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#656 

Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? 1:1? am
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	a_healey56



Happy birthday PJ.

I went to mceagle.com earlier today and saw Joe's cats.  He talks about
those cats and how psychic they are a lot, he must really like them.  He
sure has a bunch of them.  I like the big one.  I meant to give you a
question for Joe about the psychic cats, but forgot.  I know it's too late
now.  Have a good b-day!

Dave

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Moderator's note: He might be willing to take an extra
question about his cats, given that none of the others
address that, and he loves talking about them. :-? ) PJ

	
#657 
	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? 4:?? am
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	maliolana



Aloha PJ,

We are interested@

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

> Oh yeah.  I got a package from a scientist friend
> recently with a whole bunch of papers specific to
> aspects of RV.  If I can wade through them, maybe
> I will write a sort of paraphrased summary (read:
> "in english"? ) on them, if anyone's interested.

	
#658 
	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? 8:?5 am
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	gebega



Hi PJ,

I get like that too.....ebb and flow. I become enthused with something and
live and breathe it for a while.. then settle back down a bit, and if my
interest stays the course, then I know it is with me for life, and RV is one
of those things that has stayed the course. I am aware that I am not
practicing as much as I should though, because that ebbs and flows too....
but I can feel the urge coming on again :-? )? ) Winter months are better for me
in that respect as there are less other things going on and fewer demands on
my time.

Happy birthday for tomorrow!! You are quite a few years younger than
me....cough! ;-? )....wish I was your age again. I didn't think a lot of my
childhood or early adulthood either. The best years of my life were between
30 and 40. It doesn't mean I am unhappy now as that is not true at all, just
a different life .......but I had a rootin' tootin', fast-paced, partying,
rip-roaring time in those 10 years when youth and energy were still prime,
when I was a single woman with loads of single friends LOL! I've slowed down
a bit now, but I am definitely still kicking :-? ).

I am looking forward to reading Joe McMoneagle's new book. My birthday is
next month (Halloween? ), and I've put it on my growing list of wanna-have
presents :-? ).

Yes, I would like to read your scientist friend's papers sometime.

Kind Regards,
Glyn

	
#659 
	From: "Mary Ashley" 
Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? 9:57 am
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	maryladyoflight



Hi PJ,

Happy birthday gal.. :? )? ) I trust your new start manifests.

I too go through my uncommunicative stages. List activity mirrors that.
Whereas I used to enjoy active participation on RV, Psi etc, these days I'm
content to just sit and be. For me, it's all been said anyway.. still, I
might buy Joe's book. :? ) It sound great.

Mary Ashley.

	
#660 

Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? ?:05 pm
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	a_healey56



Hi PJ,

I hope you're having a good birthday.  Maybe you could just ask Joe
something along the lines of:

Are cats inclined to be more psychic than other animals, or does he talk
about them a lot just because he happens to like cats?

What can we be learning about psi from observing cats, and how do we
communicate more effectively with them?

Or something like that...

Dave

	
#666 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 1?:38 am
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	docsavagebill



Hi David,

Pardon me for butting in. But I thought it interesting
that according to Vivian's recent experiences, Crows
are perhaps even more psychic than cats..and she is a
real cat lover. Maybe one could get some help from
animal psychics on ARV.. they could meow or peck or
something at the correct choice!

Bill

	
#674 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: Robs stat recheck..still looks impressive to me 	docsavagebill



Hello Jason,

I used the binomial theorem in my microsoft Excel
package. I was looking for the probability of getting
a STRING of 13 in a row correct not for getting 13/14.
Those are different cases. For 13 in a row the
probability for a chance occurance is 1.?/ 10,000
close to what I thought. For 13/14 (where the miss
could be anywhere in the string the chance is easier
but still less than 1/1000 .

For the case of 34/35. If we ask how often would a
streak of 34 IN A ROW occur by chance it is
  ~ 1 / ?0 billion . If we look for the chance of 34/35
where the miss could be anywhere in the string, then
the odds are ?0 times  easier only 1/ 1 billion! Still
no matter how you cut the cake..I see it as nothing
but ESP in the RAW RAW RAW RAW!

