pjrv : Messages : 2002-2007 of 4038
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#2002
From: Timelord2029...
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 4:43 am
Subject: Re:LONG sessions psitrooper24
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> glyn.flyers writes:
> I know that some of the apparent matches in some of my past
> sessions have been because of going on too long and trying to 'force'
> things, and ending up with a huge list.......which is why I am now so hard
> on myself when judging my progress.
Hi Glyn,
Yeah just had a word with a friend of mine about LONG sessions.
One is terrified of doing 18- 25 page long sessions because you could
easily be 100% wrong and 50% so-so or maybe 80% of consistent descriptors.
Most people might find there in the 50% range as the longer your desciptors
the more likely some of it will hit the target.(Skeptics will have a field
day with that)
Iam aiming for the 80% consistency of descriptors and the number one
rule thats been drilled into me is to start with low gesalts data and
gradualy bring the the HIGH stuff as you go along using ALL SCANS
from the very beginning of the session. By the time you get to
the MATRIX stages of TDS protocols you will begin to see a clear picture
of what your dealing with. Iam also encouraged to STOP naming
the target during the early part of the session at all costs.
Iam hoping to get my sessions up to the full 18-22 stage later this year
but mastering the basics is still my immediate aim.
So long sessions can be good as long as you keep things low to
start off with. Maybe Eva would like to comment more.
Peace,
Tunde
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#2007
From: "PJ Gaenir "
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 12:44 pm
Subject: Re:LONG sessions dennanm
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Hi Tunde,
> You wrote: One is terrified of doing 18- 25 page long sessions
> because you could easily be 100% wrong and 50% so-so or maybe
> 80% of consistent descriptors. Most people might find there in
> the 50% range as the longer your desciptors the more likely
> some of it will hit the target.
If someone is still on 'descriptor' level data at page 18 there is a
problem -- the viewer is not in close enough target contact. The
process of the RV session itself ought to bring closer contact; prior
to that point they ought to be getting concept and context and higher
level data. Although, this is a skill/practice issue too, that
develops more and more.
Sure, you list enough descriptors you'd be right about anything
somewhere. But even if you look at a picture plainly and list
descriptors, there's only so many you're likely to come up with
before you feel forced to begin adding in some concepts.
I feel one reason McMoneagle and others suggest that practice
sessions until more intermediate levels be fairly brief (about 10-15
minutes) is because initially many viewers simply don't have the
skill to very regularly make the deeper conceptual/ contextual target
contact, and pushing a session mostly just lets them wander all over
a map of endless descriptives. As they begin getting more of that
kind of data near the end of that time, sessions can be extended to
allow for it.
But if a person is at the skill level to be getting mostly just
descriptives, pushing a session to 25 pages is probably not
constructive to the overall % of accurate data, let alone the
viewer's mental health!
PJ
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#2012
From: Timelord2029...
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 9:19 am
Subject: Re: Re:LONG sessions psitrooper24
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> PJ wrote
> If someone is still on 'descriptor' level data
> at page 18 there is a problem
Oops you are correct pj what i ment to say was 80% good target contact.
Yes starting with low level descriptors and building up with more accurate
data in the later stages such as the matrix and beyond.
Basically just a natural progression from Low to High Level data as you go
along.
which is alot harder than i thought it was but ive been told it will lead
to more data being revealed as the breakdown higher concepts is challenged
or queried such as crv type AOLs or similar deductions made during the
session.
Ive seen good examples of long sessions that at first can look quite
daunting but towards the end especially during the MATRIX ive seen
some amazing data come to life .
Ive also seen some really really short CRV sessions lately that
makes me wonder why there dosent seem to be much progresion
after a certain stage in CRV. Sure they might name/AOL the target as being a
House but why not go further ? Probe why you feel its a house,
whats so special about the house? Did you detect lifeforms initially?
what is the connection/association between the lifeforms and the house?
before you know it your 25 pages are done :-)
and you got more data out of that one session than you bargained for.
Peace,
Tunde
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