What are RV methods (no, really, what)?

jrb

New Member
I've been doing some extensive, rapid catch-up on RV and its history.

Reading of Ingo Swann's intent to develop an interface for the subconscious, my best understanding is that all formal RV methods represent an attempt at a contract or agreement of information flow between whatever the heck the subconscious is and our conscious mind.

Ingo's CRV, once formalized and taught, seems to have been taken very literally by some although it was only ever a metaphor or symbolic representation of the relationship between conscious, subconscious, and information.

If there is anything like a hundredth monkey effect, then CRV and other RV methods have all been taught enough now that they may be more "real" in the collective pool of species knowledge. The path is paved and easier to travel.

Comments by Dave Morehouse seem to support this, that his students over the years struggled less and less with concepts and procedures than in prior years.

I had my own experience in this vein. In attempting to learn RV using a bare-bones CRV-like protocol, I met initial, improving success with visual information before several sessions in a row ended with a swirling, tunnel-like visual. This was something like the top view of a cyclone or watching water going down the drain.

I tried to draw it and it had nothing to do with the targets. My mind wanted to call it a vortex, spinning and black and purple and somehow sparkling. I felt like maybe I could move into it but didn't know how. (And still don't.)

I was in the process of reading John Herlosky's book at the time, and not long after, I came to his description of learning Morehouse's ERV and how one goal of their visualization was to bring up a vortex, which for Herlosky was like swirling and purple, if I recall.

This struck me hard. Did I somehow stumble into an advanced RV technique? Is the vortex a universal experience?

I bought Morehouse's online ERV course although I hadn't done CRV. I reached out to their instructor and asked. Basically I was told, "no, the vortex is just a metaphor."

But it is all metaphor, isn't it? Morehouse teaches the Matrix like it is a real, spiritual thing. That isn't how Ingo seemed to view it.

But maybe this stuff is more real the more it is used. Maybe we are all paving the roads with our belief and experience, wishing and practicing and testing and sweating and deluding it into life. Maybe I did get slammed in the face with a vortex because Herlosky and others have repeatedly visualized vortexes.

About 10 years ago, PJ wrote:

"What I mean is, I think that every thing I think about RV is a belief system."

Although I'm still at the starty start and haven't met much success, I've had this impression that RV and its formalized methods are all these pathways being manifested and paved. This interface that Ingo imagined and desired between conscious and subconscious is like a collective spell or work of magic being brought into reality.

Many paths are now open to be trod. There are large disagreements between different RV methods. None are more valid than others, per se. Through belief and commitment and wishing they all provide entry points.

PJ and others, if you don't mind, what do you think now about RV and RV methods?
 

ChrisV

Member
My personal belief is that people who are trying to sell something are going to promote their method or technique above all others. I also think whatever method or technique gives you results, that would be your best method or technique. We see many methods and techniques in the TKR Dojo. Sometimes, I do better when I don't follow a method and just wing it to save time. I like having a method and usually try to stick with one. But, it is still about results.
 
In those ERV classes, several people had a visual experience of the vortex. so i would say it is a "real" thing. i would equate it to portals that some witness during OBE/LD travels. really why not? maybe its a means of "travel"? ...of shifting or phasing your awareness to another place. is it a potent tool or just a part of the process not worth attending much energy to? guess you gotta go and explore and come back to tell us!
 

ChrisV

Member
From Christianity to Sanskrit Vedas we have been told, "In the beginning was the Word," which was the vibration from which all things came. This vibration had a geometric form, which generates unique vortex energy. This Vortex energy is part of a two-way communication system within the universal mind. Geometric vortex energy forms reach across to other dimensions via the Universal mind network. It is therefore an ideal vehicle of the manifestation responses for invocation, contemplation, Divination, remote viewing, healing, chakra balancing, etc. - Quantamplation: Something for Everyone from the "All That Is" by F.A. Raffa

This is one author's interpretation of the vortex.
 