Best Regards,

Bill

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#661 

Date: Sat Sep 14, ?00? 1?:40 pm
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	nitahickok



Hi PJ

    I hope you have a Happy Birthday! Don't feel bad about turning 37. I
turned 50 at the start of this month. Everyone told me I look younger than
that but I just wonder if they're being nice.

    This year is a year of change for me according to numerology and I am
pretty sure they are right about that one.

    Nita

Self-Reflection is the school of Wisdom

	
#675 
	From: "Viv*" 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: Checking In. 	eclecticviv



Hi PJ:

Now that David's brought it up.  I'd like to hear
about Joe's cats, too.

Viv*

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Moderator's note: He agreed to take a couple more Q's about the cats. Not that
he's actually finished the Q's he's already got yet, but we're getting there. I
got approval to go forth with our next interview guest last night, and am
working on getting an 'informal intro' to the guest written up for the list so
you guys can decide what might be fun to ask about.  Should be ready in a couple
days I hope. -- PJ

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#655 

Date: Fri Sep 13, ?00? 10:37 pm
Subject: Checking In. 	dennanm



Hi you guys.

Maybe I should apologize for being noncommunicative lately, but since
pretty much everybody else is too (at least here? ), I guess it's no
big deal.  Other than a post on lucid dreams over on FV I've been
totally out of the loop lately.

In my last post here I talked about a change in perspective about RV
and my relationship to it.  I still am feeling the results of that. I
feel like I need to integrate for awhile. It is suddenly just so...
so NOT outside me anymore... I can't even seem to think about it
intellectually.

I'm not doing much of it either, but it doesn't feel like denial.  It
feels more like... when you go from really being crazy about
something and thinking about it all the time, to totally accepting it
and then it's just a part of you, something that is more integrated
with your ongoing relationship to life, instead of something separate
one obsesses on (or I normally do, anyway? ).

It'll pass I'm sure. Of course this might just mean that I am
braindead and may have nothing to do with RV. :-? )

As you may know, Joe McMoneagle's latest book is finally out, you can
read some info on it here:
http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/stargate/

Some of the Q&A linked from the above address actually came from RV
Oasis - it's not that I'm not showing it, it's that he still hasn't
given me the interview Q&A back with final approval, but today said
it was okay to add the Q's pertaining specifically to the book or his
writing into the Q&A on his own site for the book, and I was making
that page today.  So it is all working out oddly, partly because he
was in japan for some time, and then on a business trip, and he just
hasn't been available even for his own press for the new book let
alone to finish the interview for me.  I haven't pushed it to be
honest... I'm sure it will be complete fairly soon.  Sorry it ended
up being more delay than I planned.

I read Joe's new book above (The STARGATE Chronicles: Memoirs of a
Psychic Spy? ) again the other day, I hadn't seen the 'final' version
till now.  A bit more edited of course but in a good way; I really
enjoyed it and stayed up till midnight to finish it.  It's highly
personal, and narrative instead of businesslike, which is a change
for Joe and one I think most readers will appreciate.

Tomorrow is my birthday... I'll be 37.  Ye gods!  My odd state of
mind lately might be related to that, I'm often withdrawn on
birthdays. Just a little leftover from a suckey childhood where
trauma predictably occurred on a certain memorable date (or in most
cases, on every date, but is remembered more on certain dates just
due to those having had more importance to me when I was young? ).  I
think it's the Rosicrucians that divide the year into cycles, and the
birthday starts a new cycle.  Maybe so.  I'm always up for a new
start.

Well, I have run out of things to say.  I just don't feel like
talking lately, let alone about RV.  I hope nobody takes it
personally.  If I thought having a constant stream on the list was
important I would be posting regularly no matter what, but I am
willing to let it ebb and flow as it will.

Oh yeah.  I got a package from a scientist friend recently with a
whole bunch of papers specific to aspects of RV.  If I can wade
through them, maybe I will write a sort of paraphrased summary
(read: "in english"? ) on them, if anyone's interested.

