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#3382
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups kboyken
Ah, coding by hand! Brings a tear to my eye. Now, if you tell me you use a
text-based editor like vi and not some gui-fied fluffed-up obscenely obese
monstrosity like Word, I'll probably be divorcing my wife and asking you to
marry me.
Karl
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Word!?! What kind of bongobrain would use Word to code in?? Don't scare me
like that. I use plain ol' TextPad.
You're safe though. I am already married, though my husband lives in Canada (far
away as he could get on one plane ticket). He visits a few times a year for a
couple weeks to see the kid (I agree to forego child support in exchange for
this, so she'll have a dad), and we get along fine but have a refresher course
in why we are living half a continent away from each other and are still darn
glad about it. ;-)
We still work together somewhat, as I've hired him as a contractor on several
projects, probably as I really enjoy the sheer misery his passive/aggressive
behavior creates in my life or something like that, sigh. Or maybe I really
enjoy still being able to nag him, LOL.
Tidbit: programming is apparently a subversively useful "language" to learn if
you want to betray your government by escaping their oppression. The gov't of
Czechoslovakia put him through an accelerated plan to learn programming as they
desperately needed programmers (Cobol and C and several other things -- back in
the punch card days!). He learned everything he could, knowing a computer
language could get him work in any country.
Then he promptly used his black market jewelry & art money (he's an artist) to
buy some cool mostly forbidden (black market) books on ufology and psi, and
traded these to an interested border guard for a moment looking aside so he
could escape. Backpacked across Europe with his first wife and after 6 months at
an italian refuge camp, settled in Canada.
The gov't was really pissed that after all their effort he escaped just a few
months later. They'd been watching him, as his sister escaped 5 years previous.
He's an identical twin, and they'd been in college when his dad, an intelligence
officer in the Czech branch of the soviet Army, was tossed out for 'not being a
good enough communist'. So they were both thrown out of college together, and
became the untouchables for awhile and he decided he had to leave, lucky for him
got that training opp!
It's so cool that the wall fell and that part of the world is finally free. I
actually sat on the floor and cried when all that was on the news.
Anyway I'm not a 'real' programmer, just a project manager forced into a coding
role as my primary client hasn't the money for me to delegate myself out of it,
and I use ColdFusion, which most trained monkeys with a reference manual can use
(that's me!). So don't take me too seriously. ;-)
I'm getting better at it though. I've programmed a pretty complex educational
website used by colleges around the country (for statistics). I'm such a fairy
sometimes though, I look at my OWN code in pages and think, "Wow. That looks
really hard. I don't think I could ever really understand that." LOL. If I
did it more than six months ago and it's remotely complex, I have to learn it
all over again. ;-) (Alzheimer's advantage: new friends every day!) PJ
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#3393
From: "Glyn"
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2003 5:58 am
Subject: RE: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups gebega
Hi PJ,
I use Access all the time at work, and now and again a bit (I little bit) of
VBA coding. I once found an old report on our server and thought "Wow! wish
I could do that"....only to find out it was one of mine :-). Yup...new
friends every day. LOL!
Incidentally, how many RVers out there do computer-based stuff as a living?
Interesting.
Glyn
You said:
> I'm getting better at it though. I've programmed a pretty
> complex educational website used by colleges around the country
> (for statistics). I'm such a fairy sometimes though, I look at
> my OWN code in pages and think, "Wow. That looks really hard.
> I don't think I could ever really understand that." LOL. If I
> did it more than six months ago and it's remotely complex, I
> have to learn it all over again. ;-) (Alzheimer's advantage: new
> friends every day!) PJ
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#3428
From: "etuthill_engineer"
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups etuthill_eng...
Hey Glyn/all
> Incidentally, how many RVers out there do
> computer-based stuff as a living?
> Interesting.
