pjrv : Messages : 450-451 of 4038
#450 From: aeonblue8008...
Date: Sun Aug 11, ?00? 8:?6 pm
Subject: Re: changing methods of RVing aeonblueau
(IMO? )Not shure folks backslide.
There is a bit of a plateau ummmmmm phenomena that occurs.
(over and over and over? )
Integration (utilization? ) I expect.
Keep that in mind tho, I see metaphysical plateaus all over the place, normal
growth and adaptation.
After a seeming stagnate plateau you may seem to dip slightly/(dramatically? ),
but if you follow thru (persist? ) you usually skyrocket to the next..
If your attracted to RV and are trained or school yourself ERV or CRV style
so mote it be. (IMO? )
It evolves, and/or perhaps you evolve.
(and integrate? )
you mention mundane.. same ole same old.
that usually applies to targets.
RVers need(require IMO? ) attraction excitement and adventure.
Tasker should keep you on your toes.
RV is fun- stretch your imagination.
I don't think a method goes stale, I've never seen a method or viewer run to
absoulte flat line/zero, I think thats impossible, it's forever evolvoing,
viewer is forever evolving, so should your targets.
Every target is different, every target I learn/experience something new.
I've never found any stables, nothing dependable in RV (stable basics? ) every
session is different.
All the best ~~Terri
#451 From: "ozblueriver"
Date: Mon Aug 1?, ?00? 1:41 am
Subject: Re: changing methods of RVing ozblueriver
I have been constantly reading on a few different sites about peoples
problem with degrading results until they try a new form of RVing.
> but if you follow thru (persist? ) you usually skyrocket to the
Maybe the problem is not so much in getting bored but as you
say.....not "following through (persist? )".
I have just discovered that what I have been doing on my own for the
past 10yrs is what you all seem to call ERV. I get myself into Theta,
ask a question, go blank and wait for the answer. I have been through
stages of not getting any answer but in my case I think it has always
been either due to burn out or lack of trust (mainly the latter? ).
As I have only just begun Pru's course I am still very naive in
regards to what's what and it has bothered me that a lot of people
say that when they first start RVing they go really well and then
crash for a while. I have been trying to figure out why that would be.
pjrv : Messages : 455-459 of 4038
#455 From: aeonblue8008...
Date: Mon Aug 1?, ?00? 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: Re: changing methods of RVing aeonblueau
"I have been constantly reading on a few different sites about peoples
problem with degrading results until they try a new form of RVing."
. . . . First off I would say quit reading but that's just me :-? )
A lot of the stuff on the net may amount to nothing more than (possibly
bogus? ) contaminated frontlaoding. When I was taught ERV I was horribly green
didn't know squat from the hole in the ground. I had zero preconceived
notions or considerations, I had really no idea what I was doing, just that
it amazed me to no end.
re the crash and burn (degrading results? ) I have heard of this phenomena but
never experienced it.
IMO what can happen and may occur is the/a gradual loss of (strict? )
discipline, letting protocol and structure become sorta ... lax. Usually your
not doing yourself any favors screwing around with the protocol you were
Another issue is for me anyway, the tasker, I dunno why.
There is an (fantastic? ) art to tasking IMO, a genius tasker/tasking can do so
much (manipulate/direct? )or pull so much from a viewer/s.
Some taskers I just can't or don't want to work with (I don't have confidence
in them perhaps? ), I prefer the same tasker all the time, maybe that's an
issue of trust and respect. RV IMO involves or requires A LOT of trust in
yurself and who you work with.
I am real big on having a monitor but currently that seems to be passť..
really getting trashed.
Another biggie for me is being totally absolutely thoroughly blind, that
makes for much cleaner accurate sessions IMO/E. Double triple blind, the more
IMO if you find your viewing on a lull- dip or plateau, don't change horses
mid stream, get your teacher or tasker to give you some really wild/fun and
different (attractive? ) targets, vast variety elements aspects and time frames
RVing or RVers can get bored easily, IMO they are always up for the next
challenge, really push the window, keeps it interesting.
All the best.. and have great fun with your RV training
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#459 From: "ozblueriver"
Date: Tue Aug 13, ?00? 8:?4 pm
Subject: Re: changing methods of RVing ozblueriver
........I had really no idea what I was doing, just that
> it amazed me to no end.
Ditto. I have never found anything quite as intriguing as what our
minds are capable of. It's truely astounding (constantly? ). To know
without a doubt that NOTHING and no WHERE is hidden from us is awe
inspiring. The things I have seen, without even having to leave my
living room, have ranged from awesome to mind blowing. It sure
stretches ones idea of what's 'normal'.
>RV IMO involves or requires A LOT of trust in
> yurself and who you work with.
