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#2608
From: "pjgaenir"
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:06 am
Subject: List Biz: Topics pjgaenir
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It occurred to me to mention, to new members who might not realize
this, that the pjrv list focus as I set it originally was
experiential RV and anything remotely related for the individual. It
did not include politics, media, current events, unless they tied
into one's RV or 'development' experience.
At some point in, members tired of having innocent posts bounced for
topical focus suggested that I let people talk about whatever they
wanted, with the only caveat being that it related to RV in some
manner. That opened things up to politics, as one example.
So, I agreed, and the focus has included such ever since. This
turned out to be a good thing, I decided, since in some cases there
is a genuinely bizarre lack of any public response whatever in major
forums you'd expect -- like StarGate -- which I think maybe has
finally been fully trained into not debating anything whatever,
because even when major field stuff occurs, you hear close to not one
word about it there, even when I post it to see what sets off!
Other places you can post on politics, but it might get you banned or
your post deleted. Short of 'flaming' I don't moderate for content
beyond the RV-related focus, so people can post what they want here,
even on politics, the only misery being that others here, including
me, can respond how they want, too!
Anyway, I thought I would mention this, for new members, who might be
surprised that the post is not just hands-on stuff like most of my
previous lists (VWR and PSI) and most of my website (FIREDOCS). We
are open to 'RV politics' hashing things out because to be honest,
not much of any other place totally is.
Regards,
PJ
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#2612
From: "intuitwolf"
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:31 am
Subject: Re: List Biz: Topics intuitwolf
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> PJ wrote:
> So, I agreed, and the focus has included such ever since. This
> turned out to be a good thing, I decided, since in some cases there
> is a genuinely bizarre lack of any public response whatever in major
> forums you'd expect -- like StarGate -- which I think maybe has
> finally been fully trained into not debating anything whatever,
> because even when major field stuff occurs, you hear close to not
> one word about it there, even when I post it to see what sets off!
What a comment - gonna make sure I respond, huh? In case you forgot -
and I don't see how that is possible since you and Don and Glenn had a
party debate not too long ago - Stargate is unmoderated. As soon as
people were required to be responsible for their own mouths (i.e., no
moderator) there was a remarkable decrease in the impetus to argue.
The only timid person on the list is probably me. I've enjoyed
reading all the various opinions on this list. Is there a need to
discuss it on three lists, four lists, when it's all mostly the same
people talking? I haven't had the time to initiate a discussion on
Stargate or IRVA. I've been really busy and the current topic re: Pru
is a time eater. What other 'major field stuff' are you referring to?
I'm just happy to see that most of the paranoia I thought the essay
might engender has been set aside for a more balanced reaction.
Shelia
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Moderator's note: I might be wrong about anybody feeling the slightest bit
inhibited, certainly. (Unmoderation is great but if people think they'll be
unsubscribed for debating, that probably gets less brave posters than a
moderated list would.) SG suffers something other lists doesn't -- it's totally
public. So the nuts private lists would toss off or not let in at all live
there and the list owner policy has to be pretty tough to keep a few of them
from taking over the list. It's no ill reflection on you, though I see in
retrospect you kinda took it that way, sorry about that.
But my point I was making has been easily proven for me by this time -- I even
brought up Prudence's essay there to see if it would start conversation, and
nothing! Over 400 members all allegedly interested in RV (it isn't your sole
job to start discussion there), there ought to be at least three people who can
carry forth on any given subject. Plenty of PEM about the topic, and talk here
of course. But the only direct conversation is here. Subtracting those talking
here that leaves 380-400 people on SG who are NOT, for whatever reason, moved to
say a word about much. Lots of previously talkative people are not on my list
-- CRV and HRVG people included -- who are on the SG list.
Maybe they are just lazy and want other people to entertain them. PJ
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#2621
From: "intuitwolf"
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: List Biz: Topics intuitwolf
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> Moderator's note: I might be wrong about anybody feeling the
> slightest bit inhibited, certainly. (Unmoderation is great but if
> people think they'll be unsubscribed for debating, that probably
> gets less brave posters than a moderated list would.)
None of the three or four people who were moderated or the one
unsubbed and permanently banned could remotely be considered as
'debating'. In fact three of these folks as a trio nearly shut down
all discussion at Stargate. The list is slowly recovering now they are
gone. Yeah, I'm a real bear that's just scared everyone into
non-discussion. :-)
> SG suffers something other lists doesn't -- it's totally public. So
> the nuts private lists would toss off or not let in at all live
> there and the list owner policy has to be pretty tough to keep a few
> of them from taking over the list.
Actually I've implemented a new policy that makes it just a tad less
public - new members must send a real name and email address prior to
being allowed on the list and all new members are moderated. Old
members who are not responding to private inquiry and that I don't
recognize are being removed from the list. I can tell from looking at
the member list that a lot of the 'numbers' for membership are
inflated - as some people have multiple email addresses. But your
point is well taken - it's a list that most members do not participate
on. But that has always been true. There have rarely been more than a
few dozen people who actively participated.
> It's no ill reflection on you,
> though I see in retrospect you kinda took it that way, sorry about
> that.
Synchronistically, your comment appeared after someone on another list
made a comment that there was such heavy moderation on Stargate (and
other lists) that debate was discouraged. I had to tell them the list
had not been moderated for over four months and that they should feel
free to discuss anything they wanted to discuss.
And I see today - on Stargate - Steve is claiming to have had 50% of
his messages rejected -- which just isn't true. So far I can't find
even one that was rejected. So, yeah I suppose I'm being just a tad
'sensitive'. Anyone who wants to bust loose 'publicly' on Stargate
please feel free to do so. PJ, who is the most outspoken person on the
list has not been unsubbed -- what better proof does anyone need that
I don't unsub folks for debating?
