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#?604 	From: aeonblueau8008...
Date: Mon Mar 10, ?003 6:?3 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg 	terri8008



Glad to read this PJ (aka nbr1 JoeM fan club? ), realizing that HRVG is on or
monitoring your list, I really quit caring, and when the IRVA came into
being, well.. everyone seem to magically become .. buddie$$ (you back me,
I'll back you? ) kinda sugar sweet actually, gave me cavities.
Everyone started to get along in a kinder gentler way- which was needed.. big
time.

I never did see "the" letter of verification or validation from JoeM, just a
blurb on the HRVG bulletin board, (but I miss much? ), and it all took off from
there (the story grew? ).
I was confused, but whats new, and who cares.

Nothing against Glenn or HRVG, except various highfalutin claims that were
never ever verified, and absolutely no one knew him.. ever.. except (all of a
sudden? ) Jon.. Joni.. jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she
stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames as I recall (It should
be in the archives as I do recall it and was rather shocked no one took off
with it? ), so I figured that was in reality the only and ever RV connection,
and not (yet? ) another top secret (buried? ) RV program (as was alluded? ) ...
simply he had trained under Dames in the early days, during Dames early
days/daze/craze, and didn't want to fess up... it was a simple as all that.
(I've ? cousins who have made a career of SRI and Livermore, both have been
exposed to RV? )

I've a friend who took Skips (TMI? ) first RV program at Monroe, and was rather
surprised to here that Skip said if you want 'structure' go to HRVG. (now I
was not there to hear this first hand? ) but my friend is a total novice to RV
and couldn't, wouldn't have fabricated, so.. I expect it's true. HRVG is
structure to the max, and I have seen very good  if not excellent posted
sessions at the site, but no more 'excellence' ( considering the (implied? )
volume of students? )  than any other structured 'method' I have to add.
But I've thought in the past (because of what I've seen and what it's capable
of producing IMO? ).. when I have the time and energy of learning the rigorous
HRVG methodology.

The recent thread on RV paranoia (I don't think the "Govt" monitors us etc,I
think IMO thats incredibly ridiculous? ) .. that (topic? ) comes around every 60
days, I consider it sensationalism, vie for attention, nothing more or less,
the 100th monkey I'll buy, a given aka evolution. I've often said the govt.
doesn't need to misinform (disinformation? ), the public creates it all by
themselves (gladly? ).

Anyway, glad to see you air-out, and I don't keep up with list mail as I once
did, don't really care to contribute much, but would prefer to be kept on
board.

all the best             ~T~

	#?610 	From: "smitty97006" 
Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 5:13 am
Subject: Re: Dames and hrvg 	smitty97006



> Terri wrote:
> Nothing against Glenn or HRVG, except various
> highfalutin claims that were
> never ever verified, and absolutely no one knew him..
> ever.. except (all of a
> sudden? ) Jon.. Joni.. jonena (whatever the/her name? ),
> from Dames clan, she
> stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames
> as I recall (It should
> be in the archives as I do recall it and was rather
> shocked no one took off
> with it? ), so I figured that was in reality the only
> and ever RV connection,
> and not (yet? ) another top secret (buried? ) RV program
> (as was alluded? ) ...
> simply he had trained under Dames in the early days,
> during Dames early
> days/daze/craze, and didn't want to fess up... it was
> a simple as all that.

I'm not sure I've completely grasped what you're saying here.  But I
am positive Jonina Dourif has never stated that Glen Wheaton trained
at any time under Ed Dames.

It has been said, I'm not completely clear by whom, that Glen
purchased one of the first training tapes put out by Psitech and
shortly thereafter some of the HRVG methods were tweaked in regards
to the production of multiple ideograms as was taught by Psitech on
their tape.

And I've read that Dick Algire did apply to get trained at Psitech
but was turned away and then went to Courtney Brown for training
prior to his hooking up with Glen Wheaton at The HRVG.

Perhaps one of those two instances are what you were thinking of.