Thats an interesting question. It seems, from my point of
view, that most of the RVers I know have at least one foot in the
techie pool... I met my mentor as he was working for a project I was
managing, which was testing high speed backbone routers and
switches. He introduced me to all that is RV. Very dry high tech
stuff, not as fun as the web design which has a much more creative
element to it, IMO. And yup, we both were unemployed post-layoff as
well, myself longer than him (6 months). Heh heh, I took advantage
of my layoff by hitting TMI gateway cds almost every day, and
learning as much rv protocol as I could.
Now I am working again at more of an html/app based company, and
my officemate, the guy who pushed for me to get hired, has a very
extensive history in the spiritual arts. That is to say, meditation,
astral projection and the like. He mentioned something about it one
day, and I asked him if he knew anything about RV. He hadnt heard of
it, but when I explained it (loosely) he said, "Oh! You mean
projecting your awareness! Yeah, my Dad taught me how to do that."
Wow. Here I am just getting into this stuff, heh heh. Gotta start
somewhere.
On an off topic, maybe, I mentioned to PJ the other day, I just
don't believe in things happening "by chance" anymore. The odds just
don't suit my wierd life and frequent coincedences. Maybe so many
RVers are drawn to similar hobbies so as to facilitate thier
meeting? Theres an odd theory for the day...
Eric
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#3400
From: "Nita Hickok"
Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups nitahickok
Hello PJ
I have been studying Macromedia Dreamweaver MX. I had a copy sent
to me for my website. It has cold fusion included but unfortunately I
am not up to the trained monkey level yet. I will have to get a
reference book.
You are doing good.
Nita
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Thanks Nita. I used to use DW many eons ago when I was in a corp group environ.
I vastly prefer handcoding now though. Learning to push buttons melts my memory
when I later need the real code, and always arranges the code so when I look at
the file to fix something it's like 2 freakin miles long, what a pain! PJ
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#3404
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2003 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups kboyken
We don't do any dynamic web stuff in my shop. Well, I guess we are
using PHP now for webmail, but that's a turnkey package. I've written
maybe two CGI Perl scripts in my life, but we turned them off long ago.
I do write my HTML by hand, in vi. I'm a troglodyte.
I used to work with a woman whose husband lived on one of the coasts.
They'd get together once a year. The wife of the former department
chair where I work lives about six hours north of here. What's that
song, "I need a lover who won't drive me crazy, someone who knows the
meaning of, 'Hey, hit the highway.'"
With the job market here being the way it is, and the terrorism
paranoia, I don't know whether your husband would have as easy a time of
it today. A friend of mine, a former co-worker sysadmin, is on
unemployment now. I never thought I'd see the day where competent,
experienced sysadmins were drawing unemployment.
Karl
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Yeah, I know. When I began my current job, I'd intended to HIRE a CF programmer,
and remain project manager (mgmt is my primary trade, in a variety of formats).
I couldn't find anyone to help me, for lots of pay doing p/t work from their own
home, it was ridiculous. This was end of '99 early '00. So I had to teach
myself, geez, I am NOT a programmer/techie personality (my personality has
really suffered from the work). I can DO it but it's that jack of all trades
thing. By 2002, most expert CF people couldn't get arrested. Unfortunately by
then I hadn't the money AND had no need to delegate as I'd figured it out by
then. ;-)
The job market is pretty bad for tech for some reason. It seems odd, we have
massive green card quotas to bring techs in from india and many other countries,
because allegedly we haven't got the people here in country, but you could have
fooled me--I see plenty of them and most of them are hungry. PJ
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#3437
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2003 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Karl on DAT docsavagebill
Hi Karl,
Thanks for the info on DAT, I wasn't sure either. But
if it is true then all the RV activity now going on is
USING UP all the potential psychic ability out there
so we had better put a stop to it!...G
Bill
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Omigosh! That's hilarious! Karl he's got a point--same logic you're using
there, LOL! Now every time I view, I'll be stealing psi from some poor sap
who'll have NO IDEA that train is coming. ROFL! PJ
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#3449
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 8:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: Karl on DAT kboyken
Bill and PJ, hey, now I have the ultimate excuse for my sessions! Thanks!!!
