The Mandela Effect
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I have a fictional book in which the main character shot another character in the lower abdomen. In the story one of the other characters says "He thinks he wants to shoot him again but higher up and on the left" or something close to that. If it is a Mandela Effect I think this one really affects a lot of people, because I remember hearing that it was on the left too.
Mycroft
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My observation that The ME has a greater effect on those whom have a longer historical recall. It could be this is a naturally occurring phenomenon, a stage of life if you will, but the current dominant civilization is only now getting advanced to the point we have information at our fingertips and especially mass communication and skills. Making it more and more obvious there are multiple changes taking place all around us all the time.
Had a great uncle whom was very sharp, took a lot of my early skepticism (to question everything) from him. He would tell me things about before WW2, then he would say I remember specifically thus and such (he lived in Italy at the time). We would have a discussion and he would say this is astonishing, I have very specific memories of ("thus and such"). He said it was enough to make you crazy.
If anything it has caused me to see the truth of the multi-dimensional world, I have read and talked about. -And forced me to take ownership of my thoughts and memories, I am even more entrenched than before.
Recently I have been reviewing and pondering the differences, why did they happen, how could they have happened, am I causing them, external, what does the future hold? A hundred years ago a laborer would not have cared much if the hook where he hung his apron was higher or lower. Or a Forrester if a landmark had moved. It would all be passed off with a shrug.
This is our time to dream a better future.
Mycroft
Had a great uncle whom was very sharp, took a lot of my early skepticism (to question everything) from him. He would tell me things about before WW2, then he would say I remember specifically thus and such (he lived in Italy at the time). We would have a discussion and he would say this is astonishing, I have very specific memories of ("thus and such"). He said it was enough to make you crazy.
If anything it has caused me to see the truth of the multi-dimensional world, I have read and talked about. -And forced me to take ownership of my thoughts and memories, I am even more entrenched than before.
Recently I have been reviewing and pondering the differences, why did they happen, how could they have happened, am I causing them, external, what does the future hold? A hundred years ago a laborer would not have cared much if the hook where he hung his apron was higher or lower. Or a Forrester if a landmark had moved. It would all be passed off with a shrug.
This is our time to dream a better future.
Mycroft
I don't think so: I have ALWAYS looked for discrepancies and begun to notice some just about 15 years ago. And those things have always had " a reasonable explanation" The clear-cut things have begun to happen just a few months ago. And the most vivid are not quite random but point to some changes back in nineteenth century.
I have a friend who is really "into" this particular study (the mandala effect).
(Unrelated -- Hi Mycroft, bit late to the party here I know!)
For people who are really tracking this, the interesting thing is that it becomes not just an issue of "I think I remember it like so." It becomes an issue of, "Less than 24 hours ago, we marveled at how it was different 24 hours before, when we had looked carefully at it because we thought it had changed. Now it is pointedly different than it was just yesterday!" -- and three days later, it is different AGAIN.
Now this is not the same (to me) as just thinking you remember something. This is more akin to someone who has really studied a given subject WELL, and so when they say they remember it differently, to me that holds a lot more weight for taking seriously.
Much of the stuff you hear about is trivial and likely misremembered to begin with, like lines from movies and things like that. The stuff that is actually changing is... terrifyingly huge. Countries, continents, the human body, animals, massive events.
One either has to conclude that otherwise rational people serious about it are hallucinating constantly, and simultaneously separately but in tandem with numerous others; and one can only push that theory so far before it becomes obtuse denial; or start to consider that maybe there is a sort of gradual-collision-and-merge (perhaps sometimes cessation) of multiple timelines going on.
It's a little much to wrap my brain around. I think it creates massive cognitive dissonance in nearly everybody who doesn't have a pretty strong open-belief-space for parallel realities to begin with, and they immediately begin -- often with great evangelical enthusiasm -- going on about why everybody is totally wrong and it can't be happening.
I don't know, but I do know that I take seriously some of the people talking about the major stuff, and if they were to tell me with the same seriousness and detail about anything else, I'd believe them.
PJ
(Unrelated -- Hi Mycroft, bit late to the party here I know!)
For people who are really tracking this, the interesting thing is that it becomes not just an issue of "I think I remember it like so." It becomes an issue of, "Less than 24 hours ago, we marveled at how it was different 24 hours before, when we had looked carefully at it because we thought it had changed. Now it is pointedly different than it was just yesterday!" -- and three days later, it is different AGAIN.
