by seth-nuts to folks just diving in. But I began with 'The Nature of Personal Reality'. The first half bored me and finally, something just cracked in me, and from that point on, I literally would think of stuff and write entire paragraphs and more to friends that I would then read in the book the next day... all sorts of experiences began happening that seemed to just perfectly precede the discussion about them in the book. I think Seth books are best read intuitively. By that I mean, when you FEEL like reading it, read. But if you don't really FEEL like reading (and ask yourself), then stop. I've often had seth books that I put down for a week, a year. When it feels appropriate to continue, then do. There is a sort of process that they seem capable of invoking in a lot of people, and I think that is more likely to work well if one judges their internal "pace" and readiness by how they feel about reading the book.

Fire
 

waterway

Member
Fire,

Thanks for the recommendation on the Seth books. I have a few books that I read years ago and they just bored me, then a recent reading just thrilled me to no end. You gotta get the ol' noggin prepared for some stuff. I re-read Mr. McMoneagle's stuff now and then and each reading I get more from it, cuz the ideas are starting to fit into my world-view.

I am reading Warcollier's book, got Ms. Calabreses book on intuition, and her street RV stuff, and I'm also reading Grof's "Realms of the Human Unconscious" which means I won't get around to the Seth material for another decade or two.... so I will be ready by then fer sure.....yea right...
 

Tunde

"Keep Moving Forward"
speaking of past/present lives...
Watched an interesting film the other day
called SOLARIS. produced by james camaron

Its one of those "intellectual sci fi films"
that you either love or hate.
I loved it. One of the all time classics.

Peace,
Tunde
 
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