Best regards,

PJ

	
#665 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Sun Sep 15, ?00? 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hello PJ,

I thought I'd report on Rob's remote healing class. Of
interest to ARVers is that Rob demonstrated his
ability to pick the color of shuffled playing cards by
dowsing techniques. He proceeded to reel off 13 in a
row before a miss( ~ 10,000 :1 by chance? )..then he did
another 13 in a row  another 10,000 to 1 !  ( to get
the combined chance multiply the two 1/10,000 X
1/10,000 = ~ 1 in "more than you want to ever count".
then he put the rest of the deck down and predicted
the next 8 in a row before turning them.. Now this
sounds like "card tricks" but this is no way a trick
this is actualy real ESP on the block for your
demonstration ladies and Gentlemen!

The  dowsing technique for this involved  first
training oneself to respond to red or black cards by
falling one way or the other. One turns over a card
..if its red fall left.. ( just get the feeling of
falling not actually fall? ).. and if it is black fall
right. Keep doing that for a few 100 cards and then
ask yourself what the next card is without looking!
and see which way you want to fall. Rob says he has
gotten ?4/35 one time..odds of that about 1/ 100
billion!!  Now I pressed Rob on this could he predict
the order BEFORE the cards were shuffled. He
maintained that his abilaity would probably be
degraded.. but admitted he never tried it. People I
bet he could get almost the same result!  I want to go
to a roulette wheel and test this.

The next lessons were on using remote influence to
alter the disease "aura" signature.caused by illness
or injurty...or to use it to remove curses ( which are
also just twisted auric conditions created by negative
thought forms? ). Basically to do this remotely, Rob
sets up an artifical  "energy " replia of the patient
in front of him usually scaled to a smaller
convienient size and feels the aura of the astral
double he created. And after finding diseased aura
areas..blasts them with energy to restore
normality..while maintaining a link between the
etheric double and the real patient.

I can't conclude without mentioning Robs OUTSTANDING
success with curing cancer this way.  He uses a
combination of nutritional supplements and energy
therapy. Many of his "nutritional supplements" methods
are the result of extensive research aided by dowsing
out which method would likely work, and the suplements
are many times  herbal equivalents  of the very
lastest medical breakthrus aimed at stimulating the
immune system to find and attack cancer cells , and
the energy to directly attack the cancer cells and
remove the cancers ability to mask or hide from the
killer t cells.( the immune cell that does thekilling? )
. No one uses the unique combination of methods he is
using. And he keeps hard statistics on all his
patients. He has accepted 56 cancer patients over the
last 5 years or more. These were almost all TERMINAL
patients given up on by the medical community and not
expected to live even a year. In fact many were given
a few weeks to live or less. And yet only 6 have died
under Robs treatment yeilding an 86% remission  rate.
And since adding the suplements to his energy therapy
the last year and 1/? he has lost ZERO PATIENTS. Now
no cancer clinic on earth that keeps real stats can
match even the lower figure...

Best Wishes,

Bill

	
#667 
	From: "Jason S. Shapiro" 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 6:36 am
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	fetik3



Bill:

Thank you for sharing this dowsing technique; but a
couple of notes:

On 15 Sep ?00? at ?1:31, Bill Pendragon wrote:

> He proceeded to reel off 13 in a
> row before a miss( ~ 10,000 :1 by chance? )..

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by each
of these trials, and the number of hits (please correct
me if I'm wrong? )... otherwise I think your odds are a bit
off.  In this first experiment, there were ? possibilities
(red, black? ) with 14 trials, and 13 correct matches.  That
produces odds of about 1 : 171, not 1 : 10,000.

> then he did
> another 13 in a row  another 10,000 to 1 !  ( to get
> the combined chance multiply the two 1/10,000 X
> 1/10,000 = ~ 1 in "more than you want to ever count".

Giving him the benefit of the doubt that his second
experiment stopped at 13 trials (rather than 14? ), you
get: ? possibilities (red, black? ), ?7 trials, ?6 correct
matches - odd of chance are about 1 : 7740.

> and see which way you want to fall. Rob says he has
> gotten ?4/35 one time..odds of that about 1/ 100
> billion!!