Sincerely,
Gene Smith

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Moderator's note: Short of BEING her, it's hard to be positive about anything,
as her range of historical statements is pretty... er, far-ranging.  But if it's
in the StarGate archives as Terri thinks, I suppose it could be searched for. I
actually read through all of them one time, about 9 months ago, don't remember
seeing that, but then I don't remember all of them for sure! PJ

	#?6?? 	From: aeonblueau8008...
Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 11:16 am
Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg 	terri8008



hmmmm Gene and PJ, I did a bit of a search in Stargate, but nope I didn't
come across Joni's statement. Her letter came right before I was once again
booted off stargate by the gestapo (my pet name for Angela? ), I remember my
offending post (which contained a miss-spelled word? ) and the aprox year, not
the month.. but I don't even find that post, possibly removed from list
archives for puritanical reasons, quite possibly all the bickering was
removed, but I really didn't search that hard.. still I didn't really see
much of it. (ole Ed Morgan fared much better than I ever did, I used to get a
kick out of him? )
Glenn sorta surfaced a few times to test the waters as I saw it (early on, on
Stargate? ), then eventually Dick came on as the HRVG mouthpiece, which he does
a good job.
Eventually after the first IRVA conference, things seemed to really get
hunky-dory, everyone lightened up,aka HRVG was accepted, as should be. (as it
is just one man's tweaking of the system/RV, same as any other RV method? )
Best thing to do is drop her (dourif? )a note if anyone is that interested.
(I'm not shure but I think I still have the banned from psi tech t-shirt? ).
(I think I own a banned from everything t-shirt.. and I haven't even started
in on Moorehouse yet. . .  JUS KIDDING? )

Thinking back on it, didn't Dames have a residence in Hawaii with his wife,
that would have tied in with Glenn (sorry Glenn don't mean to chat as tho
your not here? ), as that's where he was located or stationed at the time, as I
recall quite and endless earful from Yaana, and that was way way back to very
early HRVG.
At that time there were just ? public, Dames, then Brown (they would have
been the only RV exposure or trainers 'out there' at that time frame? ), Ingo
on the side, a very quiet side, and the dispute was warring over could you
teach any RV/ERV via the net....  IMAGINE that! :? )
picky picky picky . . .  :? )? )? )? )? )? )? )? )? )

oy.. such tales.. but I was never there and didn't care, but heard a lot
second hand from folks I trusted and knew first hand, with no reason to
fabricate.
oh... ok, (as? ) I remember now. Dames was in Hawaii, and a friend of mine
visited and Dames gave over a box of tapes, early psi tech stuff, training..
Angela dearly wanted these dusty things (forever trying to figure this RV
thing out? ) but the tapes went to Paul.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. whatever.

all the best,  Terri~~*

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Moderator's note: Ed lists a PO box on Kihei for some of his marketing domains,
at least, those not owned by Brent Miller.  It's funny IMO to hear anybody, even
myself, talk about perceptions of "the old days".  Don't start on Yaana -- whom
I miss -- now that COULD bring up politics but no worse than some others I
imagine. ;-? ) Now me, I think I've only been kicked off one list -- well
actually, I had four posts deleted and THEN was kicked off, and all this in less
than 4 hours! -- that was my first re-venture out into RV land last July, when
Ralph Burton decided I was a flaming butthead. I was. LOL. PJ

	#?6?6 	From: Bill Pendragon 
Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 7:54 pm
Subject: Re: Re: List ousting 	docsavagebill



Hi PJ, Terri,

I think I own some kind of list record.
I was kicked off and asked back onto the same   list
3 times!  So I don't take these things personally.

Bill

	#?6?3 	From: Richard Krankoski 
Date: Tue Mar 11, ?003 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg 	Rich_crv



> Terri aeonblueau8008...rote:
> jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she
> stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames

I do not recall that scenario.  It sure would have been odd
that no one followed up on it. Also, Joni posts were pretty rare
and rather noticeable.   Anyone else recall this?

Rich

	#?648 	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Wed Mar 1?, ?003 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg 	maliolana



Aloha,

Glen does not deny his affiliation with Dames...He did train with
him...(Maui? )He even at one point going to go
in business with him...(some years ago? )...I read this at HRVG...

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

> Terri aeonblueau8008...rote:
> jonena (whatever the/her name? ), from Dames clan, she
> stated as much on Stargate- Glenn trained under Dames

	#?685 	From: Juha Koskelainen 
Date: Fri Mar 14, ?003 ?:56 am
Subject: Re: Re: Dames and hrvg 	velhox



> On Wed, 1? Mar ?003 Dawna wrote:
> Glen does not deny his affiliation with Dames...He did train with
> him...(Maui? )He even at one point going to go
> in business with him...(some years ago? )...I read this at HRVG...

Uh, no. Glenn did not train with Dames. Glenn is not 'affiliated' with
Dames. He did buy the first set of TRV tapes when they came out. And he
did spend some time at Psitech's online chat back when it was the (only?? )
venue for RV discussion.

- Lucid