lightworkx4

New Member
I don't rely on methods others create. I don't use drugs to get there. I create my own way. I have met with some of the best governmental CRVs form Monroe Institute in Charlottesville VA. Good people but not like me. I know some of the Remote Viewers from Farsight and their methods are ok but not right form me. I'd rather just sit with a logistics officer (airforce) and he pinpoint on a map what he is looking for and I zero in on it in a heartbeat. I see what he's seeing on satellite and tell him the changes he is going to see in the next set of frames. My accuracy is in the 90's with misinterpretation being my room for error.!
 

jrb

New Member
In those ERV classes, several people had a visual experience of the vortex. so i would say it is a "real" thing. i would equate it to portals that some witness during OBE/LD travels. really why not? maybe its a means of "travel"? ...of shifting or phasing your awareness to another place. is it a potent tool or just a part of the process not worth attending much energy to? guess you gotta go and explore and come back to tell us!
What's funny is that since asking these questions last year and reading about the vortex, and actually trying Morehouse's ERV, I haven't experienced it even once more.

From Christianity to Sanskrit Vedas we have been told, "In the beginning was the Word," which was the vibration from which all things came. This vibration had a geometric form, which generates unique vortex energy. This Vortex energy is part of a two-way communication system within the universal mind. Geometric vortex energy forms reach across to other dimensions via the Universal mind network. It is therefore an ideal vehicle of the manifestation responses for invocation, contemplation, Divination, remote viewing, healing, chakra balancing, etc. - Quantamplation: Something for Everyone from the "All That Is" by F.A. Raffa
That's interesting. So it sounds like you're saying that the vortex as taught by Morehouse may actually map against a similar concept from another school of thought, which would point towards it being a legitimate phenomenon vs a helpful visualization tool.


I don't rely on methods others create. I don't use drugs to get there. I create my own way. I have met with some of the best governmental CRVs form Monroe Institute in Charlottesville VA. Good people but not like me. I know some of the Remote Viewers from Farsight and their methods are ok but not right form me. I'd rather just sit with a logistics officer (airforce) and he pinpoint on a map what he is looking for and I zero in on it in a heartbeat. I see what he's seeing on satellite and tell him the changes he is going to see in the next set of frames. My accuracy is in the 90's with misinterpretation being my room for error.!
Gosh, I would love for that to be the case for me, but I'm the kind that has to claw and scrape my way to progress with RV. I find the process maps helpful as I try to build bridges with my subconscious that just haven't been there or have rotted into ruin.

What was wonderful about Ingo Swann is he tried to help people like me by creating paths. I may never experience things to the degree that he naturally did, but I definitely have experienced more than I would have if left on my own.

Would you be able to share any of your processes in a way that others could understand and learn from them?
 

lightworkx4

New Member
Since we are all on lockdown in the US - I will make time. This area is very interesting because I find more and more of us finding each other. I owned a business a few years back that was open to the public. I had many interesting people come in. One was a Viewer for the Air Force. He told me he sat in front of a screen being fed by satellite images all day using his photographic memory he could tell of there was movement in areas they knew there were terrorist. As I talked with him and asked him if there were others like him he said yes but no two were the same - He was remote viewing as he was looking at the screen which is very interesting. There are many more advanced than I am out there.
I can appreciate where you are in your development. You've heard the term "Use it or Lose it" ? That does not apply here. You will always have access to this utility. It's yours and it is unique and as the great Ingo Swann has mentioned you must make it yours and it has come from the unseen aspects of the person. Cloud manipulation is one characteristic we all experience when you have the RV utility.
I will write down different methods I use. I like to use the psychic reading version best when holding a picture no longitude or latitude needed. When in the DoJo - I tone and firm the exact location using Longitude and Latitude and it works best when looking for "military items of interest".
 

tbone

Member
If I recall correctly, Robert Monroe used to run into a vortex at times. He said (if I recall correctly) to direct your attention to about 6 feet out from head and up about 30 degrees. If I find the time I will try to find the exact quote.
 

tbone

Member
"Cloud manipulation is one characteristic we all experience when you have the RV utility " This has come up over the years a couple of times on this forum. It does seem to work.
 
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