? possibilities (red, black? ); 35 trials, ?5 hits?  That would
be closer to 1 : 6 - not 1:100,000,000,000

-Jason

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Moderator's note: Well that sucked out some glory, lol.
Rob's a good guy.  Btw, McMoneagle talks briefly about
red/black cards in his new book. -- PJ

	
#668 

Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 10:00 am
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	dennanm



Hi Doc,

How about you tell the list something about Rob and his psi work?  It
may be mostly unknown to them.  (The list got this question this
morning and I'd suggested it be sent personally instead, which
probably wasn't appropriate, as it is after all on topic and a
logical followon to your post!? )  Rob was on my old VWR list way back
when, but has always been a pretty low profile kind of guy.

Regards,
PJ

	
#670 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 1:41 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hi Palyne,

And thanks to Jason for correcting my stats..except
for the last one..which was 34/35. NOT ?5/34. that
still needs computation.

Re Rob's psi background. It's almost to broad to scoop
into single post, unless PJ was to write it...:-? )

He's a natural psychic who was seeing auras and
getting premonitions, and readings almost as far back
as he can remember. He found out that others did not
see the same things at an early age and that talking
about them would get him in trouble..so kept it to
himself for quite awhile, and really did not
understand why or what he was perceiving. However, a
friendly entity finally explained the two worlds he
found himself in.  He has always maintained that
anyone can do as well if they learn whats involved as
most RV teachers would say. Personally, I think he is
a little optimistic about that.   But he has taught
alot of people  ( over a 1000? ) his methodologies for
readings ( similiar to  but simpler than  RV? ), dowsing
( he's past president of the Oregon Dowsing Assoc.? ),
precognition, healing, and even mediumship.

He teaches these are all quite related and all involve
three areas of learning: learnng to feel and see and
interpret the  "energy bodies " of people and things
..meaning the auric essence of people and things,  and
learnng to  manipulate and program   energy to do
healings.  And also, since the energy body can be
accessed anywhere in space or ti .

  Rob's greatest interest right now is in healing and
specifically cancer as I mentioned. But he tends to
teach all parts of the psi spectrum togeather.

Interestingly, Rob feels as does Paul that reading the
future, (precognition? ) even at it's best, is  less
accurate than present/past time remote viewing. I
guess leaving a space for Free Will. Nevertheless I
keep try ing to entice him into the casino where I can
quantitate the precog part of his ability more
accurately   by the stack of chips left after 50 bets
or so. ...G So far he hasn't given in to my need to
"scientifically " measure this.  Note that his card
predicting was done on a deck already shuffled..so is
not predicting the future ..just reading what is
there. I suspect however, he can do better than chance
at precognition also. He has predicted ( to me
personally? ) an earthquake that occured in Seattle two
days before it came,  and the general bear trend of
the stock market for the last two years. BTW he
predicts a return to a bull market from mid ?003 until
?007  ( when another crash occurs? ).

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#687 
	From: Karl Boyken  If it were a 50:50 chance on each card, the odds of 13 in a row would
> be 1 out of ?^^13 = 819?. If he then missed 1 and then got the next 5
> for 1 miss out of 19, then the odds would be 19 out of ?^^19 =
> 1:?7,594.  To do 13 in a row, twice in a row would be 1:(819?*819? )=
> 1:67,108,864.
>
> These are statistically significant and your assumption is incorrect.
> My source is my probabilities and statistics class ?0+ years ago.
> You can find the information in any such textbook that covers
> combinations and permutations.  Or you can try flipping cards yourself
> for the next 40 years to try to get two in a row of length 13 :? )
>
> Scott

--
Karl Boyken
kboyken...t
http://soli.inav.net/~kboyken/

We dance 'round in a ring and suppose,
while the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
    --Robert Frost

	
#669 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hi Jason,

I will check my stats with the binomial theory. I was
remembering that 10 in a row is 1/1000 so 13 in a row
is higher. but if you count the first miss it will be
lower again.. I may have overestimated.

HOWEVER, his best trial was 34/35 NOT ?5/34. That may
not be 1 in a hundred billion..   but it will be quite
high. Much higher than 1/10,000. I'll compute it.

The amazing thing was running off these runs one after
another.

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#67? 
	From: rv...m
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? ?:03 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	fetik3



On Mon, 16 Sep ?00?, Bill Pendragon wrote:

> HOWEVER, his best trial was 34/35 NOT ?5/34. That may
> not be 1 in a hundred billion..   but it will be quite
> high. Much higher than 1/10,000. I'll compute it.

