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#3577
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 10:05 am
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	ozblueriver



> For example the other day on the CRV list I was mentioning how often
> when I type something I am affected by my 'gut instinct' on how other
> people will respond, sometimes getting impressions of certain people
> or specific comments from them verbally or in type, and it modifies
> what I write.

So if I'm following you right you are saying that while doing a session or
reading, I might pick up the clue from the future that says, "Bingo. You've got
it" so I choose to stick with that bit of info and add it into my session.
But that still doesn't explain how I got the information prior to having it
validated.

I think I just said something similar in my other post. I'm just typing and
thinking so forgive me if I'm being repetitive. ;? )

Liz

	
#3579
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 9:54 am
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	ozblueriver



> It IS feedback to be told that you did well, or you described
> 'the other ARV target' or whatever.  It is a retroactive
> "validation", basically.  So that would not be 'giving us the
> detail' but it might be supporting whatever detail we got.

G'day PJ,

but that doesn't explain where the details come from. A simple, "Yes you're
right." is a wee bit short on detail. It does validate the information but there
is no way you could derive any sort of answer from that. But the details could
quite easily have come from the other persons memory.

There are 3 short but interesting articles in the latest p.i.a.com magazine
about this (sort of anyway? ). I've only read the one about Pat Price. But it's
suggested that even though he didn't get feedback on some sessions he might have
tapped into other peoples future memory. I'm sure you'll like it Glyn. :? )
http://www.p-i-a.com/Magazine/Issue?1/Issue?1.html

cheers Liz

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Hi Liz.  You're right, it doesn't--but I never questioned where those details
from--they come from psi, lol!  But I think even 'generic' feedback can play a
part in viewer sessions.

I can't compare this to psychic work done in-person, as you mention. There is
way too much interpersonal communication going on below the conscious level,
that is NOT actually psi, for me to compare psychic work with remote viewing.
(Doesn't mean it's not useful, or that one doesn't have to be 'attuned' to pick
it up. But plenty of people can cold read brilliantly who can't RV their way out
of a wet paper bag, as the high school joke goes, which to me pretty well
demonstrates the effect of protocol.? )

Sometimes I think 'generic positive feedback' may simply strengthen the session.
By that I mean, the viewer by psi feels they're accurate and hence doing ok, and
may be more comfortable in the session as a result.  Or not!  Unfortunately
nothing in psi, even the things we DO know about from lab testing, can be
written in stone, since inconsistency seems to be the name of the game...

PJ

	
#3593
 	From: "Glyn" 
Date: Sun Dec ?1, ?003 10:51 am
Subject: RE: Feedback's effect on Session 	glynis5799



Hi Liz :-? ),

Maybe it goes something like this..  I'm using 'me' as an example here, but it
would apply to all of us..

...My  life-'time' is linear and limited by my short-lived physical body.
Duration is measured from past to future in my conscious awareness. Cause always
precedes effect in our experience.. because if not then living a day to day
existence in this physical world would be impossible.

However, what if there is more to reality than just this existence of ours? What
if there are  multiple 'me(s? )' in multiple 'universes' or 'timelines' or
whatever people choose to call them..and like this version of me typing this
email to you, each other 'me' is experiencing its own linear life-'time', and
totally unaware of the other 'me(s? )', on a conscious level anyway. Each 'me' may
differ from the others to a greater or lesser extent, some by only a
fraction.but maybe they would all be linked  at a subconscious level, and the
more adjacent  and similar to our reality then the stronger the link. Perhaps we
could obtain information from the minds/memories of these other 'selves
'..versions of ourselves who have already experienced the event we want
information about.

  If so, then this may mean that 'I' (all of us...or maybe there is only *one*? ),
stretch out in all 'directions' into infinity, stacked and multi-stacked;
parallel as well as serial (Dunne's theory was that time is serial? ). Adjacent
and overlapping dimensions/universes. Similar to what the quantum scientists now
suggest.

Maybe some of the other 'we(s? )' further away  probability-wise would not even be
human...but there lies another discussion entirely ;-? ).