Now this is not the same (to me) as just thinking you remember something. This is more akin to someone who has really studied a given subject WELL, and so when they say they remember it differently, to me that holds a lot more weight for taking seriously.
Much of the stuff you hear about is trivial and likely misremembered to begin with, like lines from movies and things like that. The stuff that is actually changing is... terrifyingly huge. Countries, continents, the human body, animals, massive events.
One either has to conclude that otherwise rational people serious about it are hallucinating constantly, and simultaneously separately but in tandem with numerous others; and one can only push that theory so far before it becomes obtuse denial; or start to consider that maybe there is a sort of gradual-collision-and-merge (perhaps sometimes cessation) of multiple timelines going on.
It's a little much to wrap my brain around. I think it creates massive cognitive dissonance in nearly everybody who doesn't have a pretty strong open-belief-space for parallel realities to begin with, and they immediately begin -- often with great evangelical enthusiasm -- going on about why everybody is totally wrong and it can't be happening.
I don't know, but I do know that I take seriously some of the people talking about the major stuff, and if they were to tell me with the same seriousness and detail about anything else, I'd believe them.
PJ
Hi,
This is so incredible. I just don't understand if indeed there is a "force" ( spontaneous or purposefully generated distortion) changing appearance of past events so how our memory remains not affected? So many aspects of this to think about!
I was born not a long time after JFK's assassination and in a different country, but as far as I remember there were 4 people in the car. This is how I think it was recorded in my memory and I also think I remember the shooting footage - the "climbing scene" as the 4 people car ( but frankly I am feeling a bit confused now ). And of course "we are the champions of the world" we always were
and no doubts here. Unbelievable that they have changed this! Is this a kind of a twisted political correctness or the real champions of the world have decided to show off?
This is so incredible. I just don't understand if indeed there is a "force" ( spontaneous or purposefully generated distortion) changing appearance of past events so how our memory remains not affected? So many aspects of this to think about!
I was born not a long time after JFK's assassination and in a different country, but as far as I remember there were 4 people in the car. This is how I think it was recorded in my memory and I also think I remember the shooting footage - the "climbing scene" as the 4 people car ( but frankly I am feeling a bit confused now ). And of course "we are the champions of the world" we always were
and no doubts here. Unbelievable that they have changed this! Is this a kind of a twisted political correctness or the real champions of the world have decided to show off?
Mycroft
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To me this is the manifestation of what 2012/12/21 was all about. It is our destiny to magnify our vibrational state. To immerse yourself into it means recognizing small things every day are different from previous days. Sometimes things seem to change for good and then others later change back.
To what extent things can change I do not know. Sometimes it is color, position, historical "fact", I cannot say that virtually anything can change, but I do not know that to be true, what would you say to the 230,000 people whom attended Mandela's funeral in the 1990's?
Even my mother in law has very distinct and vivid memories of Jiffy Peanut butter. Her beliefs run about as dogmatic as a Roman Catholic can possibly be. Yet in her 80's she recognizes something is amiss, the world is changing unexplainably and uncomprehensively.
Still referring to my Great Uncle, I am unsure if it runs in blood lines, or simply a rite of passage experienced by all, but having the advantage of instantaneous information all around us we are only now noticing the changes taking place.
One change that has stymied me is the location of a specific pavilion on a very large fair grounds that has managed to move at least once and maybe more. This is not a case of simple childhood dislocation as I have been making the annual trek as often as possible for at least 54 years. Only in the last half dozen or so years has the building moved. -keeps me guessing
I am waiting for the day I wake up to drive a green car instead of a black one or my dog is a poodle and not a German Shepherd. Then I will be rattled. I have noticed differences in my wife but for the most part we have stayed in sync, while the "historical narrative" around us appears to be in flux.
One thing I noticed is that older people with more memories or super memory capacity are most affected. I had many discussions with people at work, at first they will take the current view point then later say, no you are right. Once they realize they absolutely cannot rationalize changes between their memories and current reality, they tip, they are enlightened and more at peace with the realization they are not the only ones having this special experience.
Enjoy your special experience of life, this is why you are here.
Mycroft
To what extent things can change I do not know. Sometimes it is color, position, historical "fact", I cannot say that virtually anything can change, but I do not know that to be true, what would you say to the 230,000 people whom attended Mandela's funeral in the 1990's?
