RV...never get anything correct :(

[RickDan]

I dont get, I really dont get how to remote view. I prepare the papers for the session, I am in the mood to do it (really focused) and then I start the session.
After the last stroke for the target number, I will squeeze an ideogram. Sometimes will go slow, sometimes its like a burst. Then I go to phase A: describe the movement (thats easy) and feel the target to touch.

Well, lets stop here now: 1st, doing the ideogram by itself doesent feel natural, I think I am forcing it. In fact, in all the sessions I did, I never get correct an ideogram (for example, the target its a statue and I did an ideogram for life form, energy, whatever). Then, when I try to feel the ideogram, I must make something up. In fact I dont feel nothing, so after trying to relax, I make up something...well, maybe this is fluffy target, or hard...whatever. And I write that.

Then we have another problem: If my ideogram its "Lifeform" for example, I may imagine "dog" and I write that on AOLs, but the damage is done. Because I tought it was a dog, I will see brown hair on the target, or 4 legs, etc. And when I go to the next phase (sensations) I will build things based on that.

And in phase 3 (only sometimes I get there), sketches, I just make some random stuff. I dont see nothing! How can I make a sketch if I dont see nothing?! I dont feel nothing

Then, I stop (I must learn step by step) and analyse the target: total faillure! No match between ideograms/sensations/words/sketches and the target.

Sometimes it feels like ideograms and the phase 2 are like hindering really seeing the target, because I am forcing stuff out of my head.

Was the same with you in the beggining?

 

[Glenda]

You can RV. it is an art. This is a money place. my last time. Get the training for a job that pays money. We need it here. it is why we work at boring jobs hour after hour. Rv is your art. God bless.

 

[Arkeo]

Keep at it, RickDan. It will happen eventually. Let me bring your attention to a passage from the book, Mental Radio, as transcribed by Russell Targ and Jane Katra. It's at the first indent on page 96 of Miracles of Mind. It's really easy for someone to say, "Relax and don't try to force it." Well, how else does one do it, then? Right? I know what you're going through. Trust me. I'm going to state what seems like riddles, but: You have to tune out in order to tune in. Empty your head. Let everything go as quiet as possible. Surrender. I know you're already doing that, but I think you haven't zeroed in on it just yet. Do it cold sometimes. Don't even warm up, cool down or whatever. Jump in. Mix up your approach in every possible way you can think of until it happens. Do someone else's practice targets. There's one set I couldn't ever get a single hit on. Another set, I am nailing it all the time. Keep trying. Maybe set it aside for a time just to loosen up, but don't ever give up for good.

 

[RedCairo]

Try dropping all the details and just tell yourself, "Relax for awhile..." and when you feel your mind is calm and fairly quiet, say, "Tell me what is most important and relevant about the target." And write down your impressions. Or speak them to a recorder if you like that better. It sounds like you are fighting the structure you've adopted. And make the session short. 15 minutes. If you fail, do another one until you don't. If you succeed even a little, stop viewing for the day. There is no cosmic law about how you 'must' do things. There is however a law or truism about when you get bogged down and feel 20,000 leagues under: If what you're doing isn't working, do something else.

 

[Glenda]

The more stressed, in real life, or threatened, I feel, the closer that I RV. In my older years, I see it as a little funny. I have a strong sense of humor. I know RV is a big deal. I did it early. My kids do it. This is the money place. I know it. RV people are not stupid, and we see everything. This is the money place if you want to win. RV people adventure and loose at times. Why do men get on ships and sail across an unknown ocean in the old days and their ships sink and they die. To map the ocean. No fear. But here, it is the money place. That is so sad. The good news - it is temporary. You will be here a hundred years or less.

 

[Glenda]

I was told, in person, that we are not ready yet. I started crying. I never cry. At my parents funerals. My friends fuss that I never express my emotions in person. I do it in private. I am a private person. RV is hard stuff. I get playful with it because I did it as a kid, joking around, but now, it is a bigger deal. I think it will never be perfect, but we have some darg good viewers here. Darg is my new word. There are no perfect answers. We are not perfect people. That is okay. God likes us. I am a God person. He and I have some hard conversations, and I know nothing, but he is the big guy.

 

[RVTrainee001]

Sounds like you just gotta give it some time.

 

[soulchariot]

I dont get, I really dont get how to remote view. I prepare the papers for the session, I am in the mood to do it (really focused) and then I start the session.
After the last stroke for the target number, I will squeeze an ideogram. Sometimes will go slow, sometimes its like a burst. Then I go to phase A: describe the movement (thats easy) and feel the target to touch.

Well, lets stop here now: 1st, doing the ideogram by itself doesent feel natural, I think I am forcing it. In fact, in all the sessions I did, I never get correct an ideogram (for example, the target its a statue and I did an ideogram for life form, energy, whatever). Then, when I try to feel the ideogram, I must make something up. In fact I dont feel nothing, so after trying to relax, I make up something...well, maybe this is fluffy target, or hard...whatever. And I write that.

Then we have another problem: If my ideogram its "Lifeform" for example, I may imagine "dog" and I write that on AOLs, but the damage is done. Because I tought it was a dog, I will see brown hair on the target, or 4 legs, etc. And when I go to the next phase (sensations) I will build things based on that.

