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#?86 	From: joan003....net
Date: Tue Jul 30, ?00? ?:05 pm
Subject: Re: Re: dropping the pen/paper - question for Lyn 	joanie003



Dear Lyn,

Hi there!  Since Tunde brought up the subject of paper, I feel I need to
ask a question that's been on my mind...that I almost feel embarassed to
ask, but here goes.

I am concerned about paper conservation which is why I ask...  Is it okay
to write one's session on both sides of the sheets of paper..or is it
preferred to use a  new sheet for each new page?

Feeling totally doh...but I've never seen anyone use two sides of the paper
and have wondered why.

Thanks!!!
Joanie

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#?77 	From: Lyn Buchanan 
Date: Mon Jul ?9, ?00? ?:50 pm
Subject: Re: dropping the pen 	lynbuchanan?000



At 11:00 PM 7/?8/?00? +0000, Eva wrote:
>As far as aols themselves, when I trained with LYn,
>he seemed to teach more that the aols are simply declared, but not an
>official 'break' in the same way as other breaks.  Lyn also does not
>do the pencil setting down thing.

Right.  I was sitting with Ingo at the IRVA conference and we got to
talking about a comparison of CRV with church dogma, in that there are many
times when protocol (action for the purpose of achieving something? ) becomes
ritual (action for the purpose of doing the action? ).  I told him how people
are now teaching the laying down of the pencil, and that for many people,
it has become simply a ritual part of declaring the AOL, and nothing
more.  Ingo shook his head and said, "Don't they realize that the action
isn't important?  Taking a break in the mind is what it is all about.  If
they lay the pen down and don't mentally take a break, then it means nothing."

I watch people who write the AOL, then in one smooth and practiced move,
drop the pen, pick it up again immediately,  and continue on with the
AOL.  You can see like a neon sign that no break from the AOL has taken
place at all.

The weekly ritual of staying awake through a sermon and singing a hymn
doesn't do anything towards saving your soul, but churches around the world
are filled with people who believe that following that ritual will get you
to Heaven.  Dropping your pen and picking it up again doesn't do anything
at all for breaking your mind away from the AOL, but there are remote
viewers everywhere who believe that following that ritual will get them to
the target.

It won't.  In and of itself, it won't do any good at all.  God is not to be
found in any ritual, and neither is the target.

Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
37 Camino Ranchitos, Alamogordo, NM 88310
Ph: 505-437-8?85  Web site: http://www.crviewer.com

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	#?95 	From: "k9caninek9" 
Date: Tue Jul 30, ?00? 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: dropping the pen 	k9caninek9



What seems to work for me for AOLS is if I can teach my mind to just
not think about it after I write it.  I don't want to think it might
be right and I don't want to think it might be wrong.  It's sort of
like if you are cleaning out the closet and you grab something that
you don't know if you want to keep or not.  An easy solution is to
set the thing to the side and decide on it later.  Right after you
set it aside, then you turn your mind to the next thing in the closet
and forget about the set aside.  (and if course not thinking about
the setaside is definitely the hard part? )  Later when the closet has
been gone through, then you go back to the set asides and make a
final decision on them (ie the summary? ).

As for the pencil dropping thing, I have no strong opinions on it.  I
think the most impt thing is that the mind set is correct.  However,
I have seen the usefulness of ritual movements in other areas.  For
instance, just the ritual of prepping the work area and writing out
the session header is a ritual that can help jump start a good mental
state for doing the session.  Who is to say that the pencil dropping
ritual if consistantly combined with an attempt at the correct
mindset for an aol break might not serve to form a synergy that would
eventually help to enhance and strengthen the correct mindset.  But
of course, this would only work if both the mindset AND the physical
ritual were taught and practiced.  As for the fact that students will
tend to pencil drop in an automatic and unconscious way does not
preclude the action having an effect on either the consiousness or
the unconscious mind of the student.  Such subtle and unconscious
cues have been used in advertising and many other fields precisely
because they can have an effect on people even if no obvious
conscious meaning seems to be attached to them.

(Hi Lyn, I have been over stepping on toes on the HRVG board so I
figure now it's your turn!  ;-P
-E