Could you explain why a trust is needed in the tasker. (I'm assuming
that their roll is just to assign the task.? )
>I am real big on having a monitor but currently that seems to be
> really getting trashed.
Now I'm assuming a monitors roll is to guide and ask what they think
are pertinent questions such as, "Do you see color?". If this is
correct, then I personally would need to TOTALLY trust them. If they
started to ask pathetic or irrelevant questions I would bet
frustrated. I can imagine that they could even lead you right away
from the correct data. But, boy Oh boy, do I wish I had someone to
verbally guide me while I just related what I saw/felt. It would save
me going off on tangents to look at interesting things that come
along and then getting lost in something else other than doing the RV
> Another biggie for me is being totally absolutely thoroughly blind,
makes for much cleaner accurate sessions IMO/E. Double triple
I'm wondering why it makes any difference what anyone else knows or
doesn't know?????????? Could you please enlighten me. TA
>All the best.. and have great fun with your RV training
Now that is one thing I can do.
pjrv : Messages : 447-460 of 4038
#447 From: "ozblueriver"
Date: Sun Aug 11, ?00? 10:?5 pm
Subject: changing methods of RVing ozblueriver
I have been putting some thought into why people do so well using one
RVing technique only to end up backsliding until they start using a
new method and then go back to getting good results.
I like to compare Rving to the old fashioned pioneers who went out
into the unknown world to explore and find new lands. I'm sure this
takes a certain personality type. Someone who is out for adventure
and who gets a little bored with the mundane. (would I be right here?? )
I have been wondering if this is why a certain method goes stale
after a while, simply because it has been 'found' and explored and
the person has an inbuild need to move on, to grow and try new things
such as another method there by providing a renewed sense of
What do you think?
Date: Tue Aug 13, ?00? 11:?? pm
Subject: Re: changing methods of RVing dennanm
> I have been putting some thought into why
> people do so well using one
> RVing technique only to end up backsliding
> until they start using a
> new method and then go back to getting good results.
Good question. Could be a lot of things. Novelty is important
though. The decline effect is pretty common and maybe
changing 'methods' is one way viewers try to combat that.
> I like to compare Rving to the old fashioned
> pioneers who went out
> into the unknown world to explore and find
> new lands. I'm sure this
> takes a certain personality type. Someone who
> is out for adventure
> and who gets a little bored with the mundane.
Well, I think the subconscious really loves creativity, novelty, new
challenges, new ideas. I think one can get them into the same method
of practice, but it depends on the person.
Maybe changing RV methods is like moving the furniture around or
dying your hair when you're bored with your life, when maybe what one
really needs is to get a new hobby or spice up the love life or
whatever else gets projected onto my hair or furniture, lol. Maybe
the "spark of new" sought gets projected onto methods and so they
change, when really the issue is more intangible and personal (though
still in relation to psi? ).
> I have been wondering if this is why a
> certain method goes stale
> after a while, simply because it has been
> 'found' and explored and
I think a method is like anything else. Learning software, for
example. Most everybody has used a word processor or spreadsheet.
When you first use them, they are so awesome, and they beat the
typewriter and 10-key by light years. After awhile, it's just
another day. If you keep at it, you eventually start wanting to make
macros, and form letters, and style sheets, and cross-linked reports
and graphs, and things that maybe that software 101 class didn't
cover. It doesn't mean the teachers of that class don't do that stuff
or can't; it doesn't mean you weren't ready for it at the time (some
people are? ); but eventually a person wants to do something where THEY
are part of the creative process, and I think that is the big thing.
It's not just about being "more advanced". It's about being PART OF
the CREATIVE PROCESS which is actually doing it.
I think remote viewing is tied closely in with creativity, and most
people start wanting to be part of that "creative process". If you
work in a business and you make or sell other peoples' metal widgets
all the time, maybe eventually you get the idea that you'd like to
invent something of your own, or sell an idea you thought of instead
of someone else, or just plain ol' do your own thing, even if it
means half the money for twice the hours (which working for oneself
often is? ). I think that's just natural progression in any person who
is given to being a little creative.
> the person has an inbuild need to move on,
Some people by personality have a difficult time sticking with
things. This is often seen as a curse in our culture but I don't see
it that way always. The only people who move forward are the people
who aren't staying still, as the rather obvious saying goes ("you
can't steal second with one foot still on first"? ), and it's the
ability to "let go" -- a certain boldness, braveness, even craziness -
- that often defines highly creative personalities.
As an extreme example, I once worked for a man who was highly ADD
(attention-deficit disorder? ). This guy was amazing. When he was
younger, he'd started sweeping in a men's clothing store. 3 years
later, he was managing it AND had opened 5 (!? ) additional branches.