And in phase 3 (only sometimes I get there), sketches, I just make some random stuff. I dont see nothing! How can I make a sketch if I dont see nothing?! I dont feel nothing

Then, I stop (I must learn step by step) and analyse the target: total faillure! No match between ideograms/sensations/words/sketches and the target.

Sometimes it feels like ideograms and the phase 2 are like hindering really seeing the target, because I am forcing stuff out of my head.

Was the same with you in the beggining?

I am a beginner and you described exactly what is happening to me...Ive become very frustrated and vowed to QUIT!! and then the next day, here I am. Im alone also and using random target coordinates from the site,(with cued random numbered photos) on my computer, then have to race across the rooma a the carefully set up table with paper, forms, etc. My last session, last night, after the correct meditation, the forms, etc, etc, was the wrongest one yet! It was a bucolic nature setting and teh photo was a 7.6 earthquakein a city!!!

 

[soulchariot]

Try dropping all the details and just tell yourself, "Relax for awhile..." and when you feel your mind is calm and fairly quiet, say, "Tell me what is most important and relevant about the target." And write down your impressions. Or speak them to a recorder if you like that better. It sounds like you are fighting the structure you've adopted. And make the session short. 15 minutes. If you fail, do another one until you don't. If you succeed even a little, stop viewing for the day. There is no cosmic law about how you 'must' do things. There is however a law or truism about when you get bogged down and feel 20,000 leagues under: If what you're doing isn't working, do something else.

true the session above was nearly two hours total and I never got past phase 2, phase 2 was a total mess. You're right. Thx

 

[RVTrainee001]

Taking breaks for 10-15 seconds during the session may help as well

 

[tbone]

I really found watching videos of RV were helpful in learning. Actually seeing what someone was doing helped me to follow along. Just reading it in a book or on a website didn't cut it. I needed to see it in action.

 

[RedCairo]

When you are really sucking at it more than usual, make them SHORT. The worst thing you can do is agonize for eons while sitting around waiting and half inventing. Tell your brain, you have 5 minutes. Gimme what you got in that time! And you can try again, if nothing, but MOVE ON. One of the points here is not to make the process a horrible demoralizing grind. Learning theory kinda requires that you not be creating an aversion to something you actually want to do. I suspect your initial expectations have been skewed and you're trying to hold to a format when really, it's best initially IMO to just work on getting a few impressions (a few.) and get feedback.

 

[soulchariot]

I know you are right. I think the rigidity of forms and so on that I got into was partly a reaction to how I have handled intuition and "seeing" in my life. I just took it for granted and therefore have "seen" many wrong things and acted on them. So though I have a modicum of "natural"seeing, I am having a hard time trusting myself. I wonder if that makes sense. So, yeah, I've now shortened to 20 minutes and that being very little formal RV, but more cards online and such and brief picture "guessing."

 

[RedCairo]

OK so, remote viewing is specifically "free response." Anything that makes you choose 1-of-these-choices is not remote viewing. (You could view something, and then try to make that later decision based on the data. But only the first part is viewing.) Viewing got famous because free-response has better results than forced-choice. So, be brief if you like -- but if you want to view, your response needs to be free, not forced. Just fyi.

 

[Kiara]

soulchariot and others that are making a storm in a glass of water.

Take it easy... every person has their way of viewing, you can go the technical way... and there are many books about it, many free online... but you can also do it by instinct.
Just look at the coordinate and imagine that it is a portal to the another place portrayed in the target picture and look thru the portal using all your senses (sensorial and extra-sensorial).

 

[soulchariot]

Now 9 days later. Continued remote viewing of random photos (no repeats) on another site. Im having success. I get much of the gestalt, yet my information is not exactly the photo, but something meaningful about or near the photo. Example: I had the historic bridge in Wales gestalt, with people and water and towers and so on, yet I had ideograms that screamed "large animal" and intuition about "statue" So my final drawing was a concrete large statue of a man near something like the bridge. Lots of people But no big animal. So I googled the historic bridge, and lo and behold there are huge statues of lions at the end of the bridge! Then tonight, I got similar hints for another actual photo, which was of a historic ship being salvaged. I misinterpreted much of what I was getting, but I had people falling and great energy and manmade low structure. The photo was of a salvage of the USS Maine. It felt unsuccessful, yet when I googled USS Maine, after randomly choosing the target # for the photo, the USS maine was sunk on 2-15-1898---today! So im getting lots of information, connected to target but outside the photo. Feels like a lack of control, or something.

 

[tbone]

Yeah that happens to me all the time. I think a ton of quality practice would help but I just haven't had the time lately it seems. It sounds like you are on the right track.

 

[soulchariot]

Trying to do something every day, even if it's only 10 minutes. That's what I did in taekwondo lo those many (over 30) years ago--and I did get a black belt--a 2nd degree black belt! So having that comparison to martial art has been a real help. I remember being a white belt....awkward, falling on myself, but I never gave up, even through boring practice, failure to advance, injury, and all the rest. Hmmm.

 

[soulchariot]

what Im wondering is ... I just started this and Ive signed up, paid to subscribe on several sites and connected with others...what Im wondering is why so many of comment boards and websites just STOP around 2014 or 2016. Am I late to the party again or in the wrong place or did something happen? I don't have a lot of insight into this question!

 

[tbone]

I thought I read somewhere that a lot of it migrated to Facebook. I'm not on Facebook so I don't really know.