Even my mother in law has very distinct and vivid memories of Jiffy Peanut butter. Her beliefs run about as dogmatic as a Roman Catholic can possibly be. Yet in her 80's she recognizes something is amiss, the world is changing unexplainably and uncomprehensively.
Still referring to my Great Uncle, I am unsure if it runs in blood lines, or simply a rite of passage experienced by all, but having the advantage of instantaneous information all around us we are only now noticing the changes taking place.
One change that has stymied me is the location of a specific pavilion on a very large fair grounds that has managed to move at least once and maybe more. This is not a case of simple childhood dislocation as I have been making the annual trek as often as possible for at least 54 years. Only in the last half dozen or so years has the building moved. -keeps me guessing
I am waiting for the day I wake up to drive a green car instead of a black one or my dog is a poodle and not a German Shepherd. Then I will be rattled. I have noticed differences in my wife but for the most part we have stayed in sync, while the "historical narrative" around us appears to be in flux.
One thing I noticed is that older people with more memories or super memory capacity are most affected. I had many discussions with people at work, at first they will take the current view point then later say, no you are right. Once they realize they absolutely cannot rationalize changes between their memories and current reality, they tip, they are enlightened and more at peace with the realization they are not the only ones having this special experience.
Enjoy your special experience of life, this is why you are here.
Mycroft
The Mandela Effect is a very elusive one. I really do remember the funeral of Nelson Mandela decades ago. Was one Mandela an impostor?
I wonder if anyone has ideas on how to design an experiment to test or 'capture' the effect. Anyone have thoughts on this?
In the Rock & Roll world of the 1980's I clearly remember news stories on the death of Stephen Pearcy, the singer for a group that lovingly referred to themselves as Ratt. I had met him once after seeing the band in concert. He was refreshingly cordial and kind, so I was all the more saddened by news of his death. About a decade later, however, he pops up - alive. Further up to today, the poor guy happens to look like death warmed over (ala Keith Richards), but he's clearly not actually dead.
I wonder if anyone has ideas on how to design an experiment to test or 'capture' the effect. Anyone have thoughts on this?
In the Rock & Roll world of the 1980's I clearly remember news stories on the death of Stephen Pearcy, the singer for a group that lovingly referred to themselves as Ratt. I had met him once after seeing the band in concert. He was refreshingly cordial and kind, so I was all the more saddened by news of his death. About a decade later, however, he pops up - alive. Further up to today, the poor guy happens to look like death warmed over (ala Keith Richards), but he's clearly not actually dead.
My heart is on the left ALL of it.Seems I also have a sternum lump and now an 8 pack(used to be 6).My body shape is simply "not how I remember it" Iamstronger faster and my mind seems to be able to process information faster.Weird but true.I recently badly(level 3 injury) pulled my hamstring, was in pain for only 3 days.Recovered fully in less than a week.I can run at 22 mph and it seems easuer to breathe slower even when training hard.Strange thing is I feel 30 years younger.I am 51 years old but look like a 30 year old.Crazy thoughts.
RedCairo
do you ever dream you're someone else?
I had the first really 'serious' ME experience I've had, a couple weeks ago.
To summarize, there was an exceptional master product at my workplace that's so big, it takes down the server if we run reports on it, it takes hours to deploy it to our servers, it's huge. I've done the production on that area and with that product since we got it in 5 years ago. Four years ago when our first products using its content went live, the whole 'takes hours to deploy' issue came up and so messed up our workflow server-wide that I ranted about it, and in response to my pleading, the s/w team made it a utility so it runs separately but in parallel. Every business day for four years I have posted that sucker to the server, and I send everything at the same time, since it runs separately and doesn't delay everything else.
Except apparently that never happened. And apparently I hallucinated every business day of the last four years. Because now that utility separate path doesn't exist, never existed, and the s/w and qa people had no idea what I was talking about and were like, gee whiz, that IS an awfully big product isn't it. As if nobody had noticed this in four years or something.
It's one thing to misremember something. It's another thing to have had a daily experience which literally could not have happened in the way it did if the suddenly-new reality was really that way in the past.
It had a truly horrible psychological effect. I utterly hated everybody even peripherally involved for a while. I felt like someone else's reality tackled mine and killed it and all these people were on the side of the enemy.
It seems like such a stupidly trivial thing it's hard to imagine why something like that would change.
