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#2035
From: "Eva "
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 6:29 pm
Subject: On time and consciousness k9caninek9
OK, we were discussing this a bit a while back. HOpefully someone
hasn't already said this too! I was thinking about that post in
which someone theorized something like that our perception of the
passage of time might be influenced by how many novel experiences we
have during that time. I then posted something about how maybe that
explains why to children, time passes more slowly.
WHich got me to thinking, maybe it's not just novel experience but
the actual amount of processing that goes on in that time period.
THis is almost but not precisely the same idea. For instance, during
novel experiences, we learn and process more, so time seems to often
go slowly (unless you are having fun when you should be doing work
which for some reason reverses everything!). Also, during a lot of
our sleep time, we aren't conscious processing much so that time goes
much faster than our awake time. Of course, the unconscious
processing and perception of time may be diff though. So say you
consciously remember a dream. SOmetimes in the dream, it seems like
a long time has passed, but in the waking world, only a few minutes
have passed. That would be because you have consciously done a lot
of processing/thought during that small time, and so the time seems
long. But others are in normal waking state with less conscious
processing going on and so it only consciously seems like a few
minutes to them.
Now lets switch to the unconscious mind. Perhaps as we sleep, which
consciously doesn't seem that long although logically we know that it
is 8 hours or so, the unconscious mind is doing a lot of processing
(only a little of which we remember) and to the unconscious mind, the
night is a very long time. But consciously we are not very aware of
it.
Anyway, that's my latest theory. It's really just a slight
reorganization of existing theories though. But in my mind, it helps
explain how time is an illusion (assuming one holds to that theory in
the first place). Time would be an illusion of how much mental
processing you have done so far in any particular conscious state
that you happen to be in. If you have done a lot, that it seems like
a long time. Perhaps here on Earth we are kind of held to a certain
amount of processing and a certain mental state via the limits of our
human bodies. And so our concepts of time are somewhat more
homogenous then they might otherwise be, but still there is a lot of
variation.
That might even explain why time seems to fly when were are doing
certain types of artistic endeavors or deep thought endeavors. It
seems counterintuitive on the face of it, but if at times we go into
a type of altered state or trancelike state, like when doing art,
then to the more conscious state, the amount of processing for it
might seem small. It would be like a flat rock skipping on the
water, only hitting a really conscious totally waking state thought
once in a while. And so in our normal walking down the street waking
state, you would feel like little time had passed and might be
surprised by what time it was. But perhaps in another state of
consciousness, it was like you finally got something done for a
change and the rest of the time you are sleeping.
So when we rv, future and past targets do not generally feel all that
different or harder in the session. In the session, everything in
the session feels like 'now' because there has been very little
conscious processing between the moment when you were sitting down to
do the session and the moment you started the session.
Clocks of course always do the exact same amount of processing
because that is how they are designed and so the amount of time they
percieve and tell us is more constant. Forgive me if this theorizing
seems rather chaotic. I only just started thinking much about it
today.
-E
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#2043
From: "Glyn"
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 5:27 pm
Subject: RE: On time and consciousness gebega
Hi Eva,
-----Original Message-----
From: Eva [mailto:k9caninek9...om]
I'm not sure if I've got it straight, so please correct me if I haven't.
Are you saying that while we are RVing (altered state) that our conscious
mind is only aware of the short time of the session (borne out by our way of
measuring time), but that small time for the conscious mind could be a very
long time for the sub........long enough for it to 'do the necessary'
(whatever that may be) to get thet target info?
I have heard that in connection with sleep and dreams, and I have had very
very long dreams in the few minutes between the alarm clock going off and my
husband telling me I should get up, but I haven't heard it in connection
with 'psi-perception'.
Maybe the retrieval of information via 'psi' isn't instantaneous after
all, maybe it just *appears* to be. Good one Eva, and may be some original
thinking.. definitely something to ponder on.
Kind regards,
Glyn
So when we rv, future and past targets do not generally feel all that
different or harder in the session. In the session, everything in
the session feels like 'now' because there has been very little
conscious processing between the moment when you were sitting down to
do the session and the moment you started the session.
Clocks of course always do the exact same amount of processing
because that is how they are designed and so the amount of time they
percieve and tell us is more constant. Forgive me if this theorizing
seems rather chaotic. I only just started thinking much about it
today.
-E
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#2059
From: "Eva "
Date: Mon Jan 20, 2003 12:44 am
Subject: Re: On time and consciousness k9caninek9
> I'm not sure if I've got it straight, so please correct me if I
haven't.
> Are you saying that while we are RVing (altered state) that our
conscious
> mind is only aware of the short time of the session (borne out by
our way of
> measuring time), but that small time for the conscious mind could
be a very
> long time for the sub........long enough for it to 'do the
necessary'
> (whatever that may be) to get thet target info?
Actually, I didn't have that particular thing in mind, but that fits
in the theory too. The basic idea was if time is an illusion, then
why do we experience time? Maybe the experience is simply
representative to how much processing we have accomplished.
>
> I have heard that in connection with sleep and dreams, and I have
had very
> very long dreams in the few minutes between the alarm clock going
off and my
> husband telling me I should get up, but I haven't heard it in
connection
> with 'psi-perception'.
I wasn't really trying to connect it to psi perception, although I
guess it is anyway.
>
> Maybe the retrieval of information via 'psi' isn't instantaneous
after
> all, maybe it just *appears* to be.
Good point. Actually, I wasn't really thinking about that, LOL!
Yeah, the subconscious may slave away at the tasks more than we
think. All we know is that the info 'seems' to be available right
away.
-E
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#2064
From: "intuitwolf "
Date: Tue Jan 21, 2003 12:51 am
Subject: Re: On time and consciousness intuitwolf
Here's a theory for consideration: information is being perceived,
sorted, categorized, and stored by the subconscious on an ongoing
basis - everything - from that bird that flew by my window but was
only registered by peripheral vision to the sound of a train in the
distance that didn't even register with my conscious mind. This all
occurs in a timeless sphere where what we 'will know' in the future is
undifferentiated from what we already have experienced as from the
past. Since the majority of what we have already experienced in the
past never rose to the level of conscious awareness to begin with,
then it is in some respects as 'distant' as what lies in the 'future'.
If a certain piece of information seems important to everyday
functioning, the subconscious shifts it up to the conscious level.
Otherwise, it will store it away for future use.
Now, when the conscious mind says, 'hey, I need this piece of
information' - the sub is going to look within our own little data
base of personal associations in order to serve up the information in
a shape and color we will understand. Obviously, we still often manage
to misapprehend what we given :-)
But, you're right that sub is working hard all the time -- or all the
no-time?
Shelia
--- In pjrv...oups.com, "Eva
wrote:
> Yeah, the subconscious may slave away at the tasks more than we
> think. All we know is that the info 'seems' to be available right
> away.
> -E
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