He later got a job as a ground-floor, part-time salesman at a lincoln-
mercury dealership. Not long later, he was the state regional sales
manager. He was CEO in a biz he founded, based on one of his
technology inventions, in the Sears Towers when Black Tuesday hit in
the 80's, and the Aussie financier (price waterhouse? ) pulled out of
all American businesses. It was R&D -- he was left with 10 million
in corporate debt of various sorts and no product.
I met him five years later - still in business (not without a great
deal of 'creativity' and depending on new investors he sold to, I
might add? ). I worked for him for 4 years and by the time I left, he
had rolled all debt into stock and had a totally clean company ready
to roll into IPO and a viable, proven, kick-ass product.
I consider him one of the most amazing human beings I've ever met in
my life. He had this ability to shape his reality that was so
impossible, yet repeated, that eventually I just came to take what he
said literally. If X happened, and he believed Y happened, I just
acted as if Y was the way it was -- because I knew even if it
contradicted physical reality, circumstance, and managers were
standing there arguing about it, that it would come to be his way and
two weeks later, everybody would agree it had always been that way.
You hear about people who could sell a freezer to an eskimo, this guy
was truly one of those. We had people walk in the door about an old
debt ready to punch him out, and walk out not only having agreed to
take stock in exchange, but having given him a check for more!
He was an inventor. He saw things in his head, usually at about 3am
or so when he was pacing the kitchen (a chronic insomniac? ). He had
invented this rotating electric machine replacement technology when
he was in high school but it took a long time to get around to it,
and he won the IA State Invention Award one year for it finally. We
would go into businesses where PhD engineers would stand there
arguing that he didn't know squat, had no degree, that it could never
work, and he would prove it right in front of them, and they'd never
apologize, they'd just get hacked off and stomp out.
We signed a joint venture with MagneTek, the biggest motor mfg
company in the world, and they literally violated the contract
outright and stole the customer in the most underhanded way (typical
mega-billion corp? ), and the CEO sat there in our office and told my
boss straight out that motor tech is totally entrenched, it didn't
matter how much better our product was in ?4 ways, and he'd just wait
until the business died of lack of capital and then buy and bury the
patents. (Well at least he was honest!? ) And we were investor-
driven, so we were CONSTANTLY at the mercy of investors being willing
to provide some payroll, some capital for this or that.
My boss drank far too much. He was also seriously right-wing and a
bit of a bigot about everyone and everything to boot. My father, who
is one of the most friendly guys in the world, met him at my birthday
dinner one night and said it was the first man he'd wanted to slug in
the head in years, LOL. He was not a candidate for Mr. Politically
Correct, to understate it. He was essentially, to the outside world,
an alcoholic and a jerk, and the man could not pay attention to
anything longer than 15 minutes. He had to use the restroom, take
smoking breaks, go for walks around the business, whatever, he could
not sit in a board meeting for any length of time.
But he hired detail-freaks like (formerly? ) me to keep him straight.
And he hired people who had the courage to argue with him about
anything so he knew he'd hear the worst from people he trusted before
people he was trying to sell to. He was not brilliant
philosophically for sure, and he was not educated formally beyond
high school, but he knew people and was savvy in a street way.
And he was an amazing, extraordinary human being. He had brilliant
ideas, which might have been helped by more education in engineering
of various sorts (many of his ideas were magnetic related? ), but then
again might have been squashed by formal edu as is so often the
case. No other person on earth, I am convinced, could pull off what
this guy did with his $10mil debt/no product company. No other
personality I've ever encountered could have dealt with the
unbelievable daily STRESS of having to beg for money from investors
weekly to stay in business, of not knowing what tomorrow would bring,
of knowing that everything you've been working for, for 10 years,
could fold overnight, taking the money of your family and friends
with it not to mention the jobs of all your people.
He pulled it off BECAUSE he had the kind of personality that
could "let go" mentally and move on to other things. Many times, we
would come up against a wall with a certain customer or application
(that took more funding than we had to develop? ), and he would try
until he saw it wasn't going to work, and then he would change
directions faster than a horse (and anyone ever riding an out of
control horse knows the 90 degree turns they can make! - I got a
serious concussion at age 16 thanks to that...? ). It drove the people
he worked with NUTS. He was accused of being "changeable" or "not
sticking with" things, or whatever. But the bottom line is, if he had
NOT been able to simply let go of such attachments and move on, he'd
have been out of business many years prior.
The point of this is just a real life example of an extreme case, an
inventor personality who was ADD to boot. He accomplished the
seeming impossible in a lot of ways.