PJ
To summarize, there was an exceptional master product at my workplace that's so big, it takes down the server if we run reports on it, it takes hours to deploy it to our servers, it's huge. I've done the production on that area and with that product since we got it in 5 years ago. Four years ago when our first products using its content went live, the whole 'takes hours to deploy' issue came up and so messed up our workflow server-wide that I ranted about it, and in response to my pleading, the s/w team made it a utility so it runs separately but in parallel. Every business day for four years I have posted that sucker to the server, and I send everything at the same time, since it runs separately and doesn't delay everything else.
Except apparently that never happened. And apparently I hallucinated every business day of the last four years. Because now that utility separate path doesn't exist, never existed, and the s/w and qa people had no idea what I was talking about and were like, gee whiz, that IS an awfully big product isn't it. As if nobody had noticed this in four years or something.
It's one thing to misremember something. It's another thing to have had a daily experience which literally could not have happened in the way it did if the suddenly-new reality was really that way in the past.
It had a truly horrible psychological effect. I utterly hated everybody even peripherally involved for a while. I felt like someone else's reality tackled mine and killed it and all these people were on the side of the enemy.
It seems like such a stupidly trivial thing it's hard to imagine why something like that would change.
PJ
Mycroft
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Hi PJ, sent a note to your admin account.
Thank you for sharing what must have been a very uncomfortable experience. I've updated my email in my account, feel free to reach out to me on this.
To address some of the others in the thread, what I am seeing is that some say they started noticing the effect 15 years ago. Hmm, well I would like to say I believe there were very few forerunners who experienced this on a grand scale. Others are confusing the their memory with the actual period of time the changed was noticed.
To put it this way, if you lived through an event for a great number of years, your grade books even talked about it. the people you grew up with and associated with through all of your life and all of the sudden reality changes, then please understand this is not your memory failing. This is not contagion affecting your memory. Put simply this is an indication you have shifted. This is the Mayan prophesy come to light!
The best advice I can give you PJ is to roll with it. I have been in IT for a decade longer than yourself, we are analytical people but sometimes relying on memory alone. So when something changes from what we remember and have based our lives upon it really rocks the boat. -Sorry your birthing into ME was so painful, you should take that up with the Gatekeepers. The Mayans warned us but we misinterpreted what they wanted us to know.
Keep in mind there are those souls who have moved from this time continuum to another where they are experiencing the reality we remembered! Ha ha!
I told you in a post two years ago I was going to shift to a reality where there was a different presidential outcome than the one you dreamed about.
After 2012 we are much more free to choose our own reality and help build a better future. The whole thing is really very amazing.
Mycroft
Mycroft
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I would suggest while the net outcome may be similar, there is a subtle difference in perception. The perception that ME is expanding is due to the fact that more people are shifting, further and further. I personally believe the ability to shift will dissipate over time, but certainly not before this incarnation falls to ruin. However I am open to the idea that more people shifting further and further will push the global morass of consciousness to new vibrational highs or even another dimension.
https://www.3ho.org/3ho-lifestyle/aquarian-age/aquarian-shift-what-will-be-different
Mycroft
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OK, this is fine, but please keep an open mind about the millions of people that are experiencing and sometimes suffering because they do not know or cannot rationalize what is happening to them. I personally no longer consider it mind control, to do so would mean that I am subjective to it and I personally am no longer in control which would mean "they" already have me. In blind faith I prefer to believe I am a sovereign human, to do otherwise would mean I have already relinquished my free will. I believe that I and my connection to God (Source of All) are responsible for the people, places and things in my life.
I had never heard of Delores Cannon until this week. Fascinating lady. She was a hypnotist who in the 1960's and 70's stumbled into past life regressions. A pioneer, she began exploring them and eventually came up with a special technique for her hypnotic inductions. What came through, as far as I understand, was both human and non-human "intelligences" that one could interact with. She wrote books reporting what her clients said upon being regressed. She remarked how the intelligences would so often corroborate each other over many regressions of clients who did not know each other. I immediately got the idea that what she touched on in this lecture
could be thought of as explanation for what's happening in the Mandela Effect. It could have to do with multiple dimensions. I'm having trouble putting it into words. If you're interested in seeing what she said about multiple dimensions, I suggest seeing her talk referenced by the link I pasted into this paragraph. Everyone have a good weekend.