Why S2 before S3?



I got thinking tonight and ran over one of things I never really understood about the RV process. The thing I still wonder about is why S2 must come before S3. I mean S2 seems more specific in nature than S3 so you'd figure it would come after it. Anyways, if anyone knows why this is please help. Thanks.


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it doesn't have to.
if you don't want to do S2 before S3 then make up and use a freestyle method.

If you want to follow a method - then follow it religiously (at least until you are good) the method is there for a reasons and there are few reasons why S2 is before S3. Remember Ingo Swann spent allot of time (years) creating or compiling the six stage process (based on how he saw PSI working) - ask yourself are our thoughts on changing it backed up by the knowledge, testing and experience to match this - if not then knuckle down and use the knowledge of great men.




Hi Daz. I don't mean to change it or do it any different; I just wondered if anyone knew why it is the way it is? There must be a reason?


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Hi Rvguy.

I think that the CRV structure drew upon other `known` methods of data perception and their underlying orders and processes.

As with most other forms of perception CRV begins with the basic autonomic response (S1) and moves on through those aspects of the target site most instantly available to consciousness (sensories: S2) before attempting a more fully spacial, `integrated` apprehension of whatever it is being perceived. (S3).

I would disagree with you that S2 is more specific than S3. Remember that in S2 you are only recording fleeting featherlight impressions as they whizz past you...in S3 you are committing to paper huge chunks of the target site (it's general shape, contours, lines etc).

Close your eyes, hold out your hands and get someone to drop and object into them for a second before whipping it away and out of sight. Now which is the more specific task...describing how the object felt in a few words or attempting to sketch what it was on paper?

Marv  :)


Good points Marv. I had not thought of it that way before. Thanks for the input.


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I believe there a a couple of reasons. First CRV is a ritualistic system in that your only concern is following the protocol (in methods). The reasoning in that you will learn to follow the protocol without having to think what to do next.

Also, S2 is general descriptors that you really want to lead you into dimensional data. Without dimensional contact, there really is no S3. Then S3 dimensional contact leads to more specific S4 descriptors.

I dont think there is anything wrong with trying something new, though. Some of my best targets in the dojo have been just typing what comes to mind. No protocol whatsoever. I try to practice mostly CRV (morehouse method), but sometimes I just want a quickie, to see how it turns out.


believe there a a couple of reasons. First CRV is a ritualistic system in that your only concern is following the protocol (in methods).
Yep, if after S1 you have to think something like "uhm... what I am going to do now? Stage 3 or 4?" you've just stepped on a slippery ground, where you can lose signal beofre being aware of it.

You'll hear everywhere the phrase "keep in structure"... I think it's so important, that's even under my avatar here ;D
IMO it doesn't really matter if S2 comes before or after S3: you just find the best method for you. But once you're confident with it, stick on it and don't leave your structure even if you are in a "bad RV period".

Good luck! :)