It certainly is higher than 1:10,000 - it's about 1:194,885.

Not quite 1:100,000,000,000, but pretty impressive nonetheless (I'd be
smiling with those odds!? ) :? )

-Jason

	
#671 
	From: Karl Boyken  HOWEVER, his best trial was 34/35 NOT ?5/34. That may
> not be 1 in a hundred billion..   but it will be quite
> high. Much higher than 1/10,000. I'll compute it.
> The amazing thing was running off these runs one after
> another.

	
#673 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Mon Sep 16, ?00? 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hi Karl,

Well actually that's n ot a problem there were only
three runs A run of 13 before a miss, then a run of 13
before a misss, then a run of 8 without a miss and he
stopped. Also the run of 34 although picked out, my
goodness with odds over a billion to 1, even if he did
a 1000 such trials would still be way up there.

However, if you were the Great Randi you would say he
stacked the deck or I'm just lying. Neither of which
is true,  but we were not even testing that kind of
thing. So did not do the kind of iron clad controls to
control for actual fraud. So you will have to take our
words for it..:-? )

Best Regards,

Bill

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#677 
	From: Karl Boyken #679 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Sep 17, ?00? 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hi Karl,

Rob did not do this as an experiment , just a
demonstration..He was showing us how to do it and then
we all did it. INterestingly many of us ended up with
negative psi correlcations ( DISPLACEMENT?? ).

Rob did three demonstrations. He did not even count
the cards. I counted. I was only focused on the
STRINGS.. AS I know how to determine probability that
the string will occurr. And if I defined a string to
start with the first card after shuffling..then I had
a clear and hard way to compare. He did three
demonstrations. I counted how many until a miss for
each. The first had a string of 13 before a miss. He
actually did 5 or 6 more in that string after the
miss..but I did not count those. I was only focused on
the string leangth for this.

He then shuffled the cards and  did another string of
at least 13 .. it may have been 14 before a miss
..again he did about 5 more before shuffling again
which I ignored. I was only counting the string length
after shuffling.. finally he put the newly  shuffled
deck down and called out the order of the top  8 cards
  before turning  any cards over. They were ALL RIGHT.

A fantastic demonstration. I've never seen anything
like it..but when you hang with Rob that stuff happens
all the time, or even more far out stuff. I won't even
share. .For example.. the three ghosts that came bye
and stopped in.and we all got to feel one of their
energy bodies..sigh..never mind. ...G

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#681 
	From: "Viv*" 
Date: Tue Sep 17, ?00? 10:58 am
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	eclecticviv



Hi Karl:

It wasn't like a science lab experiment.  It's like if
you were visiting a psychic friend.  The friend had a
well shuffled deck of cards, that different people had
already played around with.  For fun, the psychic
friend was asked by another firend, to call, red or
black, before turning over the top card, to see how
far the friend would go before an error occurred

Three events, of calling the cards, in sequence,
occurred, at that time.
The 35 card event, was in reference to an occurance in
the past, that didn't happen at the same time as the
above mentioned 3 event occurance.

Viv*

A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon
you're talking about real money.
~Everett Dirksen~

	
#678 
	From: Karl Boyken #680 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Sep 17, ?00? 3:?0 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Hi Karl,

Comparing string length is  a perfectly valid way of
demonstrating statistical annomalies.  BTW the picking
of 34/35 was not done as part of this. I just asked
what his best ever was. But basically it again was at
the same probability as the three demos he did for us.

Best Regards,

Bill

	
#68? 
	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Wed Sep 18, ?00? 1:?6 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	maliolana



Aloha Vivi,

I think Karl was referring to the exagerated statistics...
Rob is so good that exagerated stats do him a disservice...
I doubt he inflates them himself

Plus with Bill being a genuine scientist ...his expressions of
stats are held to a higher level of scrutiny/expectation of validity/
soundness...than the rest of us peons...

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

	
#686 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Thu Sep 19, ?00? ?:17 pm
Subject: Re: Simple Probabilities 	docsavagebill



Dawna,

There were no exaggerated statistics.   I estimated
them first from my approximate knowledge of streak
stats. And when I checked them with the binomial
distribution program I was very close. It was Jason
who was off with his numbers I think becaue he did not
understand  of the situation. that these were long
streaks.