Shelia
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Moderator's note: LOL. Yeah, but I debate - that's conversation. Some people
hunt others down, file political grievances, attempt to have them arrested,
spray paint their house with obscenities, and other charming stalking behaviors.
I just argue now and then. I'm pretty harmless. ;-) PJ
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#2631
From: "intuitwolf"
Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: List Biz: Topics intuitwolf
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> Moderator's note: LOL. Yeah, but I debate - that's conversation. Some
> people hunt others down, file political grievances, attempt to have
> them arrested, spray paint their house with obscenities, and other
> charming stalking behaviors. I just argue now and then. I'm pretty
> harmless. ;-) PJ
LOL! if all that's true, yeah you're a sugar pill. (interpreted: that
means sometimes hard for some folks to swallow but easily digested and
harmless; and often as not having a placebo effect that actually
creates a positive, healing environment.) But I thought we were only
talking about debating.
Have we now moved into assigning responsibility to moderators/list
owners for the off-list behavior of people? And just for the sake of
some defense here -- Stargate was inherited -- along with all of it's
members and it's problems. It is now my list and I have taken action
to make it a safer venue. More than that I cannot do.
Shelia
pjrv : Messages : 2634-2748 of 4038
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2006/07/01 00:13:46
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#2634
From: "Linda & John Garvey"
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:42 am
Subject: Re: Re: List Biz: Topics linda_g7us
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>. . . - it's a list that most members do not participate
>on. But that has always been true. There have rarely been more than a
>few dozen people who actively participated.
Doesn't this seem to be true of most lists? It has been true of all of the
lists I have been on, and am still on -- seems to be the way, no matter what
the topic or focus of the list (metaphysics, spirituality, animals, etc.).
Some list owners and members are comfortable with this, see it as a natural
phenomenon, while others aren't. I guess it depends on the people involved?
Linda G
"The distinction between past, present and future
is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one."
-- Albert Einstein --
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Moderator's note: It is true on all lists/boards/etc., at least, all the ones I
have run since 1993 and that's more than I can count, in at least 20 different
subjects, from business to science to metaphysics to ufology.
Some of it is 'cyclical' with people dependent on time. Some of it is interest,
or not feeling qualified, or worse, about 'deigning' to bother spending personal
time talking with others, when they really only want to be on a list to see what
others say.
But much of it is no different than life itself I suppose. There is always the
95% that watch the world go by to some degree. As the saying goes, the world is
divided into three categories: Those who are movable, those who are immovable,
and those who move. Most people are audience.
Which is a good time here to remind everyone that around end of March I do
another round of unsubscribes for anybody who hasn't posted in, well let's say
80 days. If one can go around the world in 80 days they can surely post an
email in that time, lol. ;-) The smaller the group, the more % of it that
participates, the better in my opinion. -- PJ
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#2645
From: aeonblueau8008...
Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: List Biz: Topics terri8008
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With regard to RV, PJ, so so so much of it is rehash. (The best list was your
original list scripted and controlled as it was, but it was fresh and IMO
still hasn't lost the freshness, frankness, all that is thanks to you).
For the lot of us who have been around for a while.. it's nothing more than
sometime taking a gander at lists, kinda keeping up. Every topic has been
thoroughly explored and debated, turned inside out, etc., reinvented etc.
You'll notice an increase in postings and 'sincere' interest by "the experts"
when the yearly conference comes around.. IMO even that's petering out.
It gets old, most of us have settled in to our ingrained RV routines.
I was thinking about that the other day, the way I was originally taught
(when the student is ready the teacher will appear)(out of the blue I might
add) is my best way, the way I keep going back to for accuracy, or when it's
important, not screwing around.
I enjoy a list that has list targets, groups, that's fun comparing sessions.
That's about my only RV fun, friendly competition
(as I've said before I have a horrid problem with door-kanobbing.. I always
envy those that get much more in depth all over the place detail, first shot
off )
Most of what I do seriously anymore is payperview, that seems to have
snowballed by it's self, it's all foreigners, non US BTW .... there are a lot
of very gracious folks out there. That basically all started via Robert Bruce
(Astral Dynamics) Australia, what RB couldn't work he sent my way... or
Robert trusted me and what I could produce.
I have things to say but all of me seems quite old school, and a lot of that
is black and white.
Seems to me now, most everything is OK in session, or there is rhyme and
reason (excuse) for everything.
IMO that's not what RV was for or is, or how it worked.
I'm not up for endless philosophical debate unless it over a good curry an a
cask of red.
So in (personally) coming full circle..
much like QM, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
An my eye is full :)
"most people are an audience" (PJ)
yeah could be ... but, no I'm just fried on it.
I have my addictions too.. Metaphysical addictions.
crystals, reiki, OOBE, Monroe programs, ERV, lucid dreamings.
I think you work thru them, maybe it's an integration of sorts, integration
vs getting fried... or is it frustration
all the best ~T~
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#2748
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...
Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Re: List Biz: Topics maliolana
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Aloha PJ,
Well I can't speak for anyone else...but this is a rather large
topic...and I
need time to ruminate on it...You are right...I am far to lazy at this
time to
do the research...
One thought that comes to mind... is that all the longest term RVers now
have a ready made excuse... when the newbees begin to ask to become privy
to their past sessions... done by their teachers...(other than just its
top secret) to analyze...They can say it is just p0licy to not make them
public...
Seems like a similiar principle to just opening a page in the bible or
throwing the Tarot or runes...or I Ching...If a session can be retasked
after the fact...then...I don't know what to think......I am a bit
con-
fused actually...ummm
ps...I am way behind on my email ...so I will think about this for a
while longer...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
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