(Maybe this explains the Ed Dames phenomenon, too?)
Karl
> Thanks for the info on DAT, I wasn't sure either. But if it is true then all
> the RV activity now going on is USING UP all the potential psychic ability
> out there so we had better put a stop to it!...G
> -------------------- Omigosh! That's hilarious! Karl he's got a
> point--same logic you're using there, LOL! Now every time I view, I'll be
> stealing psi from some poor sap who'll have NO IDEA that train is coming.
> ROFL! PJ
--
Karl Boyken
kboyken...net
http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken/
We dance 'round in a ring and suppose,
while the Secret sits in the middle and knows.
--Robert Frost
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#3415
From: Timelord2029...
Date: Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups psitrooper24
> glyn wrote
> Incidentally, how many RVers out there do
> computer-based stuff as a living?
> Interesting.
Microsoft Tech Support eng (applications)
Peace,
Tunde
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#3431
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:52 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups kboyken
The Indian software industry is large and steadily growing. Very few US
citizens pursue a CS degree beyond a BS. The grad students here in the
CS department I work for are primarily (I'd say 80%, maybe even 90%)
Indian and Chinese. We're exporting our expertise. I'm not sure, but I
suspect that it's becoming cheaper to export projects overseas, too.
Karl
> The job market is pretty bad for tech for some reason. It seems odd,
> we have massive green card quotas to bring techs in from india and
> many other countries, because allegedly we haven't got the people
> here in country, but you could have fooled me--I see plenty of them
> and most of them are hungry. PJ
--
Karl Boyken
mailto:kboyken...net
http://www.avalon.net/~kboyken
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#3433
From: "Nita Hickok"
Date: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups nitahickok
Hi Fortune
I had my husband tell me-You don't know how to iron the first
month we were together. He was really arrogant about it. I opened my
mouth to tell him I was the best person at ironing in my whole
family. I was the only one that did it for everyone. I then had a
little voice say to me-You fool-shut up that way he will do all the
ironing. I consider it my guardian angel and am happy I listened to
it. It took him 5 years to find out I knew how to iron.
Nita
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Must be a method innate to all women. Lu cooked off and on for five years and I
don't think he ever knew I knew anything about it. :-) PJ
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#3444
From: Karl Boyken
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 9:06 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups kboyken
Hey now, you think guys don't use this, too? "You're right, dear, I really
don't know how to change a diaper. You're so good at it. I'll just go watch a
ball game and get out of your way."
Karl
> It took him 5 years to find out I knew how to iron.
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#3446
From: Bill Pendragon
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 1:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups docsavagebill
> Must be a method innate to all women.
HI PJ, Actually I think men are way ahead in general
on this one..G
Bill
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#3435
From: Timelord2029...
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups psitrooper24
In a message dated 30/06/2003 03:54:40 GMT Daylight Time, kboyken...net
writes:
> The Indian software industry is large and steadily growing. Very few US
> citizens pursue a CS degree beyond a BS. The grad students here in the
> CS department I work for are primarily (I'd say 80%, maybe even 90%)
> Indian and Chinese. We're exporting our expertise. I'm not sure, but I
> suspect that it's becoming cheaper to export projects overseas, too.
>
> Karl
>
>
Yep same here...
microsoft UK are shifting their tech support to india...soon i will be
shifted too:
..shifted to the local job center :-))
Peace,
Tunde
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#3442
From: Weatherly-Hawaii...m
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2003 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: PJ Sessions list, Groups maliolana
Aloha guys,
From the news program I saw months ago...The people from
India/China/etc....are being paid relatively pennies on the dollar ...
as compared
to American/European workers...for the same work...they receive
very few/to none... perks...
They are also easier in the demands dept...less com-laints...or I imagine
health care...Lots easier for the corporations...
Love & Light & Laughter
Mali'o...aka...Dawna
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
society."
-- Krishnamurti
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