I think those kind of people are _invaluable_ in our species, and in
any field. They don't usually get much respect or recognition at the
time. But someday, one looks back and sees the people who "couldn't
stick with" something were divided into two categories: the 99.9% who
just were lazy or disinterested or undisciplined; and the .1% who
were just so extraordinarily creative and driven that they had to
keep moving on.
Who knows, in RV, who fits where. History will show us, I think, a
lot more than we see today.
> by providing a renewed sense of achievement.
Sense of achievement is good. :-? ) Anything that does that is good in
pjrv : Messages : 475-475 of 4038
#475 From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Thu Aug 15, ?00? 1?:41 am
Subject: RE: Changing methods of RVing ozblueriver
You were saying:
>Maybe changing RV methods is like moving the furniture around or
>dying your hair when you're bored with your life, when maybe what one
>really needs is to get a new hobby or spice up the love life or
>whatever else gets projected onto my hair or furniture, lol. Maybe
>the "spark of new" sought gets projected onto methods and so they
>change, when really the issue is more intangible and personal (though
>still in relation to psi? ).
I think that 'spark of new' creates an added openness to life. I have thought
about how I feel when I get a new hair cut or buy a new dress or as you
say...moving the furniture, and there is a certain feeling of loving life and
becoming 'open' rather than the bland feeling one has when things are the same
as every other day. This feeling of openness would be bound to spill over to all
aspects of ones life including getting new ideas and RVing. And what could be
better for viewing than being OPEN. And that would explain why some people find
their RVing results improve after a change in method. Maybe I should start to
nurture that 'spark of new' feeling more.
pjrv : Messages : 476-481 of 4038
Date: Thu Aug 15, ?00? 5:1? pm
Subject: Re: RE: Changing methods of RVing nitahickok
I think that spark of new is very important. I am always learning new
things all through my life. I vary methods all of the time. It give you a
flexibility and makes it easier to deal with problems.
Anything that can be a change in your life is a positive moment. I got a
grant to have my house remodeled. My hubby is out painting it right now. I
found out through some information given by a friend that my feng shui
colors are warm oranges, reds, etc. My hubbys colors are dark colors. We are
painting the house a pale peach plus a dark green trim. It has perked up my
whole attitude today even without all the other changes. It's a lot better
than battleship gray and dark blue trim.
I never would have read about feng shui if I hadn't been open to new
things. RV methodology is the same way. You have to use what makes you feel
best and what gets the best results. You can't become inflexible or you are
limiting yourself to what everyone else can do. You may be able to do so
much more because of not limiting yourself to one method.
Live Today You Can Always Procrastinate Tomorrow!
#479 From: "Elizabeth Hambrook"
Date: Fri Aug 16, ?00? 3:?5 am
Subject: Re: RE: Changing methods of RVing ozblueriver
Gee, your colors sound lovely. Soft apricot is so warm and comforting isn't it.
I have just started reading Einstein's Theory. It's amazing how some people hear
in colour and some read in colour or smell different colors.
>You can't become inflexible or you are
>limiting yourself to what everyone else can do. >You may be able to do so
>much more because of not limiting yourself to one >method.
Sorry Nita if I have given the wrong impression regarding changing methods.
My original concern was that some newbies to RVing had a sudden decline in their
results. I had been wondering why that would happen. I wasn't concerned that
they changed methods but it also intrigue me as to why they would suddenly
improve again after having changed methods.
But in the course of this discussion with you all, I have come to the conclusion
that it might be due to that feeling of openness that one gets when revelling in
the 'spark of new' (as PJ puts it so well? ) that gets them back on track again,
rather than the actual method used at the time. This is not to say that some
methods wouldn't suite some better than others.
Personally I'm addicted to 'the spark of new'. (PJ..I think I'll be quoting you
for a while. LOL? ). It puts such a zing into life doesn't it? And now I see that
it can also be a benefit in surprising areas such as RVing. We are such holistic
beings that if one area in our life is fun and doing well then it can't help but
to improve all areas.
I've just planted out some of my veggie patch and can't wait for 'the spark of
new' when the little heads of my pea plants pop up to greet the sun. :? ) That's
bound to put an edge on my RVing. LOL
Have a great day
Date: Fri Aug 16, ?00? 11:44 am
Subject: Re: RE: Changing methods of RVing nitahickok
I have heard that the best things can be accomplished when you have a
equilibrium within yourself. It involves that spark of new and all the good
things of life. The spark of new gives us a change to balance ourselves
again and bring new things into our life. It works with RVing and everything
else. Gardening is really good for grounding and centering yourself. All
sorts of things that are the daily stuff of life help to improve talents
which aren't associated with them. It is because it opens up communication
through the mind for postive things to occur.
Live Today You Can Always Procrastinate Tomorrow!