For streaks the calculations are easy. You don't even
need the binomial distribution. When guessing red or
black cards it's the same stats as flipping a coin.
You have a 50% chance of being right. Now the next
card also has a 50 % chance of being right. So the
chance of two in a row is .5 x.5 = .5 ^(squared? ).  The
chance of three in a row is .5 ^(cubed? ), the chance of
4 in a row is 0.5 ^( 4 th power? ), etc. Until you get
to the chance of 13 in a row =  0.5 ^(13? ) = 1.? in
10,000 trials a streak of 13 correct guesses would
occur by chance.

Since Rob had two such streaks the chances of two
streaks of 13 in a row is (1.?/10,000? ) X (1.?/ 10,000? )
= 1.4 in 100 million trials.

Now he also did a sequence of 8 in a row after that (
with no other trials? )  the chance of 8 in a row is 3.9

  in 1000 trials... so the chance of all three trials
in a row commming out the way they did with a streak
of 13, 13, and 8   is  (1.?/10000? ) x (1.?/10,000? ) x
(3.9/1000? ) =  5.6 /100 billion  or about 1 in ?0
billion  trials.

Heres a web page for simple coin flip streak
probabilities:

http://arnoldkling.com/stats/coins.html

The chance ( in his best separate trial ? ) of 34/35  is
about 1/ billion. In that last case I did not ask him
if it was a streak of 34 ..so I estimated for the
conservative condition that it was not a streak and
the miss occurred anywher, using the binomial
distribution, which is easier for more complicated
cases. If it was a streak..it would be ~ 1/ 100
billion.
No
>
And if you want the binomial distribution..just search
it on yahoo..or look up in microsoft office Excel help
although not all office packages have the stat tool
plug in with the binomial distribution program. If
anyone wants help in running the binomial distribution
program please let me know.

There is almost no way one can exaggerate Robs
perfomrance.His hits are over well over 90% correct in
all the demos he has done. Better than anyone I know
by far.

BTW I told a couple of collegues familiar with
statistics here  and they were happy with the
statistics , but  refused to believe he did it since
they don't believe in psi at all and consider such a
result impossible.

Best Regards,

Bill

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Moderator's note: While I understand the need for
explaining, you guys are SERIOUSLY OFF FOCUS here
for an "experiential-based" list. Hint.  PJ

	
#683 
	From: Karl Boyken #685 
	From: "scottrver" 
Date: Thu Sep 19, ?00? 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	scottrver



Hi Karl,

> Do you have a reference about the statistical
> significance of runs that I could look at?  It
> seems to me that runs can't be all that
> significant, in and of themselves.

If it were a 50:50 chance on each card, the odds of 13 in a row would
be 1 out of ?^^13 = 819?. If he then missed 1 and then got the next 5
for 1 miss out of 19, then the odds would be 19 out of ?^^19 =
1:?7,594.  To do 13 in a row, twice in a row would be 1:(819?*819? )=
1:67,108,864.

These are statistically significant and your assumption is incorrect.
My source is my probabilities and statistics class ?0+ years ago.
You can find the information in any such textbook that covers
combinations and permutations.  Or you can try flipping cards yourself
for the next 40 years to try to get two in a row of length 13 :? )

Scott

	
#684 
	From: "Mary Ashley" 
Date: Thu Sep 19, ?00? 9:57 am
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	maryladyoflight



Hi,

I have watched Rob do the cards. It is jaw dropping. It's one thing to read
about it, quite another to see it with one's own eyes. Whilst we are
getting involved in stats.. we are missing the magic. :? )

MaryA

	
#689 
	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Fri Sep ?0, ?00? 10:57 am
Subject: Re: Rob's Remote healing class 	docsavagebill



Agreed Mary,

Next time I'll bring a video camera...:-? )

Best Regards,

Bill

>--- Mary Ashley  wrote:
> I have watched Rob do the cards. It is jaw dropping.
> It's one thing to read
> about it, quite another to see it with one's own
> eyes. Whilst we are
> getting involved in stats.. we are missing the
> magic. :? )