	
#3584
 	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Fri Dec 19, ?003 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	maliolana



Aloha,
My gut feeling is that feedback is absolutely necessary to figure
out how/
if we are progressing and whether or not we are on target at all...

Perhaps not necessary for old timers/ops...but for most of us...It is
not only very important...its perhaps vital...otherwise we are back
to simply magic and someone else makes the rules...and we simply
believe...and view robotically...for what?...Or so it seems...

How can one do analysis/self evsluation...with out feedback?

'Clarity' of intention is everything...Intention is simply not enough...
Or are yall talking about something else?

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow."
-Aesop, Fables, trans. Jacobs

	
#3611
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Wed Dec ?4, ?003 5:?1 am
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	ozblueriver



>>> Each 'me' may
differ from the others to a greater or lesser extent, some by only a
fraction.but maybe they would all be linked  at a subconscious level, and the
more adjacent  and similar to our reality then the stronger the link. Perhaps we
could obtain information from the minds/memories of these other 'selves
'..versions of ourselves who have already experienced the event we want
information about.>>>

Hi Dawna,

I can't help myself. I have to add that maybe in this scenario one of my 'other
selves' who was in a slightly different experiment with you *did* get the
feeback.....by what ever means.......and because I'm linked to 'her' I picked up
the information too.
Or....
What if we are all linked just like the muliple selves and I just read your
mind.
Or...

Hey I forget what we were orininally talking about. LOL

Cheers
Liz

	
#3616
 	From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Wed Dec ?4, ?003 ?:15 pm
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	maliolana



Aloha Elizabeth,

> my 'other selves' who was in a slightly different experiment with
> you *did* get the feeback...

> Or...
> Hey I forget what we were orininally talking about. LOL

hahah...I know what you mean...hahah...I think...Oh yeah...and maybe Pat
Price had other 'selves' that did not die...perhaps he just died
comparatively young...compared to the "others"...and he got the info from
them...ummm...and then there is always Nostradamus...

Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna

"I awoke on Friday and because the universe is expanding it took me
longer than usual to find my robe."
-Woody Allen, in "Strung Out," the New Yorker, July ?8, ?003

	
#36?4
 	From: "Elizabeth Hambrook" 
Date: Thu Dec ?5, ?003 1?:4? am
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	ozblueriver



LOL Hi Glyn,

there are so many theories and possibilities. It would be bliss to a philosopher
I'm sure.
And yet I still believe it's simple. Most things in nature are.

I think because we experience time we are in the habit of thinking 'A' MUST
precede 'B'.  There must be cause 'then' effect. But that is just what life
looks like from the outside in the third dimension which is space/time.
The inner dimension/s don't have the same rules. 'B' doesn't have to come after
'A'.
'B' can come before 'A',
after 'Q',
at the exact same time as 'H',
or never.

The inner dimention/s seems to be an inbetween zone. A zone between no-time and
time.

Time still exists in that dimention because sentences and movement are still
linear to a certain degree, but time becomes very maleable. The end of a story
or travel experience can precede the begining. Any part in between can even be
missing with seeminly no effect on the final outcome. 'B' no longer has to
follow 'A'. Therefore it is possible to RV what happens next week before next
week happens. ( I M humble O? )

Happy Chrismas cheers
Liz

	
#36?7
 	From: "Linda & John Garvey" 
Date: Sun Dec ?8, ?003 3:?3 pm
Subject: Re: Feedback's effect on Session 	linda_g7us



Hi All --

For me, any psi activities seem to be holistic somehow, rather than linear,
and any attempted linear thinking about it I try, seems get in the way --
though reading about psi activities (such as all the marvelous posts about
Glyn's experiments? ) almost always enhances my abilities, finetuning them.
So go figure that out; I sure can't LOL. ;? )

I still love Einstein's quote:  "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the
rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society where we
honor the servant and forget about the gift."  Fortunately, that's not the
case on most of the psi lists I'm on, and certainly not on this list, so
that's good!

Linda G
(who obviously has trouble putting thoughts about this kind of thing into
words, and so doesn't post very much. ;? )

"The distinction between past, present and future
is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one."
-- Albert Einstein --